Well...if OP is doing this from scratch anyway...virtually any time you install a clutch with a heavier plate than stock (more clamp load), you should bypass the clutch interlock.
It takes a few mins. You splice into the factory clutch interlock switch wires and install a push button switch. That way, you don't have to push in the clutch pedal to start the car. But the push button prevents completely accidental starting of the car. You still gotta remember to take it out of gear...but having to push the button should remind you. Easier than replacing the engine. Its also good practice (with any clutch) to only push the pedal when you need to shift. Don't hold it in at stoplights, etc. Consider this more with a heavier clamp load clutch. |
Originally Posted by BROlando
(Post 16164368)
A flywheel will not change your shift feel.
The stock clutch, however, does feel like shit, I'll admit. In my experience, it engages like...right off the floorboard. Like driving a tractor from 1867 or something. If it engaged in the middle of travel like a modern car, I think it would be easier to drive. Or maybe the car I drove just needed a pushrod adjustment. No idea if there are any decent clutches available. This question is a bit far out. But do any NSX components swap over? I was thinking a little while back how i like exactly where the TL engages vs the modern cars, which engage so high. |
Originally Posted by teh CL
(Post 16142514)
I just finished a J35A6 swap (05' Odyssey EX) in my 05' 6spd that I just picked up & it's literally a direct drop in. :thumbsup:
to the J35A6 without replacing the pistons due to not enough valve relief. So, if one was to find say a J35A6 Oddy short block and transplant the rods, pistons and heads from a J35A3 RL motor, I'm thinking the result would be a 290 HP bolt in motor for the 2004-2006 TLs with the J32A3. Yes, no? |
Just to clarify things & to make sure we're all on the same page, the J35A3 is out of a 01-02' MDX, the J35A8 is out of the 05-08 RL/07-08 TL-S. We want nothing to do with the J35A3.
I did some digging & your best bet is still a complete J35A6. The J35A6 & the 04-06 J32A3 share the same: - Cylinder heads (12100-RDJ-305) - Exhaust/Intake valves (14721-P8E-A00/14711-P8E-A00) - Exhaust/Intake springs (14762-P8E-A02/14761-P8E-A02) - Cams (14100-RGL-A00/14200-RGL-A00) Not gonna lie, didn't see the cams being the same :rofl: With that said, there would be no reason to swap heads at all unless you wanted to upgrade to the better flowing/higher lift RL/TL-S heads/cams. The only "downside" to the J35A6 is that the compression ratio is 10:1 vs 11:1 in the J32A3/J35A8. So the J35A6 wouldn't make as efficient power with mods compared to the higher compression motors but I don't think you'll be too far off that 290hp number. The J35A6 definitely isn't struggling to put power down, I can tell you that.. :whistle: |
^
:rofl: teh CL, keep up the good work.:thumbsup: It seems that 'cracks' are beginning to appear in the staunch 'non-convertible' engine swap veneer of horseshoez.:chuckle: |
Originally Posted by zeta
(Post 16175867)
^
:rofl: teh CL, keep up the good work.:thumbsup: It seems that 'cracks' are beginning to appear in the staunch 'non-convertible' engine swap veneer of horseshoez.:chuckle: |
Originally Posted by teh CL
(Post 16175850)
Just to clarify things & to make sure we're all on the same page, the J35A3 is out of a 01-02' MDX, the J35A8 is out of the 05-08 RL/07-08 TL-S. We want nothing to do with the J35A3.
2005-2008 RL -- 290 HP -- 256 Torque 2001-2002 MDX -- 240 HP -- 245 Torque The above said, I checked a different source and it says the 2005-2008 RL used a J35A8, this confirms what you wrote above.
Originally Posted by teh CL
(Post 16175850)
I did some digging & your best bet is still a complete J35A6. The J35A6 & the 04-06 J32A3 share the same:
- Cylinder heads (12100-RDJ-305) - Exhaust/Intake valves (14721-P8E-A00/14711-P8E-A00) - Exhaust/Intake springs (14762-P8E-A02/14761-P8E-A02) - Cams (14100-RGL-A00/14200-RGL-A00) Not gonna lie, didn't see the cams being the same :rofl: With that said, there would be no reason to swap heads at all unless you wanted to upgrade to the better flowing/higher lift RL/TL-S heads/cams. The only "downside" to the J35A6 is that the compression ratio is 10:1 vs 11:1 in the J32A3/J35A8. So the J35A6 wouldn't make as efficient power with mods compared to the higher compression motors but I don't think you'll be too far off that 290hp number. The J35A6 definitely isn't struggling to put power down, I can tell you that.. :whistle: Not at all sure I would ever do it, I have a pretty darn full schedule these days, maybe some day after I retire. :) |
There should be no reason that you couldn't hit those numbers since it would be a full out J35A8, just in a first generation J series block. Interesting idea no doubt.
