Dave_B

Perhaps it's because so much Nissan/Infiniti BS is spread amongst this forum. Threads like this are a prime example.

Dave_B

Please, a stock VQ DE only makes about 220-230wtq. That's not whole lot more than the 3.2 in the TL. RWD makes no difference from a roll and most G/Z drivers get low 2.2-2.3 60 foots just like most 6MT TL drivers.

rockstar143

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I wonder how much hp I'm making with my mods...

Ruby

anything can happen guys. I beat an auto 07 Z with my car by almost 2 car lengths at the track and I have the video to prove it.

dgsedan06

This thread is turning into a G/Z vs. TL argument lol Maybe we should all meet up and run each other somewhere.

F23A4

Meh, the thread was set up this way from the get-go. Anyway, I suppose I'm already sizing up a QX to run my MDX against.

Rick_TL-S

You're not exactly innocent yourself with your claims in the past regarding these cars, either.

Dave_B

How so? I can post dynos, links to timeslips, and track videos to support my argument. It's easy because G/Z owners actually take their cars to the strip. I also disregard timeslips of all-out bests of G/Zs running at fast tracks. It skews the data and is not representative as a whole.

I'm not here to be the Nissan/Infiniti police. I just call BS when I see it. I don't care if it's a guy beating a G35 or a guy claiming he smoked an E92 M3 in his auto 05 TL. Unfortunately, G/Zs seem to be the car of choice of TL owners to want to race and that's what gets posted here. So when I post up, I am automatically painted as the G/Z nutswinger. So be it.

Oddly, I've rarely come up against a TL on the street that wants to run. It wouldn't matter anyways because I don't race on the street because it's pointless and most importantly, stupid. I have raced TLs and TLS' at the strip though. The claims I read about on this site don't hold up. I'll leave it at that.

Aman

You can race any car, and if the driver doesn't know what he's doing that opens the door for all sorts of ridiculous claims. Everyone here already knows how pointless it is to compare 1/4 mile times because of all the different factors involved in getting those times.

I'd bet good money that if OP and his opponent(s) owned each others' cars, the races would've had different outcomes.

Rick_TL-S

By always coming into threads like these & posting about how the Nissan/G should have done, or how the TL should have lost.
Half the time it's posting time slips & other shit in a thread that concerns roll racing from 40/60/whatever speeds.

To get straight to the point, any time there's a TL vs. Z/G thread, you almost always post that the TL should have lost or is incapable of what was claimed. You bullshit just as much as the people you claim in this section do. So, it's obvious you only stick around the TL's racing forum just to troll like a silly Nissan nutswinger.

justnspace

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i actually like dave.
he sizes up opponents for me.

I dont doubt that the G is the faster car.

Rick_TL-S

I don't doubt it either, but he brings up these time slips in threads that regard cars that either have I/E or full bolt ons versus cars of other varying mods. As said, most of the races in this forum are from rolls, where let's be honest, a 1/4 mile time isn't going to hold too much weight. There's a 540whp Civic here that has a hard time getting down the strip b/c the driver just can't get the car to hook, but should he run from a 40 & up roll, it just decimates most of what it encounters. This the discussion also took place in the TL vs. Evo/STi threads where running them from a dig vs. running them from a roll could change the outcome significantly.

I'm half surprised he doesn't go into Sonnick's threads claiming he shouldn't be winning the races he does, but then again, driver skill (as with this thread) is something Dave doesn't seem to take into account either.

F23A4

I have absolutely no problem with Dave's posts. So long as he continues to post respectfully and does not act callously with the facts (i.e.: lie) then I've no problem with his counterpoints.

Honestly, there is an underlying anti-Nissan/Infiniti bias on Azine and it's existed for over a decade, predating many currently active members. From arguments about the cheap built quality of Nissan products to claims that they're just plain ugly, the bias comes on a bit much. (I can't even being to describe the number of time I've rolled my eyes at those stupid 'but the Nissan GT-R is ugly' comments posted in Car Talk.) NOTE: I've ONLY owned Nissan and Honda products since 1999 so, I don't have any particular bias one way or the other. I love my 09 MDX and loved my old 05 Murano; same deal with my old 07 AV6 and 02 Maxima.

