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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 08:15 AM
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Yes... Very

I went out and tried my key and it goes in right up to plastic.

Chad...

Is the blank on the SB Key longer? Lay your key on top with it rotated 180. Maybe there's enough room.
07: 1.855"
05: 1.794"

The picture below isn't very good, but you can see that the lengths of the actual shafts (or whatever the correct key terminology is) are the same length. The difference is made by the 07 blank's ridges at the base of the shaft.



I'm going to tear one of mine apart this weekend, I just haven't had time during the week. I hadn't thought about the "slope" of the key head before and I will verify it.

For those maybe not following, as triggle pointed out, the 04-06 cylinder indent is concave, the 04-06 key head (plastic part) is convex...so they fit like this: ((
The 07 key head is flat so they may not fit like this: (|

JKautosport: you mentioned grinding down the key tip to fit into the SB casing. Was this done so you could ensure that the key itself was long enough?
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 09:18 AM
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FLBusa, i havent been this excited since i got my car. Thank you for takig the time to do this, i hope all this hard work pays off for you also interms of some marginal profits.

I have a few questions, can you or anyone who knows answer them? Now i know FL is probably busy with many other things in his life routine and i know he's just started to get going with this mod. Im not expecting miracles here as if the keys will be ready tomorrow or something.

1) Whats your schedule like? Meaning, when do you plan on getting keys completed?
2) Have you decided on a final price?
3) Will you ship to Canada? :-)
4) What exactly will we be receiving if this was to go through?
5) Will the key be already cut and everything or do we need to go to a home depot? Sorry if this is a novice question, im not car savvy at all.
6) What will i have to do once i receive the key and the switch blade?


Im as excited as anyone here, i hope this goes through and like i said i hope FL gets some profits for doing all this for us. Id appreciate some answers is anyone can answer them, and good luck to everyone involved.
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 09:18 AM
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wow this thread is going and going.. i get a lil confused now...
has anyone with 3G TL MY04-06 completed the mod?
i know the RSX guy completed.
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by carpecervisi
07: 1.855"
05: 1.794"

The picture below isn't very good, but you can see that the lengths of the actual shafts (or whatever the correct key terminology is) are the same length. The difference is made by the 07 blank's ridges at the base of the shaft.



I'm going to tear one of mine apart this weekend, I just haven't had time during the week. I hadn't thought about the "slope" of the key head before and I will verify it.

For those maybe not following, as triggle pointed out, the 04-06 cylinder indent is concave, the 04-06 key head (plastic part) is convex...so they fit like this: ((
The 07 key head is flat so they may not fit like this: (|

JKautosport: you mentioned grinding down the key tip to fit into the SB casing. Was this done so you could ensure that the key itself was long enough?

Chad... Thanks Bud.

.060 isn't much but it's better to have a little bit of something than a whole lot of nothing. It may be enough but we'll still have to test.
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 09:33 AM
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OK... For those that are interested in getting a 2007 Folding Key...

Assuming everything works out...

I'm going to buy 10 keys at first and machine them so that they are ready to be cut by a locksmith. Price is yet to be determined, but details with the site admin's and cost of manufacture still have to be worked out.

Once you get the key...

You will need to get the key cut by a locksmith.

you'll have a few options as far as the chip is concerned.

1. The locksmith can program the chip for you
(I talked to a locksmith in my area and he'll cut and program the key for my car for $35.00)

2. The dealer can program the chip for you.

3. You can cut out the chip from one of your keys and glue it into the interior of the switchblade remote.

4. You can hide a key somewhere inside your car that the sensor can pickup.
(this works in my friend VW but has yet to be confirmed in the TL).

I'll know this afternoon whether they have my key or it's backordered.

I'll keep everyone posted.


One last note...

If anyone wants to do this themselves... I will be more than happy to share my experiences with you.
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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Please, take pictures of your process and write up DIY for everybody.. i'm very interested in doing this as well
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 10:47 AM
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Please, take pictures of your process and write up DIY for everybody.. i'm very interested in doing this as well
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 10:55 AM
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Just placed my order for the 07 Key. only $41.16 for the key, should be in by Monday. Lets see if it comes in...

Placed my order at Pohanka Acura in Chantilly
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:24 AM
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i really hope this works!
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:32 AM
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Looks like I might actually try this.
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 02:37 PM
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Other than the faded airbag dash, the fob is the only real thing that has bothered me. :p

Seems silly to pay 80-100 for a "key" but somehow it seems worth it.
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 02:49 PM
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Just a quick heads-up before I take-off for the weekend...

No key from the dealer.

Actually I'm not surprised. The dealers in this area are supplied by a central wharehouse. If the wharehouse has the item then the dealer gets it within a day or two. If not then the wharehouse will order it from where ever they get it from. It's not that I won't (or anyone else) get the key... it's just a matter of when. Hopefully soon.

With that said, I'm going to make a prototype key from scratch by making some blanks using the dimensions carpecervisi provided me with. The prototype will answer the most important questions regarding the size and placement of the grooves. If I get time I'll pop into work and see if I can machine one this weekend. No promises though... the weather here is nice and my motorcycle has been quietly begging me to take her out for a spirited ride

I'll keep you guys posted.
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by carpecervisi
07:JKautosport: you mentioned grinding down the key tip to fit into the SB casing. Was this done so you could ensure that the key itself was long enough?
i'm confused..... i didn't grind the tip of the key
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FLBusa

1. The locksmith can program the chip for you
(I talked to a locksmith in my area and he'll cut and program the key for my car for $35.00)

4. You can hide a key somewhere inside your car that the sensor can pickup.
(this works in my friend VW but has yet to be confirmed in the TL).
1. not too sure if that's accurate.... from what i understand about immobilizer chips, they have a fixed rf signal. if is the actual vehicle that has to be programmed to "see" this signal. it's kind of the same as programming keyless entry transmitters.... they emit a fixed signal, and the car must be trained to recognize it. if any locksmith could do this, the immobilizer system would be useless. a dealer will ask you to verify your vin + show them your title, to make sure the car is actually yours, unless you bought the car there, and they recognize you of course (this is my experience at least).

4. the key has to be right next to the ignition switch. i know in some cars the key can be left somewhere else in the car, but when i tried putting my immobilizer chip anywhere except directly next to the ignition, it wasn't recognized. i assume the signal from the chip isn't a very strong one. in any case, leaving a key in your car isn't the best idea... 1. it could be found by a thief. 2. even if the key is not found, the disabled immobilizer system opens the door to hotwiring, or jamming a screwdriver into the ignition to start the car. imo the negatives outweigh the positives of having a switchblade key if one chooses to go this route.

i think the only way to do this would be to have people send you their key, so you can swap out the chips.

also, somebody needs to take the 07 TL key to acura to see if the immobilizer chip is compatible with previous years. i made an assumption about the rdx keyfob, and it ended up not working. the same idea applies here...... fyi i couldn't get the rdx chip out without destroying the key, so i left it in, and cut through it. it's glued in tight.
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JKautosports
i'm confused..... i didn't grind the tip of the key
Was the different thickness not an issue?
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lembowski
Was the different thickness not an issue?
Ok I'm stupid, you modded and put a standard blade in.
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 04:06 PM
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The price at my dealer is only $31.50

Does that sound right?
You guys are getting really good price from your dealers... I just went to Tustin Acura in Orange Co. The key part is $49 the remote buttons part is around $90... (I guess they sale it as 2 parts?) so the entire assembly is around $139? such a big difference...? humm...
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JKautosports
i'm confused..... i didn't grind the tip of the key

You're right, my bad. When I started researching this and Googling the hell out of it, I came across this post and remembered that last picture incorrectly:

JKautosport's RSX Mod

Great write up, BTW. I definitely consider you the godfather of this whole thing.

Just want to make sure you got the props you deserve, man.

-chad
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by c4accord
You guys are getting really good price from your dealers... I just went to Tustin Acura in Orange Co. The key part is $49 the remote buttons part is around $90... (I guess they sale it as 2 parts?) so the entire assembly is around $139? such a big difference...? humm...
honestly, i don't think they will sell the complete assembly for $30. i've seen the prices on estore fluctuate so much over the last few weeks. i don't think they've decided on a set price yet, because most dealers don't have the keys! also, they only started stocking 07 parts on november 1st.

my dealer sold me the transmitter alone for $33. they said the entire keyfob (d1 or d2) would be $70. i think this would be more accurate, considering 04-06 standard remote transmitters are like $80. those who got them for $50 and less, you are lucky. i wouldn't count on the prices being that low once they are no longer backordered. i also noticed that some dealers have d1 for $90 and d2 for $30.... makes no sense, considering they are essentially the same units.

oh and..... people from crsx who bought them on estore for $30 have found out about the backorder, and have no received their key. i wouldn't be surprised if acura says "oh those prices weren't accurate" once the keys are available.
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by carpecervisi
You're right, my bad. When I started researching this and Googling the hell out of it, I came across this post and remembered that last picture incorrectly:

JKautosport's RSX Mod

Great write up, BTW. I definitely consider you the godfather of this whole thing.

Just want to make sure you got the props you deserve, man.

-chad
thanks chad. my way works great, if you plan on diy..... after you do this once, you won't want to do it again! it's good that you guys are exploring different options, because there are many people who want this key, but don't want to/can't mod it themselves.

i was considering making these for people, but honestly, all that work (to me) is worth more than the $100 or so that i'd make, and obviously no one is going to pay upwards of $200 for a friggin key lol
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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Is the plastic bushing on the key blank molded into the metal blank or can it be taken apart ? Does the plastic have a cam and a catch on it that locks the key in place when folded into the fob ?

Could you please take some closeups of the actual blank and the pivot mechanism on the 07 FOB ?


Originally Posted by carpecervisi
Just a quick update: I have disassembled the 07 TL remote and am trying to find a resource to do the milling/grinding on the blank. Hopefully I can find a place but worse case, I'll simply do the hacksaw thing JKautosports did to his RDX key and fit an 05 TL blank in there. In my ignorance, I thought he had to saw apart the entire housing, not just the blank where it rotates on its axis.

I'll say this, taking apart the remote was a pain. The little screws holding the spring mechanism in place DID NOT want to come out. The metal on those screw heads were very soft and I ended up using brute force to get the little silver one out because it was completely stripped.

Also, while taking the remote apart, I noticed that the manufacturer was OMRON, not VALEO so hopefully that will make people happy.

I've attached the post-mortem shots below. I'm hoping I can get this all wrapped up by the weekend. Also, can anyone confirm a manual way for normal users to recode the transponder instead of taking it to the dealer? Is this step necessary?

-chad



Old Nov 10, 2006 | 05:38 PM
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I want this sooooo bad
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by c4accord
You guys are getting really good price from your dealers... I just went to Tustin Acura in Orange Co. The key part is $49 the remote buttons part is around $90... (I guess they sale it as 2 parts?) so the entire assembly is around $139? such a big difference...? humm...
I went to a different Acura dealership with this part number 35111-SEP-306 Description: KEY MEMORY 1

Price $48.30 with tax $52.28

Sounds to me like the entire thing i hope its not just the key

can someone tell me what exactly is that part number?
TIA
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JKautosports
honestly, i don't think they will sell the complete assembly for $30. i've seen the prices on estore fluctuate so much over the last few weeks. i don't think they've decided on a set price yet, because most dealers don't have the keys! also, they only started stocking 07 parts on november 1st.

my dealer sold me the transmitter alone for $33. they said the entire keyfob (d1 or d2) would be $70. i think this would be more accurate, considering 04-06 standard remote transmitters are like $80. those who got them for $50 and less, you are lucky. i wouldn't count on the prices being that low once they are no longer backordered. i also noticed that some dealers have d1 for $90 and d2 for $30.... makes no sense, considering they are essentially the same units.

oh and..... people from crsx who bought them on estore for $30 have found out about the backorder, and have no received their key. i wouldn't be surprised if acura says "oh those prices weren't accurate" once the keys are available.
Sound like we should get the key fob... b4 they actually figure out what they going to charge. I know at $40-50 that is cheap ...i think the onlinestore of my dealership is $43 something. I might drop by and pick one up..if they stock them.
Old Nov 10, 2006 | 08:20 PM
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carpecervisi
Is the plastic bushing on the key blank molded into the metal blank or can it be taken apart ? Does the plastic have a cam and a catch on it that locks the key in place when folded into the fob ?

Could you please take some closeups of the actual blank and the pivot mechanism on the 07 FOB ?
Triggle-

The blank is injection molded (?) into the plastic bushing. There is a slot that holds the transceiver and a bunch of groove cutouts for the spring mechanism as well as some metal reinforcement pieces in there.