Now would that be worth it? Absolutely not. Unless of course you'd be doing 100% of the work & tearing down/assembling a motor, plus manage to find parts for a decent price to warrant such a build. If your equipped/skilled to do that then all the power to you. If not & you still want to have that magical 290hp number, grab a cheap J35A8 & purchase a Type S clutch case (think they're like 300 new) to swap onto your 6spd trans. You'll definitely come out ahead price wise & won't have to deal with building a motor unless you REALLY want to. End of the day, it's a lot of work just to avoid a simple J35A6 swap. :cheers: |
Originally Posted by teh CL
(Post 16175898)
There should be no reason that you couldn't hit those numbers since it would be a full out J35A8, just in a first generation J series block. Interesting idea no doubt.
Now would that be worth it? Absolutely not. Unless of course you'd be doing 100% of the work & tearing down/assembling a motor, plus manage to find parts for a decent price to warrant such a build. If your equipped/skilled to do that then all the power to you but if not & you still want to have that magical 290hp number, grab a cheap J35A8 & purchase a Type S clutch case (think they're like 300 new) to swap onto your 6spd trans. You'll definitely come out ahead price wise & won't have to deal with building a motor unless you REALLY want to. End of the day, it's a lot of work just to avoid a simple J35A6 swap. :cheers: I figure I've got somewhere between five and twelve years before I retire depending on my job situation and my retirement funds, and I might start nosing around for parts over the next few years. :) Then again, time depending, switching to the J35A8 with a new clutch case might certainly be an option if I can find the right engine. :cheers: Back at'cha! |
Originally Posted by teh CL
(Post 16142514)
I just finished a J35A6 swap (05' Odyssey EX) in my 05' 6spd that I just picked up & it's literally a direct drop in. :thumbsup:
|
Fair to assume the 3.5 is supposed to rev lower than the 3.2? How high do you rev the engine to? |
Originally Posted by horseshoez
(Post 16083521)
All things considered, a 200,000 mile J32, assuming it was only moderately well maintained, is just barely broken in; unless there is something wrong with the motor, I'd leave it alone and drive it.
:chuckle: . . |
Originally Posted by TacoBello
(Post 16276478)
I'd be willing to contribute to a fund for you to have the car dyno'd just to see what numbers are put down. I'm shocked you can run the 3.2 ECU on the 3.5... I thought you'd have to use the corresponding ECU. I'm legitimately curious to see what kind of numbers you are putting down- this might be a worthwhile mod for folks to start doing!
Also, ZERO issues with the car since the swap was completed, ecu adjusted to the new motor like it was another day at the office.
Originally Posted by TacoBello
(Post 16276479)
Fair to assume the 3.5 is supposed to rev lower than the 3.2? How high do you rev the engine to? |
why not a 3.7 TL engine from a 2012 TL ?
|
Originally Posted by Chad05TL
(Post 16705545)
why not a 3.7 TL engine from a 2012 TL ?
For those that want to know.. if you have an 07-08 TL Base or Type S (auto or manual) you can use 1. J37A1 (07-09 MDX) Direct bolt-on 2. J37A1 (10-13 MDX). J37A2 (later gen RL), J37A4 (AWD TL), you'll have dual VTEC on the A2 and A4, but its not a complete bolt-on. you have to move some things from your old motor for it to work and you'll need 09-14 TL Pcds or cats 3. J35Z6 (Base 4th gen TL, V6 TSX), J35Z3 (08-12 Accord) you have to move some things from your old motor for it to work and you'll need 09-14 TL Pcds or cats |
is there a horsepower/torque difference between the J37A1 , J37A2 and J37A4 ??
|
here we go.
J37A1
J37A2
J37A4
|
uh oh.. look what I found.. bore it out, put on some low resistance lifters, and super charge.. and what else.. ? hmmm
maybe get rid of the Vtec and install your own custom system.. Just use the block. https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/pt...289219100.html |
Originally Posted by Chad05TL
(Post 16706804)
uh oh.. look what I found.. bore it out, put on some low resistance lifters, and super charge.. and what else.. ? hmmm
maybe get rid of the Vtec and install your own custom system.. Just use the block. https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/pt...289219100.html You wouldn't want to do anything else to the block. Just use it as is with bolt ons. If you want to boost it, it'll take it. Someone has thrown 14psi at a stock j37a1 and made 570whp |
the 3.2 has more HP? I think Acura has the 3.5 rated higher, right? Am I missing something..?
By the way, how do you know if your 3.2 is v1, v2 or v3?
Originally Posted by horseshoez
(Post 16083504)
A couple of comments:
|
Originally Posted by Chad05TL
(Post 16769017)
the 3.2 has more HP? I think Acura has the 3.5 rated higher, right? Am I missing something..?
