t0talacuratl

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I have got to get my car to a track to see what the hell it can do!

iforyou

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"In straight performance numbers, the G35 keeps the pace. The G35's 6.0-second 0-to-60-mph dash and 14.6 quarter-mile are within a 10th or two of the Type-S and 330Ci "

This proves that the G35 can do the 1/4mile in 14.6 sec. But...is it AT or MT? We will find out....

"More vibrations come through the pedals and shifter from the six coffee cans up front. As in all the G- and Z-cars fitted with Nissan's VQ DOHC 24-valve 3.5-liter V-6, the engine makes trucklike torque at low revs and trucklike sound and vibrations at high revs. The river of sine waves through the cabin and the rasp of the exhaust make going to the redline in the G less intoxicating than in, say, an Acura 3.2CL Type-S or a BMW 330Ci, two alternative selections in the duo-door class with vastly superior sound signatures "

Well, from this paragraph in the same article, the G35 in the test is a 6MT model (It would be scary if vibrations exist through the shifter in an automatic car).

So, a G35 6MT can do the 1/4mile in 14.6s. Yea, one can argue figures in magazines aren't always reliable, but then, I think they are more accurate than numbers obtained other people.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...g35-coupe.html

F23A4

Without slips, kill victories are somewhat tainted.

allblackmax

What's going on guys? I've been wanting to race a TL-S for the longest. I'm auto and the person who said the manual 6spd has the advantage is absolutely right. I race my buddies 02 Max SE 6spd and he pulls on me from a roll. We haven't raced from a stop(I have a feeling he doesn't want to do this) but I think I'll pull in 1st and 2nd.

A run down of my car:
'04 Max, AEM Intake, Hotshot headers, Greddy cat-back, APEXi SAFC II-tuned

Here's my dyno:

aznbenz07

[QUOTE=allblackmax]What's going on guys? I've been wanting to race a TL-S for the longest. I'm auto and the person who said the manual 6spd has the advantage is absolutely right. I race my buddies 02 Max SE 6spd and he pulls on me from a roll. We haven't raced from a stop(I have a feeling he doesn't want to do this) but I think I'll pull in 1st and 2nd.

That's a hot max man, do you have anypics of it? I was chillin in my best friends grey one last night, he has an 04'. He's gonna do gun metal rims on it to match the car.

allblackmax

Didn't know non-Acuras were allowed but here you go:









Bonus shot of the grill:

allblackmax

More shots:

allblackmax

Hotshot headers:





Tuned AFC:

allblackmax

My car makes good power but I kinda regret getting an auto. I have a buddy that has a fully built auto tranny and kills on a regular but his tranny mods are worth thousands.

F23A4

Before I sold my 02 Maxima, I came VERY CLOSE to getting HS headers.

Dave_B

That's cool and all, but my stock 5AT G35 did 14.3s@98mph. As for the 6MT in the Z/G, yeah, it's a let down. It has lots of vibration and the clutch is like an on/off switch. The disappointing 6MT is why I didn't get one. The 2nd gen G35 tranny is even worse. As for vibration in the 5AT, it's nonexistent through the pedals or shifter. It's an entirely different driving car.

iforyou

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I am not sure about the clutch, but I have watched a few episodes of Best Motoring where they took some shots inside the cabin while doing some 1/4mile runs, the vibration of the shifter is just crazy. But then they are fast even on a track. No comparison with STi's but they do pretty well against RX8 6MT, Integra Type R, and S2000.

VtecTL

personal experience, my friend has an 05 white auto g35...i have 06 6-speed tl..i won every time. ran 3 times from a stop. he got me by a TINY bit from the start but come my 2nd gear, i pulled and passed him bout .5 car length...all 3 runs were up to about 70 mph.. now the manual g35s would most likely be a different story. the g35 auto = teh suck.

Dave_B

Yeah, the manual G35 would most likely be a different story because he probably loose by more The truth is 9/10 G drivers are clueless to racing, especially 5AT drivers. Tell your friend that he needs to manually shift and hold 2nd and 3rd gear to 6500rpms. If you leave the tranny in Drive, it's can mean the difference between running a 14.7 or a 14.3. Same goes for the launch, if you don't understand how to stall up the torque converter the right away on the G/Z, you'll be a lot slower. If you don't stall up the TC enough, it means the difference between a low 2.1 60' or a high 2.3 60'. I've helped numerous 5AT G drivers go from higher 14s to lower 14s by just giving them pointers on how to manipulate the 5AT.

As for the 5AT sucking, show me your timeslips. Talk is cheap. Take a look around this site and you'll see that most 6MT TLs are mid 14 second rides or higher.

allblackmax

Sounds like good advice. I'm assuming when you refer to "stall up" the TC you mean get the rpms up to the stall speed limit before you launch. I know with my 04' Max SE the stall speed is right around 2000rpms.

Also, another trick is to hold the level in the "+" position as you get to redline. The tranny will hold the gear past the normal shift point. Careful when racing though, if you hit the rev limiter you'll lose time. If done right you'll shift right before it hit the rev limiter and be in a much higher RPM range when the next gear kicks in.

Works great when you have I/H/E and tuned AFC like me because I'm still making power all the way up to redline.

VtecTL

about that, he knows how to drive his g and he dosent leave it in drive when he races lol...he's a good driver...i talked to him about holding his 2nd and 3rd gear and he said he always does that. i might be a better driver? who knows but i still won those 3 times. i love G's. trust me. i was going to get one but insurance issues. thier amazing vehicles. i might even trade in my tl for the 08 g37 coupes...all in all...drivers race imo. g35 manual vs tl manaul with equal drivers, g35 would come out top.

aznbenz07

interesting, I still havent been able to race my friends g35 coupe or 04 maxima cause they just don't race their more about big chrome and loud hip hop which is cool sometime but I'm more about perfomance. Guess I need new friends.

iforyou

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Take a look around and you will also find many stock 6MT non type s TL's run in the low 14's.

allblackmax

The race was only to 70mph??? Awww man, that ain't no race.

meowCat

LOL, your post is funny. Loose more.. HA HA. I like it..... I like it a lot!

But if driven right (by the professionals) then you should get better results, as we know.



Guys, you have to know this though, the G35 AT will never beat the Standard TL 6MT. It is physically impossible to beat the TL 6MT.

G35 AT = 6.3 sec.
TL 6MT = 5.7 sec (best time done by Car & Driver 2004), and driven by dummies(I mean the "good" dummies), 5.9 sec.


As you can see, the TL 6MT rapes the G35 AT. Time to mop the bathroom floor?


I'm not sure about the 2007 model G35 AT sedan but..... I wanna challenge.


I tried to challenge any G35 owners in my town but they all get scared and back off when they see my black TL 6MT. I think they feel too intimidated and scare to lose. Nobody wants to race me except for that Chrysler Crossfire SRT6 driver I beat the other day. C'mon G35 drivers..... cum race me. I'm so itching as hell.

Dave_B

No timeslips for your car, huh? Big surprise.

I'm pretty sure you don't live in Kansas City so I can't put fancy you a race.

However, I'd put a $20 on my G, even when stock, will beat most any stock 6MT TL. I could care less about 0-60 because I don't get 0-60 prints on my timeslip. For what it's worth, my stock 5AT G went 14.32@98mph stock. That equates to about a 5.7 0-60 or so. I could care less though. I've watched 5AT and 6MT race at the track and I've seen the 1/4 mile times posted on this site and it very rare to see a 6MT TL run better than 14.5s. Whether you want to believe or not and continue to base everything on street races and mag times, then so be it.

Dave_B

Show me because I've been on this site for 2 years and low 14s from stock 6MT TLs is a rarity. I'm not trying to talk trash when I say that. I'm just posting up what I see posted on this site.

meowCat

That's because you haven't looked hard enough.

That's because you don't own the TL 6MT, with passion.

You are favoring one car over another. With that kind of attitude you will not want to see TL 6MT doing 14.2 sec.

And I bet you'd be happy to see better number on the G35, because that is what you own.


I would love to challenge stock G35 owners. I already ran into quite a few G35 drivers and they don't dare try to race me. They get chickened out when they saw my Brembo brakes glowing inside those wheels. That sign is that this car is 6MT, the fast as phuck car. The black beast, my friend..... the black beast.

iforyou

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Lol, that's sad but that's the fact.

Dave_B

Sorry Chief, but like I said, I've been on this site for years and people postings about 1/4 mile runs are a rarity. This site is a bit different than most because the "racing" section apparently isn't about sactioned racing, but instead about worthless street encounters that really prove nothing. I enjoy plenty of other cars outside of G35s and I can assure you that. I am not a diehard Nissan/Infiniti guy in the least.