As for the OP, I wont question his margin of victory. I've done quite a bit of head scratching while watching a ton of races over the years where the results were not what I'd expected. So while I would think that the cars he raced against should have beaten him (not vice versa), I'm not compelled to post a counterpoint. However, if someone else wishes to do so (i.e.: Dave B) then, I have no qualms about it...so long as it's not beligerent and is respectful.

justnspace

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^and Dave is coming off very diplomatic.

DisgustipatedAP1

No, because I'm not comparing times with other SoCal drivers at the strip, I have people in other states who have no idea how this particular drag strip performs asking me to post up slips from a track that's far behind 99% of the strips in the USA. It wouldn't be equal because this is the Internet, people would go and find the times from the best tracks and everything would be skewed.

Haven't dynoed yet.

Gotta love the 'bench racing' with numbers game. My TL weighs approximately 170-190~ less than a bone stock TL the way I set it up to race. I was also on Nitto NT05 255mm's which have a TON of grip, not sure what the other guy had but his tires were NOWHERE near as good as mine. As far as I know he could've been making 250-260whp, which would put him in line with my guesstimated #'s.

Almost 200 lbs the way it's set to race. I'd guess I'm putting down 250-260 whp. I don't think I was exaggerating the extent of my wins, as both the Z + G and I had passengers in our cars when we raced. Both agreed that it was 3 cars on the Z and 5-6~ cars on the G. They didn't let off until I hit the brakes.

I've got more mods than you, as Sonnick said.

I've got full bolt-ons, no tune.

Lol, I know. So confusing. 'his sig says full bolt-ons... he only has CAI and exhaust!'

Dude, PLEASE. Fontana is one of THE worst tracks in the country, WTF are you smoking? It runs UPHILL for god's sake. Bolt-on/tuned Evo's run high 13's and 14's there! Most cars are a good 0.5-0.8s slower than the national average there.

Uh, you realize that the VQ35 LOSES power with the wrong mods, right? It's a very sensitive engine. You act as if this guy had all of the best mods or something. Also, a 6MT TL has far better gearing than a 5AT G35... I noticed in 3rd and 4th gear I really started putting the hurt on him.

My dyno argument is NOT flawed; I stated that it'd be like comparing the worst dynos to the best. It's absolutely irrelevant that Shawn Church's high-reading dyno is located in SoCal.

So what you're saying is that a TL could totally take a G or Z from a roll or a dig? I agree.

justnspace

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you've only got a catback on me and CAI.
where as you have an older designed jpipe and are using a race pipe.
and high flow cats.

you're probably making ~10 horses more than i am.
I've dyno'd.
hurry up and dyno yours.

you are lighter than I am.
care to share what you took out?

Aman

Go to a proper dyno and come back with a proper slip, and we'll shut up.

vhtran

Amen!

rockstar143

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i wonder if my car is making horsepower.

justnspace

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J, your car is making -987frorearhp.

DisgustipatedAP1

Of course. I run 3-4 gallons of gas when I go out to the meets, that's roughly 80-90 lbs less than a full curb weight TL. My rims weigh 5 ls~ less each than stock, so there's 20 lbs. 3rd cat is deleted, precats are removed and replaced, no more heavy OEM resonator and mufflers,drained my windshield washer fluid (no point to keeping it, I wash my windows anually), spare tire + toolkit removed, stock airbix + all crap i removed.

I'm about to put in an 11 lb battery and switch to RPF1's (they weigh about 4 lbs less per wheel than the NT03+M), and will also switch to slightly lighter tires.

Nothing else I could reasonably remove after that unless I want too be like Inaccurate, riding around in a loud, noisy gutted car... but that's essentially what an S2000 is so it's redundant.

Comparing dyno numbers is pointless unless they're completely SAE corrected or done on the same dynos with sameish variables. If I dyno it'll be near sea level and epending on how the dyno reads, might give me inflated numbers.

I should go dyno at church's though for laughs. 300 whp, here I come.

justnspace

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you can take out some anchors and dampers to get you even lighter.

DisgustipatedAP1

I don't have the front vibration dampener, I looked for it for 20 mins until I read that the 6MT doesn't have it. What other dampeners and anchors are worth taking out without really compromising anything?

And with luck, I should have a line on getting dirt cheap OEM Braille lightweight batteries for anyone that wants them, in 11 lb, 15 lb, and 20 lb variants. Big, big weight reduction over the heavy normal battery.

justnspace

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yeah, lucky us 6MT'ers.

there's a trunk weight.
and a glove box weight.

i took out my 5mph front and rear bumpers.

have you done the TB coolant relocate?

paperboy42190

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hey riley we should set up another race sometime...i'd probably lose but it should be a good comparison for ppl in this thread. also u can see what difference your mods have made.