By the way, how do you know if your 3.2 is v1, v2 or v3? The engines I believe I was referring to were the 2004-2006 vintage J32A3 compared to the J35A6 from the 2005-2006 EX and LX Odyssey minivans and/or the 2005 Pilot. Here are the published power numbers for the engines: J32: 2004 J32A3: 270/238 2005 J32A3: 270/238 2006 J32A3: 258/233 J35: 2005 J35A6: 255/250 2006 J35A6: 255/250 Regarding the published numbers, my understanding is the J32A3 was re-rated in 2006 (with no changes to the engine) to a more standard (ASE if I remember correctly) way of measuring the output; the J35A6 started out with the same measurement as the 2006 J32 used. Said another way, the J32A3 has a whopping 3 more horsepower and 17 less pound-feet of torque compared to the J35A6; my assumption here is the difference is due to the higher RPM redline for the J32. Then again, the anecdotal reports here and on other forums strongly suggest the J35A6 is more powerful than its rating. Final comment, the above engines all have the older engine to transmission interface; 2007 and 2008 J32A3 engines are virtually identical to the earlier vintages, except they have the newer transmission interface. |
This website says the 2007/8 J35 TL Type-S is 286hp / 256ft#
https://owners.acura.com/vehicles/information/2008/TL/specs?src=specs#mid^UA7668KW |
Originally Posted by Chad05TL
(Post 16769067)
This website says the 2007/8 J35 TL Type-S is 286hp / 256ft#
https://owners.acura.com/vehicles/information/2008/TL/specs?src=specs#mid^UA7668KW |
Originally Posted by horseshoez
(Post 16769069)
The 2007-2008 TL Type-S uses a J35A8 engine, an engine which does not easily bolt into the 2004-2006 cars; different transmission interface. If you want to easily swap to a J35 into one of the older 3G TLs the only option is a J35A6 which has the power numbers I quoted above.
|
subframe has nothing to do with it...
bellhousing bolt pattern |
Originally Posted by 619rcr
(Post 16769104)
subframe has nothing to do with it...
bellhousing bolt pattern you know the real problem with upgrading from J32A3 to the J35A8 ? It's simply not worth it for the gains. Its better to just buy a different car.. $8000 https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pt...399398262.html |
yeah sure, get another more expensive car if you want. i spent too much on my 6MT tls, it's really not that fast in stock form. My project 6ga with supercharged 1st gen j32a2, blows away the type s performance wise, even with over 225k miles. I also have a j35a8 motor that eventually I will put to use either to upgrade the 6GA or as a refresh for the TLS.
|
Originally Posted by Chad05TL
(Post 16769107)
all he said is that it does not bolt on easily to the 2004-2006 cars. I already know about the transmission. So I assume he means the engine mounts.. and maybe the tranny mounts too, since the tranny is different..
you know the real problem with upgrading from J32A3 to the J35A8 ? It's simply not worth it for the gains. Its better to just buy a different car.. $8000 https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pt...399398262.html
Originally Posted by horseshoez
(Post 16769055)
Final comment, the above engines all have the older engine to transmission interface; 2007 and 2008 J32A3 engines are virtually identical to the earlier vintages, except they have the newer transmission interface.
Originally Posted by horseshoez
(Post 16769069)
The 2007-2008 TL Type-S uses a J35A8 engine, an engine which does not easily bolt into the 2004-2006 cars; different transmission interface. If you want to easily swap to a J35 into one of the older 3G TLs the only option is a J35A6 which has the power numbers I quoted above.
|
Well ok.. but you did say this, then semicolon; addlib.. but if the bell housing doesnt fit, then it wont work AT ALL. It's not: "easily doesnt quite bolt on". Haha so I would have reworded that statement because I'm a genius of course.
Originally Posted by horseshoez;16769069 Type-S uses a J35A8 engine, [b
an engine which does not easily bolt into the 2004-2006 cars; different transmission interface. I.
|
I already know about the transmission as I said above... but you did say this, then semicolon; addlib.. but if the bell housing doesnt fit, then it wont work AT ALL.
It's not: "easily doesnt quite bolt on". Haha The transmission and the "car" is not the same thing. Can you even replace the engine without pulling the transmission too? Its all 1 unit. not like those old GM's. But I never done it. So I dont know so I would have reworded that statement because I'm a genius of course.
Originally Posted by horseshoez
(Post 16769069)
The 2007-2008 TL Type-S uses a J35A8 engine, an engine which does not easily bolt into the 2004-2006 cars; different transmission interface. If you want to easily swap to a J35 into one of the older 3G TLs the only option is a J35A6 which has the power numbers I quoted above.
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:25 AM. |
© 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands