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Old 05-06-2010, 05:15 PM
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2010 Mustang GT/MT vs 02 TLS

A little Mustang fun . . this is a 2010 Mustang GT with manual tranny. I know the guy pretty good and he's seasoned drag racer and beats other GTs, so this time there is no saying that maybe the guy couldn't drive. So what was the outcome? Well from a 30mph start he got the jump, but it didn't matter as the TL stuck right with him all the way through 2nd gear. The car rags have the manual running 13.6 sec in the 1/4 mile at 104mph. This is interesting as I was thinking might have a shot to hit high 13s, and on top of it . . . my car still isn't running right, so once it's fixed and if I can get some traction off the line . . . I can't wait to get to the track and see what kind of numbers I can lay down. 13s??

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I think he'll still take you.
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wow whats mods do u have on ur 2g? That pretty impressive that u stood with a New Mustang GT.
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Originally Posted by princelybug
I think he'll still take you.
Ah, he didn't take me . . . it was neck and neck . . he just got the jump and got a fender on me before I jumped on it, and he never gained any ground on me . . . so with the car fixed I'm pretty sure I'd slowly pull him . . heck I've already beaten a 550i without the fixes and hung with a Jeep SRT8, so I'm definately hanging with the mid 13sec crowd . . at least from a punch.

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Old 05-06-2010, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Yonkers914
wow whats mods do u have on ur 2g? That pretty impressive that u stood with a New Mustang GT.
02 WDP TLS Black Interior w/ Black Grill Inserts & Cleared Headlights
**1/4mile 14.46 @96.07MPH – 14.23 corrected; (45-70mph test - 3.5 secs)
17x7 Konig Appeals SMF – 18.2lbs each
P225/45ZR-17 Sumitomo HRT AS P01- (Kumho Ecsta SPTs for track)
CT Icebox, Custom RamAir, CT Sways & Springs
3nd Gen Innovative Motor Mounts – Front (w/black bushings) & Side Only
Bored out Intake & TBs, Mugen Cooling Mods & Thermoblok
Ceramic Coated XS Headers & Random-Tech Hiflow CAT, Custom 2.5”
CAT Back exhaust with Vibrant 1145 Mufflers
NEO Anti Freeze & 5w-20 oil w/Militec-1
Tranny #3 Installed 11.17.2008

Note** (1/4 mile time before headers, Hi-flow CAT, Custom Exhaust,
Vibrant Mufflers, IMMs, Bored out full Intake & TBs)

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"Tranny #3 Installed"
LMAO not in bad way though i had a 2g before also . dam Trannies!!

Note** (1/4 mile time before headers, Hi-flow CAT, Custom Exhaust,
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wow ur car is quick and tastfully modded!! WHen u ran the 14.2 did u also trap at 96mph? Im assuming ur 60' is pretty dam good lol
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This is weird considering a supercharged 3g barely beat a stock 550
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Originally Posted by notbrant
This is weird considering a supercharged 3g barely beat a stock 550
and that was a 6MT TL SC vs a 6MT 550i! RUF has a 5AT.

To tell you the truth I am very suprised. I know the TL-S with those mods is a quick ride but I have seen a 02-03 TL-S with I/H/E/P trap 101MPH so RUF has a pretty good selection of mods and maybe from a roll its just a beast! off the line I see the Mustang pulling hard but in reality they only have 305HP and aren't that strong from a roll.
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Originally Posted by SatinSilverAV6
and that was a 6MT TL SC vs a 6MT 550i! RUF has a 5AT.

To tell you the truth I am very suprised. I know the TL-S with those mods is a quick ride but I have seen a 02-03 TL-S with I/H/E/P trap 101MPH so RUF has a pretty good selection of mods and maybe from a roll its just a beast! off the line I see the Mustang pulling hard but in reality they only have 305HP and aren't that strong from a roll.
I forgot to mention the 6.0 GTO I pulled . . . I had two 3rd gen TL witnesses to that one.