DaChef320

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man ill get my Fiat 500 and smoke everyone in here

swoosh

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again with the "I have full bolt ons"...I think you do exaggerate...

Do you have ported and polished manifold + runners ?
Is your TB bored out ?
Do you have a TB spacer and thermal gaskets ?
Are you running a light weight pulley ?
Do you have engine mounts ?
How about an engine damper ?
Or how about a short shifter ?

If any of the answers are no...your far from "fully bolted on"...you just have an Intake and Exhaust mods....the reason I mentioned all these mods is to tell you, you can make your car quicker....

erick3

maybe slightly exaggerated, but i still believe it. i had the opportunity to run a stock 2007 350Z in my fully bolted on 5AT TL. I had a car length on HER the entire bit from 0-80. doesn't surprise me the 6MT did that bit of damage.

too bad you're not local. i'd give you a run for your money for sure lol

erick3

For fun:

Note: Exhaust leak + pre-tune + pre-4.083 fd gearing.
edit: i have no idea what mods were on the car at the moment. for sure exhaust w/ leak + cai; tps - no idea -- gears - probably not -- tune - definitely not. lol sorry

paperboy42190

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everyone just keep in mind that just because one car beat another does not mean that car will beat ALL of the same cars. sometimes ppl dont shift well or perhaps a car wasnt properly maintained, we'll never know. however a win is a win for that race no matter how you put it.

a tl might beat a g35 one day but might lose another, all depends on the conditions. sometimes even in the same conditions, it doesnt always perform the same. you're assuming that an engine is built 100% perfect and produces exact results each time.

Dave_B

From a roll? Absolutely, especially if we're talking about basically stock TL 6MT and G/Z. From a dig, the G/Z will probably be more consistent at coming off the line, but it can be close if the TL driver doesn't get too greedy in 1st gear.

However, even with your relatively basic mods I don't see a 6MT TL putting 110' by 120mph on a bolt-on 5AT G when you bogged the launch and hit the limiter in 3rd. Those two mistakes are easily worth 0.5 seconds in a 1/4 mile run. The stock geared 5AT G/Z cars aren't as strong past 110mph as the 6MT cars, but they're not that weak.

Same goes for the Z. You said full bolt-ons. A full bolt-on, which to me means headers, catback, plenum mods, tuning, and possibly gears DE Z is a lower 13 car at 106mph+ and in some rare cases, a 12 second car. Bolt-on TLs don't see those kinds of ets or mphs. It's not even the same ball game.

Rockstar21

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explain to me how a mid 14 second car stock, with added bolt-ons and sticky tires runs mid 14's still?

so does that mean if i add an Intake, Jpipe, Cat back exhaust and some good tires.. my accord which can run 14.5 stock.. will still run 14.5?

vhtran

^ could be w/o tuning

Rockstar21

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without a tune the car would still have a signifigant increase in power... the tires alone would make a difference in time.

a tune just gives you the full effect/potential of your mods...

vhtran

So, what you are saying is that whenever you strap something on that's considered "performance part" you will gain power automatically?

Sonnick

I think what he's saying is that most of the parts for us have been proven to make power. Based on these facts, one would assume adding any of them would make power, yes. Depending on setup, numbers will be different. Some exhausts flow better than others, as do intakes, etc, so the numbers will always be different. Not to mention the fact that people dyno 3,000 miles apart, which is obviously another variable.

Rockstar21

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1? no

several?.. absolutely.
especially since they are proven as sonnick said. people would not buy them if they did nothing.

vhtran

Sonnick I understood your statement.

About single part gains. According to members in here and I would assume (Honda/Acura) will gain hp on an intake (not the G/Z) but then you piece a whole bunch of them together and will always gaining? What I am trying to say here is that lets say your intake yields 5hp, exhaust system gives you another 10hp, then few more parts which none of them will rob a few hp from that 15hp of the intake and exhaust? In some case it would crap out your car's performance as well. I doubt it w/o a new map for the ECU.

Dave_B

Because everyone thinks they're John Force until they get that timeslip and realize the car isn't as fast as they thought.

rockstar143

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jstnspace, glad you got what I was saying...