Eoanou

This kid I met has a 2006, well maybe not that specific year, but the same generation, the one before the current model, Accord 4 door with a 6spd transmission. I'm not sure what bolt-ons he has, but I do know he has an exhaust.

How do you think it will do from a 50mph roll versus a 2006 TL with an automatic transmission?

I saw on this link:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Accor...lip-12655.html

Someone got a 14.7 stock so I figure that maybe the Accord will be faster.

anx1300c

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'06 was the first year they offered the 6MT in the sedan. I think you'll probably lose, but not by much. Are you stock?

Eoanou

Yep, the motor is stock.

iforyou

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if he can shift, he will be seeing 14.2 -14.3s, which is about 0.5s faster than your car. Assuming both are stock.

F23A4

Eoanou

Well I'm curious about a 50 roll, stock for stock?

iforyou

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It will still beat you. Basically performance-wise, 6MT >>> 5AT for the J series, or most Honda's. They make some of the best manual gearboxes, but they also make some of the worst automatic gearboxes.

rp_guy

well, the accord is rated at 244hp, '254 on 91 octane'. the TL has an SAE net rating of 258hp.. on 91 octane. that really shows you the difference between the engines (not much).. figure in the exhaust giving him maybe 5whp and you're pretty much even. however, since the auto has more drivetrain loss than the manual, you're probably gonna lose (unless he can't shift)

bigBLACKTL

what about a 2005 TL stock 5AT vs 2003 accord 5AT stock

Eoanou

You'll win, just make sure you take advantage of SS and shift as close to redline as you can.

iforyou

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Yea, you will win. The 5AT Accord seems to be very sluggish, with 0-60mph in 7s, that's much slower than 6.2s of a 5AT TL.

Eoanou

Results:

Unless this guy was shifting out of third at 60mph, and out of fourth at 90mph, a 2006 TL A/T is even with an 2006 Accord 6M/T

The TL was faster, but he had an extra person, it seems that everytime he shifted the TLs longer gears allowed the TL to pull on him.

Start at 2nd TL pulls 2 feet ahead,
He shifts out of 2nd, the TL pulls 2 feet ahead,
TL shifts out of 2nd, stalemate
He shifts out of 3rd, the TL pulls 2 feet ahead,
Stopped at TL top of the third.

anx1300c

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I think most base 5AT TL's are more in the 6.5+ range.

F23A4

While I will agree that the 5AT AV6 is a little sluggish, the TL 5AT is not much livelier. In my few run ins with the TL 5AT (vs my AV6 5AT) it's been fairly even. But if anyone wants to go for a run in the NJ area, I (or my son -- who has more free time) will be happy to run the AV6 vs a TL 5AT.

EDIT (and off the subject a bit): My son just indicated that he prefers to run an 07-08 TL-S 6MT in his Altima. Any takers?

Eoanou

Well if you see my post two posts above, using that as a reference, I'm sure the 5AT TL will pull 1 car on the 5AT AV6.

iforyou

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Eoanou, actually, your results are quite similar to what Jeff@TOV got in his testing. He got the same 0-60mph time for both AV6 6MT and TL 5AT.

anx1300c

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Probably 2 or 3 car lengths.

Honestly though, one street race from a roll isn't really a credible testament to the overall performance of either car line.

Eoanou

Yeah these cars are pretty much even, which is why I think that the 4th gen TL will be faster to match the new gen AV6, which will be pretty sweet

iforyou

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yea, I just hope it won't be too heavy lol.

Eoanou

From the looks of the pictures of the camo'd TL I think it'll be around 3750lbs for an A/T TL, too big and heavy, imo.

iforyou

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3750lbs wouldn't be all that bad I think as IS350, 335i, and G35 are about 3600-3700lbs too I believe. And it seems like the TL is bigger than those.

F23A4

Repeated runs @ the strip FTW in this case.

SatinSilverAV6

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Definantly a drivers race.


Both cars run nearly identical 1/4 mile times.

14.8-15.3 is about what I have seen for the 5AT AV6 stock.

SatinSilverAV6

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I don't seem to find my 5AT sluggish at all. That might have to do with the increased throttle response with my I/E though. Mine is very responsive.

Its more like 6.6 seconds to 60MPH for the 5AT V6 accord. Stevetec did those test numbers with the TL vs the Accord V6 and they were within .1 to 60MPH and .1 1/4 mile time. They were both within 1MPH trap speed as well.

Eoanou

It was 3 runs.

Eoanou

I'm sure I'll be going to Englishtown this summer I'll let you know when I do.

Eoanou

IS350 weighs 3560, also has a 11.8:1 Compression ratio, that's really high.

