That Girl

This is from another site ,this is an acura tech stating that the 2004 has the same tranny ,can anyone verify ?


AKuRaTeK
A-CL Newbie

Registered: Apr 2003
Location: Chicago IL
Posts: 14
Don't worry as the 04TL uses the same tranny, I've worked ona 3K mile MDX for a tranny leak- the MDX are starting to puke out around 30K miles...some are on their 3rd too.... I am a Acura tech who installs these hunks of **** trannies into their POS cars. NO sane mechanic in our shop drives a TL or CL. Its eighter Legends, or older Integras, then there are a few of us oddballs with turbo Maximas and Supras We hate Honda like no other. Hey but they pay so we work, simple as that.

jwaters943

I take anything I read on the internet with a grain of salt. In addition, I really don't have a high regard for anyone who TyPeS LiKe ThIs.

For our sakes and Acuras, I hope they fixed the tranny problem.

Jss1

I know 3 people who have TL's ( 2-2000, & 1-2002) and none of them have ever had this problem. Sounds like a disgruntled employee to me. Warranty/extended warranty would cover "if" it were to happen. Has anyone posted this probelm here? I would think this would be the forum it would show up on.

adam209

no. don't get That Girl involved in a tranny debate. it'll end up being 5 pages long of nonsense

newacuraforme

Such Bull.

Ken1997TL

First off, people on the internet tend to blow things out of proportion. You will find that for every person who complains about their tranny, there are 100 who don't have a problem. People tend to look for solutions or just vent online. If your life is going ok, you don't exactly advertise it online (usually).

Anyway, the new '04 TL most LIKELY uses a new or updated tranny. Why? Because it uses drive-by-wire which would require some modifications to the existing design or a totally new model.

TorontoTL

I had a 2000 TL and absolutely no problems with the transmission. I have the new 2004 TL now and I can't imagine that Acura wouldn't have fixed whatever the problem was that they were having with some of their transmissions.

fla-tls

Do a search, and you find quite a few threads. It does appear that the problem has died down quite a bit, although we still do get occasional threads from people with failures.

(Oh, and check my sig.)

OldGuy

There were a number of guys on the forum who had tranny problems with the 2nd generation. I followed it very closely because I had an 02 Type S. To my knowledge, no Canadian TL owner on this forum had a tranny problem. My extended warranty letter said that 2% of the cars had been affected. The number on this site was considerably higher than that. Some guys went through three transmissions. Like TorontoTL, I cannot believe that the problem was repeated. Honda/Acura insisted it was fixed on the later 03 models.

kws6000

Sounds like bs to me.I cant see honda not resoving the problem in the new models.If it were an american car than I would believe it.

HacksawHilliard

All I can say is that no Acura tech worth his/her salt would come onto a forum and badmouth the TL or MDX.

vandy786

Have a 2002 TLS since May 2001. No tranny problems at all. People like me probably never reply to tranny threads but there are many of us. My uncle's 2001 TL is fine too.

acura_driver

That messages doesn't look like it came from an Acura technician.

Acura admitted there was a problem with the transmission when they extended the transmission warranty on the previous generation of the TL as well as the CL. They knew there was a higher than normal rate of failure, so I highly doubt that they would do nothing to fix it.

BTW, the transmission in my 01CL-S was trouble free during the 51k miles I had it.

Given the drive by wire the TL has, I'd guess it would be easier on transmissions. Even under WOT the shifts are very smooth.

-r

pianoman41

That kid claims to be an Acura tech over at A-CL.com. He also states *not* to flush the 5AT tranny fluid, contrary to what all other techs (and Acura) say. Tough to judge his credibility.

Jens H (also on A-CL.com), on the other hand, is an established, reputable Acura tech from Park Avenue Acura in NJ and he states he's quite sure the transmissions are *not* the same, as they don't even look the same (at least from the outside).

seahawk

Find it hard to believe a real Acura tech would come on this board
and talk like that , don't buy it myself. Bought a TL - Type S ,
black, last summer and just love it. Driving that car makes
me feel 20 years younger (54). As for all this talk of tranny
problems ,I got the 7 year extended warranty option, only
plan to keep the car 5 years anyway. I look upon the extra 2
years of warranty as a good resale feature.
Just put on 4 snows on steel rims , hated to do it but have
ta get ready for these long Canadian winters.

garylee55

Give me a break Vandy. When those of us had tranny problems at the beginning when they were really starting to show up, you took every opportunity to flame us!

As far as the '04 TL having the same tranny as the 2nd generation, I do not think that is true. However, I remember reading an article in AutoWeek when the '03 Accord came out, and that article said the then new Accord was using a 'modified' TL tranny. I wrote Autoweek a letter saying that I hope it was truly modified, or else the 'new' Accord would suffer the same fate of the '02-'03 TL trannies.

Formula 350

Let's see..... 20 years younger plus feeling 54 equals WHAT 74!!!

:wow: :wow:



:lol2:

BLEXV6

I am one Canadian who had their tranny go @ 60,000 kilometers and there have been several other trannys. I have heard the new tranny for 2004 is redesigned.

fsttyms1

last i read the tranny is completely redesigned and like 1/4 smaller

uhohitzmikey

make no mistake about it. the tranny is all new. first of all, being a 2002 tl-s owner i know exactly what the old tranny felt like and this one is nothing like it. just picked up my 04 tl last wed and i can tell you its definetly not the same one in any aspect. it shifts better, is much smoother, and is definetly more refined.

mike

seahawk

nawwwwwwwwwwwwww not 74 , just 8 years
older than you ****head.