Launching is a real problem . . . lot's of tire spin if I launch hard. And yes, it's always been pretty strong from a roll . . . especially if I'm close to VTEC kicking in. As for mods, one area that is not given enough attention is the air intake . . . it's a key factor as the more air an engine can take in the more power it can make. Our intakes are fairly restrictive, so I bored out the entire intake and port matched all the runners. This includes boring out all the throttle bodies and everything else connected to it. The last piece is the ram-air feeding the whole thing . . nothing really special, but it's one more piece of the entire intake system. There are no real bottlenecks anywhere, except the flex couplings, which will be fixed sometime soon.

I'll see if I can get some video showing the speedo as I'm running it through the gears. Now to find an easy to use video camera.

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you got lucky on that SRT-8 you ran across was stock... good run none-the-less

they have a pretty big modding community and i've seen numerous ones run 11's and 12's with pretty basic modding, they guy that lives near me runs 11's on street tires.. i think i've even seen a few vids of them running 10's.
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Originally Posted by Rockstar21
you got lucky on that SRT-8 you ran across was stock... good run none-the-less

they have a pretty big modding community and i've seen numerous ones run 11's and 12's with pretty basic modding, they guy that lives near me runs 11's on street tires.. i think i've even seen a few vids of them running 10's.
Those things will practically jump into the air from a dead stop when they're heavily modded.

And as far as the Mustangs go, some of them really aren't all that. I was actually trapping 1-2 mph higher than an '08 MT at the track and I have an '06 6MT with intake/J pipe/3rd cat delete and Excelerate cat-back.

Watch out for the 2011 models though, I think like 412 hp from the V8 and around 310 for the V6, but they'll be lighter than, and hence beat the Camaros. Supposedly, the V6 will be a solid mid 13 second car.

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Originally Posted by RUF87
I forgot to mention the 6.0 GTO I pulled . . . I had two 3rd gen TL witnesses to that one.

Ruf
I love the 2g TL-S and you definitely have a strong running TL-S, but a well driven 6.0 GTO (auto or manual) should easily hit mid 13s or better--Im surprised you pulled one.

Good luck with your TL-S.
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Originally Posted by Rockstar21
you got lucky on that SRT-8 you ran across was stock... good run none-the-less

they have a pretty big modding community and i've seen numerous ones run 11's and 12's with pretty basic modding, they guy that lives near me runs 11's on street tires.. i think i've even seen a few vids of them running 10's.
Yes, it was a friend of mines and it was stock. I've seen some crazy times as well. And stock he would have left me spinning my wheels . . . and never to catch up.

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so crazy how some 2g's pull way harder than others.
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nice keep it up, hopefully you'll get it fixed and running at 100% .
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Nice. You should probably be trapping in the 102+ range with some of these encounters. The 09-10 GT is definitely quick. The NEW GT with the 5.0 is just fast. I think mags got 12.8 out of it @109. One of those will roast us...Even the V6 is as fast as the old V8
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Originally Posted by RUF87
I forgot to mention the 6.0 GTO I pulled . . . I had two 3rd gen TL witnesses to that one.
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a well driven 6.0 GTO (auto or manual) should easily hit mid 13s or better--Im surprised you pulled one.
Yeah those 6.0 GTOs are 107-109+ trapping roll monsters bone stock. Even the autos. I'm pretty surprised you were so close with a 2010 stang, but beat the GTO since the stang is a good bit slower. Not calling BS, just pointing out that your car is a bit faster than you think or the GTO was having issues.

You may even beat me at the track, since I'm normally neck and neck with the LS2 GTOs. At the local 1/8th mile they tend to run 8.3-8.7@83-85 (depending on driver) stock and I have been varying from 8.2 to 8.5@84-86. The LS1 ones are 8.7-9.0@80-83 cars, though, and that's around equal to a '10 GT mustang.

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RUF I know your car is quick....and don't take this the wrong way. But you ran a 14.4 @96. Yes, before headers, exhaust, HFC, bored TB and intake. But, those mods are not gonna give you 10mph in the 1/4, or anywhere close. For you to pull on a 6.0 LS1 GTO is, well...interesting. I'm not saying you didn't, but it's strange when you trapped 96 for you to be keeping even with the 2010 GT and pulling an LS2 GTO, AT or MT. The GTOs should beat SC TL 6MTs, even in stock form.

Headers does a lot for the TL-s, the throttle body should help a good bit too. I'd estimate you trapping around the 102mph range. So, any of those races could have been close on the street. Go back to the track please.
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Originally Posted by Sonnick
RUF I know your car is quick....and don't take this the wrong way. But you ran a 14.4 @96. Yes, before headers, exhaust, HFC, bored TB and intake. But, those mods are not gonna give you 10mph in the 1/4, or anywhere close. For you to pull on a 6.0 LS1 GTO is, well...interesting. I'm not saying you didn't, but it's strange when you trapped 96 for you to be keeping even with the 2010 GT and pulling an LS2 GTO, AT or MT. The GTOs should beat SC TL 6MTs, even in stock form.

Headers does a lot for the TL-s, the throttle body should help a good bit too. I'd estimate you trapping around the 102mph range. So, any of those races could have been close on the street. Go back to the track please.
I agree . . it's pretty crazy considering the last set of cars that are/should be technically faster . . 550i, 650i, Jeep SRT8 and now a 2010 GT. As for the mods, I've worked on optimizing all the mods . . . port matching, ceramic coating, etc . . . it's not a lot, but having built my own engines and stuff as far back as 1979, well I'm a believer in a lot of that. My first engine was a small block Chevy with a T350 tranny and it would turn 7,800-8,000 RPM in 1st and 2nd gear . . this was a daily driver back then and ran it for 8 years. Oh well, it'll be interesting to see what it'll do at the track . . . oh, that 14.4 was done with extreme wheel hop, which is also now fixed, so it'll be interesting.

Oh, my friend in the GT said he was impressed with my car keeping up . . . he even wants to give me a rematch.

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Originally Posted by RUF87
I agree . . it's pretty crazy considering the last set of cars that are/should be technically faster . . 550i, 650i, Jeep SRT8 and now a 2010 GT. As for the mods, I've worked on optimizing all the mods . . . port matching, ceramic coating, etc . . . it's not a lot, but having built my own engines and stuff as far back as 1979, well I'm a believer in a lot of that. My first engine was a small block Chevy with a T350 tranny and it would turn 7,800-8,000 RPM in 1st and 2nd gear . . this was a daily driver back then and ran it for 8 years. Oh well, it'll be interesting to see what it'll do at the track . . . oh, that 14.4 was done with extreme wheel hop, which is also now fixed, so it'll be interesting.

Oh, my friend in the GT said he was impressed with my car keeping up . . . he even wants to give me a rematch.

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Nice! Now try to get it on film .

14.4 @96mph sounds about right. If you didn't get good traction, maybe you could've pulled a lower 14.2 or so. The trap speed and ET both sound like they match pretty well.

I know headers are good for about 20+whp on the TL-s, that alone should drop 2 tenths off your time. You should be sitting pretty in the high 13s I'd expect.

You're right, the key is having the parts work collectively so they can be most efficient. Just having a PnP intake manifold (like me lol) will not be as effective as if the lower intake runners and TB are port matched and ported as well.

Get back to the track!!!
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Impressive! Any dyno figures with those mods?
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Is it possible that you were racing a LS1 GTO? They tend to run from low 13s up to bottom 14s @102-105 mph bone stock, and that would certainly be a race for you and you'd probably pull on a A4 or so-so driven M6. The LS2 ones are considerably faster.
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Originally Posted by ts_vaj
Impressive! Any dyno figures with those mods?
Haven't done one since the initial baseline . . which was . . . well poor but in line with most everyone else with a 198hp at the wheels.

Once I get everything fixed I do want to get one, but it'll be a bit as I still have new brakes, struts and a rear main leak that needs to be fixed first.

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Originally Posted by Slow03Maxima
Is it possible that you were racing a LS1 GTO? They tend to run from low 13s up to bottom 14s @102-105 mph bone stock, and that would certainly be a race for you and you'd probably pull on a A4 or so-so driven M6. The LS2 ones are considerably faster.
Oh it definately was a LS1 . . and I agree a LS2 would be a different race . . . unless the driver and or car sucked.

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Originally Posted by RUF87
Oh it definately was a LS1 . . and I agree a LS2 would be a different race . . . unless the driver and or car sucked.

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Oh well that makes way more sense! The LS1 GTO is a 5.7L, you were saying 6.0 earlier in the thread which is a LS2.
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