BMW335i 3605 A/T; 3594 M/T This blew my mind, the TL has one less gear and it's A/T tranny weighs 90lbs more, WITHOUT the LSD unit and larger brakes too. How is it that BMW M/T to A/T is only 11lbs and they're both 6spd.

G35 A/T 3467lbs

Current TL A/T 3481.1

All these numbers are from the same source, Automotive.com

So if the TL jumped another 300lbs it'll be a VERY heavy car for a V-6. What I don't understand is why they make these cars so much bigger with a smaller motor. Why bother with all that extra space if the motor can't handle 5 passengers?

Current TL can have a maximum payload capacity of 800lbs, including the driver, so having 3 passengers and a couple suitcases could very well put you over that 800lb limit. Then all that extra space is for nothing, keep in mind going over the suggested payload capacity is a safety hazard, and it harms the suspension and motor has to work very hard not to mention the poor brakes on these cars after a few stops you will notice brake fade.

TL engineers are pathetic, want a smaller motor in your cars and be a pro-environment car manufacturer fine! But don't increase the size of the cars its counter intuitive.

F23A4

iforyou

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SatinSilverAV6, that's what I thought too when I drove the AV6 while working as a lot boy, a tap on the gas pedal and the thing jumped. But i felt that it's a bit weaker at the bottom end compared to my TL, but that could be because the AV6 I drove was a brand new car, so it was still in its break-in period.

IS350 has a high CR because it has a direct injection engine.

Yea, Honda's are weird, their MT cars are usually much lighter than their AT counterparts.

G35 is 3583lbs, TL-S is 3515lb, IS350 is 3600lb, and 335i is 3616lb, CTS is a bit crazy, at 4032lb. All numbers are found here: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...40_000_feature

Now you might as why these numbers are so much different than yours. Keep in mind that the TL is fully loaded and the only option is the navigation system, with the Type S, the navigation system is standard. On the other hand, most other cars in this segment, namely G35, IS350, and 335i, options and features can be added separately, such as moonroof, dual-zone AC, CD-changer, power seats, heated seats, larger rims, paddle shifters, and a lot more. All of these extra features would add weight, and the numbers from C/D are from fully. or somewhat loaded cars.

I think you assumed that 3750lb is for the next gen TL AT right? Current TL AT is not 3481.1lb for sure. In fact, I just went to Acura.ca and found that the TL is at 1642kg, or 3612.4lbs. So I wouldn't be too surprised if the next gen is at 3750lb.

I'm not sure what you mean by making these cars so much bigger with a smaller motor? It seems like they will be using a 3.5L engine for the base engine in the next gen, instead of 3.2L.

anx1300c

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^^Yeah, the base 6MT is listed at 3482 or 3483. My registration reads like 3445 or around there. Plus I've probably lost another 30+ lbs from mods, so I guess my car isn't too porky.

SatinSilverAV6

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They both run identical 60ft times at the track. Both run 2.2-2.3 60fts for the 5AT. The TL does have more torque(seat of your pants feel) but the extra weight hinders the advantage. I was looking on youtube and there are plenty of stock TL's and Accord V6's that do the 0-60 and 0-100MPH times and they both fly!

F23A4

The TL 5AT and AV6 5AT have nearly identical power:weight and the gear ratios are similarly spaced. TL will beat the AV6 on topend....mainly due to the AV6 being governed @~130mph.

Eoanou

Those cars are heavier than I thought, but they still aren't 3700lbs, and they look to be much smaller than the camo TL, maybe the TL might hit 3800lbs.

Eoanou

By the way these curb weights can't be trusted, because I just compared curb weights of the Accord 4cyl. between two different articles on Cars.com and each article lists a different weight, 3,349 and 3,419.

Something is screwy with these curb weights.

iforyou

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yea, it could be at 3800lbs, I mean, CTS is already over 4000lbs.

Like I said before, many cars come with different trims, for Accord, for the I4 model, besides the AT and MT difference, it has LX, EX, EX-L, etc. An EX-L would weigh much more than the LX model because it has many more features.

I used to be driving a 1992 Accord LX (DX in US), it has nothing, no power windows, no power locks, no moonroof, no alloy wheels, no nothing. It's about 2800lbs. But a 1992 Accord EX (LX in US) was 100lbs more simply because it got more features.

SatinSilverAV6

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I see on youtube that the top speed of the TL 5AT is between 150-155MPH. The 5AT AV6 is 135MPH and the 08 AV6 5AT is 128MPH. Who knows why honda governs the accord.

iforyou

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Probably because of the tires?

Eoanou

Does the 6M/T accord have the same speed governor?

F23A4

The March 04 issue of Road and Track has the 6MT (04 MY) topping out at a governed 130 mph as well. I do not know if the case is the same for the 7.5G (06-07) AV6 as well nor the 8G.