Highest Reards,
old guy:p :p

HacksawHilliard

I think we all should remember what usually kills auto transmissions; HEAT. Too much will fry your tranny fluid and if you get it above certain temps for any length of time, the life of your transmission will be measured in a few thousand miles, not tens of thousands of miles. While this will vary from brand to brand, generally the rule is once the tranny fluid temp gets above 280 degrees F, it's best to change out your fluid ASAP. I once had a FORD F350 Dually and I started worrying when it got above 200 degrees.

fuque

Look at the bright side: at least he doesn't post in K-Rad...

Sherlock

Our trannies are the 5speed GenII, even stamped as such, so they are different. And I'm trying to verify something I heard yesteday that they are a totally different MFR as of mid year this year, can't validate yet.

need4spd

Ours were made in Japan, maybe the switch is to a US supplier? the 2nd generation TL's had tranny's made in USA.

partagas

My early '01 CL-S ate one tranny at 15K and another at 30K. The problem did exist. I knew various others with the same prob. I was told that it was fixed by the third tranny. I traded it for a MDX. It now has only 10K miles.

gwaimui

I am a 2002 TL-S owner and have just dropped my car off to get transmission replaced. I am a Canadian TL-S owner who is currently down in Florida for the winter. I have 80, 000 kms on my car. It worries me that when you have this problem you don't stop at one transmission replacement and since I am at 80,000 km my warranty could soon be expiring. Can anyone tell me if the warranty was extended and to what?

huskerfan

Acura extended the transmission warranty on some Acura's to 100,000 miles. I have a 2003 TL Type S and mine is one of the cars that is covered. I have about 40,000 miles on mine and no tranny problems yet. You should have been notified by Acura if your car was one of the ones covered. However, you can go to the Owners link on the Acura website and put in your VIN number and it will tell you what recalls there have been on your vehicle or if the extended warranty applies to you.

NOX 3.2

I drove my 00TL w/NAV for 125,000 mi,
I even went down to Florida from Houston, and back (>3000 mile trip). NEVER had a single problem!
traded the car for the 04, 'cause I like it better.

nothing wrong with the 00. it actually rides smoother...
the original Michelins lasted for 84k miles, still had deep thread patterns! - but I got newer tires just in case.

RAdams

The 2nd gen TL's had Japanese-made transmissions. Aisin, if I remember correctly.

FWIW, neither my '00 TL that I traded with 18,500 miles nor my '02 TL-S that I traded with 35,000 miles exhibited transmission problems.

KilroyR1

One more reason to go with the 6MT.

Don

EggrollXpress61

Actually, in terms of EXACTLY the same, I dont think so because on the 04' TL, the Tranny is now made in Japan. Whilst, on the older generation TLs, they were made in America. i THINK thats what my car dealer told me. He said that due to the crappy older trannys, the new ones are high quality and made in Japan.

Edward'TLS

Even if the '04 TL is using the Gen-2 transmission, which I doubt is true, the transmission is very well protected - by using the new throttle-by-wire instead of mechanical linkage throttle.
The problem of the Gen-2 transmission is that wide-open throttle (WOT) 2-3 upshift and 5-2 downshift generate too much heat for the 3rd gear clutch pack to handle. Eventually, the clutch pack breaks apart and clots the oil passage and filter, resulting in terminal transmission failure.
So whenever a failed Gen-2 transmission is replaced, the ECM or PCM or computer (same thing) is also replaced as the same time. The revised program inside the new computer will retard the ignition timing and other things, so as to reduce the engine output during the deadly WOT shifts. However, since the Gen-2 is using mechanically-linked throttle, the air intake port is still wide open, sucking in massive volume of air, trying to generate maximum engine output.
But now the '04 TL is using throttle-by-wire (maybe just for this reason). So whenever a WOT shift takes place, the computer can neglect the WOT signal from the gas pedal, and assume full control of the ignition timing, fuel timing, air port/throttle opening, etc. so as to try to prevent any damage to the transmission.

sirbrah

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a lot of high-output V6 engines use WOT? How come this is not a problem on other cars?

Lore

I thought both trannies were made in Japan? I think there was a discussion about this before, where people claimed that the new one would be flawless because it was made in Japan, but then people realized that the 2nd gens were also made there.

Edward'TLS

I hate to say this. The Gen-2 TL's auto transmission is weak, with a bad design and unfortunately accompanied with sub-standard parts from supplier(s). Honda did a short-cut for the Type-S. It upgraded the engine, but not the transmission. With a stronger new transmission, everyone can WOT the hell out of the car with no problem. But still, I enjoy every moment driving my car.

vandy786

Edward'TLS,
Do you know if the new replacement trannies are still defective. In other words, I've had no problems with my tranny but if it were defective and did go out, would I get an identical transmission put in or would it be "fixed" (clutch pack or whatever it is).

Edward'TLS

The replacement transmission will be a rebuild (previously defective) unit with all the fixes in it. However, some members here are still reporting failing replaced transmission. Some even have had 3 to 4 rebuild transmissions replaced. A good source of transmission information is in the transmission forum at www(dot)acura-cl(dot)com. In there you can even find the official transmission failure investigation report done by Honda and was submitted to National Highway & Transportation Agency.

pianoman41

This is not correct. The 2nd generation TL trannys were made in Japan. It was the only part of the car that was imported.

DivinDude

According to the report filed by Honda to the Feds on their crappy slush-o-matic tranny, the 2nd gen tranny started off in Japan but was moved to the US sometime in 2000/2001 (I don't recall the specific date).