My G35 is black too, aka Black Sunshine, and it's pretty dang quick with legit numbers to back it and numerous track kills under it's belt against crappy drivers in siginificantly quicker cars. As for the brakes, last time I checked, the G35 outbraked the TL by a significant margin (10' to 15') and without "glowing"

ILLustriousUA6

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wow, i actually believe you Dave_B.. It's all about the driver.. with a 5AT, not a lot of people know how to launch.... but wow, i'm surprised that you ran 14.32 stock with a 5at.... what tires did u have one? And I believe the stock 6MT TL has done a 14.0 FLAT..... and keep in mind, everyone, that the people who run the cars on C&D are NOT as fast as some people on the forums.. bottom line is, you can't always believe in what you see in mags, because there is always someone faster out there..

Dave_B

There are actually guys that have done 14.1 and 14.2s in stock 03-06 G35 5ATs, it's rare though, but it does happen. It comes down to these three things:

1) conditions. Good air can mean the difference between running a 14.6 or a 14.1.

2) driving. You've got to know how to get the most out of the car. If you let the 5AT shift itself, it's .3-.5 second slower car especially at speeds over 65mph.

3) track. Some tracks are simply quicker than others.

Like you said, what the mags see is pretty meaningless. It's a decent gauge, but you can be assured that someone, somewhere will see about a .5 second quicker time under ideal conditions, track prep, and skill. That can be said for any car. Years ago when I saw my 310lb friend pilot his stock 5AT G35 sedan with a sub/system/spare in the back to a 14.6@96mph with a mid 2.2 60 foot, I knew these cars could go a bit quicker with a lighter driver like myself (185lbs) and no extra weight to pull along.

My G typically sees mid 2.1 60 foots with barely a tire chirp on launch at the track. On the street, it can spin the tires decently, depending on the surface. The tires at the time were mostly bald OEM 215/55R17 Turanzas which may very well be the worst tires even made. Launching these cars consistently is pretty easy because of RWD, a relatively long wheelbase, and decent torque. The launch actually feels really slow because there is no drama unlike my old low 14-second 5MT Maxima which was a handful.

iforyou

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seems like there won't be an end to this argument/debate, lol!

VtecTL

lol. there will always be rivals for every car minus hyundai and saturns. like when i had my 02 celica gt-s back in the day, i started a gt-s vs rsx-s thread..that junk went on 100+ replies...'drivers race blah blah'...don't expect it to end until a mod locks the thread.

VtecTL

btw, i reiterate..TL>>>> g35 auto...seriously. not kidding..ESPECIALLY the damn sedan...my god come on...14.32 with a 03 g35 auto sedan...man..not sayin your lyin..but ...you have some major bolt-ons or somethin that day? stock for stock, i'll take a g35 auto sedan or coupe with the tl manual...

iforyou

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watchout VtecTL, i see flames coming your way.....lol!

Dave_B

VtecTL

...so you want me to get a piece of paper and write down that i just have intake minus the other stuff i might have? dosent prove much here..but not gonna argue wit ya. i believe you. =)...

VtecTL

oh ...and again..i mention i love g35's?

F23A4

iforyou

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meowCat

LOL

K.O.!


Great find! iforyou.



The data further proves my thoughts about the TL cars have the tendency to do better the faster you go. Look at the high end and see how the TL starts to outpace... And I bet ya when you go past 100 the gap opens up even more. You can see the rate it's increasing, pulling from the G35.


I also noticed DaveB's car is modded. What's dat Z-Pipe thingy.. lol. It's modded! not the original factory G35. I am starting to wonder if that Z-pipe is helping with his G35 in the quarter mile run. I bet he took the spare tire and other parts out of his car, with low tank of gas. Because that number is unusual for the AT G35...even though the TL still outperformed it.

iforyou

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that Z-pipe thing doesnt add any power/torque from what I've read at some Nissan/Infiniti sites, I don't know if that's true though...I'm sure someone can find a dyno to prove that indeed it adds no power.

if you just go to google and do a search you will find that for 6MT TL (not type S), you can find there are some that run 14s flat. The ones with some mods will run mid to high 13's. You will also notice most of them dont do too well until after 200m (1/8 mile).

meowCat

I don't know about the Z-Pipe in particular, but from based on my experience and from what I have heard there are some exhaust/muffler out there that doesn't benefit in low end but they do better job at higher speeds.

Nice to know that the Standard 6MT cars can do 14 sec flat in quarter mile with the stock....

iforyou

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supercharged with no spare tire running 13.3s:
http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-TL-Timeslip-9647.html

TL 6MT with CAI and exhaust and drag tires running 14s (he said he could run below 14s if not because of the headwind):
http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-TL-Timeslip-8619.html

gotta go now!