When I dissect one of my keys tomorrow, I'll try to grab a bunch of post-mortem pics but honestly, the stuff JK posted from my earlier link shows it in pretty decent detail.

-chad
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by JKautosports
1. not too sure if that's accurate.... from what i understand about immobilizer chips, they have a fixed rf signal. if is the actual vehicle that has to be programmed to "see" this signal. it's kind of the same as programming keyless entry transmitters.... they emit a fixed signal, and the car must be trained to recognize it. if any locksmith could do this, the immobilizer system would be useless. a dealer will ask you to verify your vin + show them your title, to make sure the car is actually yours, unless you bought the car there, and they recognize you of course (this is my experience at least).

4. the key has to be right next to the ignition switch. i know in some cars the key can be left somewhere else in the car, but when i tried putting my immobilizer chip anywhere except directly next to the ignition, it wasn't recognized. i assume the signal from the chip isn't a very strong one. in any case, leaving a key in your car isn't the best idea... 1. it could be found by a thief. 2. even if the key is not found, the disabled immobilizer system opens the door to hotwiring, or jamming a screwdriver into the ignition to start the car. imo the negatives outweigh the positives of having a switchblade key if one chooses to go this route.

i think the only way to do this would be to have people send you their key, so you can swap out the chips.

also, somebody needs to take the 07 TL key to acura to see if the immobilizer chip is compatible with previous years. i made an assumption about the rdx keyfob, and it ended up not working. the same idea applies here...... fyi i couldn't get the rdx chip out without destroying the key, so i left it in, and cut through it. it's glued in tight.
1. You could be right... I don't have have accurate information from someone that is intimately knowledgable about how the chip works. I will however speculate that the chip inside the key is not doing any kind of transmitting. That would require the key and chip to have some kind of battery power, which it does not. I do know this based on my buddies VW experiences. The chip in the key acts as a signal reflector and there's a small coil like antenna in the key lock. That is probably why the key needs to be right next to the lock as you found out in your tests. I'm still confident the the '07 key and chip will work. Until proven otherwise I will remain optimistic. I'm also certain that a bonded locksmith can and will create and program a duplicate key for my car. We'll see how things pan out.
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Originally Posted by FLBusa
1. You could be right... I don't have have accurate information from someone that is intimately knowledgable about how the chip works. I will however speculate that the chip inside the key is not doing any kind of transmitting. That would require the key and chip to have some kind of battery power, which it does not. I do know this based on my buddies VW experiences. The chip in the key acts as a signal reflector and there's a small coil like antenna in the key lock. That is probably why the key needs to be right next to the lock as you found out in your tests. I'm still confident the the '07 key and chip will work. Until proven otherwise I will remain optimistic. I'm also certain that a bonded locksmith can and will create and program a duplicate key for my car. We'll see how things pan out.

This is a basic RFID chip just like the ones embedded in your Michelin tires, Nike shoes and the CD you just bought. Same technology. Quite controversial for non-security applications.
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by VelfarreClubber
I went to a different Acura dealership with this part number 35111-SEP-306 Description: KEY MEMORY 1

Price $48.30 with tax $52.28

Sounds to me like the entire thing i hope its not just the key

can someone tell me what exactly is that part number?
TIA
Exactly what I paid (and have yet to receive).

It seems (although not yet confirmed) that it's the whole unit. I say this because when I order mine I was asked whether I wanted driver #1 or #2. Since the remote is what's coded and not the key... deductive reasoning would point to it being the whole unit.

Hey... it works for Sherlock Holmes
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 10:57 PM
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just broke my 04 FOB and dealer quoted like 80 dollars for the remote. If someone can get the key machined, id buy it.
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just broke my 04 FOB and dealer quoted like 80 dollars for the remote. If someone can get the key machined, id buy it.

Just go and get one off eBay and program it yourself. Earler in this thread someone posted the directions.
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Just go and get one off eBay and program it yourself. Earler in this thread someone posted the directions.
The fob is totaly destroyed, and the key is messed up, it won;t start the car now. I think that the immoblizer chip got messed up within the key.

BTW, i think it got ran over when i was at the orlando meet (thats where it came off the hook)
Old Nov 12, 2006 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JKautosports
1. not too sure if that's accurate.... from what i understand about immobilizer chips, they have a fixed rf signal. if is the actual vehicle that has to be programmed to "see" this signal. it's kind of the same as programming keyless entry transmitters.... they emit a fixed signal, and the car must be trained to recognize it. if any locksmith could do this, the immobilizer system would be useless. a dealer will ask you to verify your vin + show them your title, to make sure the car is actually yours, unless you bought the car there, and they recognize you of course (this is my experience at least).

4. the key has to be right next to the ignition switch. i know in some cars the key can be left somewhere else in the car, but when i tried putting my immobilizer chip anywhere except directly next to the ignition, it wasn't recognized. i assume the signal from the chip isn't a very strong one. in any case, leaving a key in your car isn't the best idea... 1. it could be found by a thief. 2. even if the key is not found, the disabled immobilizer system opens the door to hotwiring, or jamming a screwdriver into the ignition to start the car. imo the negatives outweigh the positives of having a switchblade key if one chooses to go this route.

i think the only way to do this would be to have people send you their key, so you can swap out the chips.

also, somebody needs to take the 07 TL key to acura to see if the immobilizer chip is compatible with previous years. i made an assumption about the rdx keyfob, and it ended up not working. the same idea applies here...... fyi i couldn't get the rdx chip out without destroying the key, so i left it in, and cut through it. it's glued in tight.
Didn't the rdx use a diffrent company for the alarm? For sure, i know the 04-06 TL use omeron alamrs.
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Hope this isn't a repost, but i cut apart my Valet key last night, and this is what i got out of it. The black chip was surrounded in silicone which was in the middle of that open spot of the key.

Old Nov 12, 2006 | 12:51 PM
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Hope this isn't a repost, but i cut apart my Valet key last night, and this is what i got out of it. The black chip was surrounded in silicone which was in the middle of that open spot of the key.

Good work!!! I was wondering how the chip looked. Looks like it's small enough to fit in the fob somewhere. But... no telling until I get one.

Thanks for posting the pic.
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The anticipation!
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Yeah, i was unsure of what to expect so i was VERY cautious cutting it open. Used a utility knife to do it, but it should be possible to use a hacksaw which would make it easier, and save the fingers as i cut my thumb up a good amount

But, hopefully this can fit in somewhere, wont know until I get my key; which hopefully should be in tomm. I will keep everyone updated.
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I have read this entire post and it’s awesome.

I'd pay the freight to get the switchblade. I just picked up a 2006 TL with nav for a sweetheart price and the only thing I miss from my 2001 Passat GLX (beside the fact that it was stolen out of my garage) is the switchblade. Being a first time Acura owner I am surprised that it isn't standard as my 01 Passat had it? The car is great and these forums are a great resource for information. Happy Sunday and "GO Chargers!!!"

Sorry for the slight thread jacking but I was reading and watching that game (Chargers / Bengal’s) "Best Game of the Year" possibly.

VERY excited to see if this KEY can be made!!!!!! and thanks to all those spending time and effort for the rest of us.
Old Nov 12, 2006 | 06:47 PM
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if this can be made, i'd be first in line if the "price was right"
Old Nov 12, 2006 | 08:53 PM
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Sorry, but just had to note that I am so psyched about this that I am literally checking this thread like every 5 minutes.

Can't wait till I get my key, should be in tomm!! so Mod will take place sometime this week, because I am busy as hell this week. But IT SHALL BE DONE!!

Don't worry i will take pictures too, hopefully pictures you all want tooo.

that it works.

Question, hopefully someone can answer this, But any ideas on where to place the chip? I have no idea, will do some testing, and see if the chip has to be in a specific location, but not sure

any ideas/comments suggested
Old Nov 12, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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Just to clear up some doubts about this project, is it confirmed that the 'programmable' part of the 07 TL (switchblade) key can be programmed to work the same as the 04-06 TL key or failing this, can the 'programmable part be removed from the 04-06 key and fitted to the 07 key?
Great thread and definately worth the effort if it can be done right.
I'm thinking of going the route of using the blade of my original key and grafting it into the 07 switchblade assembly, but I'm holding off until I can get answers to the above...and the time to do it!
Thanks guys.



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