MobTownTL

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so my friend and i have been talking for awhile to run our cars up against each other and see what happens. He has an 05 SRT-4 6spd and i have a 07 base TL 5at. so we finally decide to run a few times with me and my girl and him and his friend, the first race we started from a 40 roll, as i honk 3 times we both gun it, i floor it and get destroyed pretty bad, in a matter of seconds i'm on his back bumper and then he doubles the distance. the auto tranny completely fucked me over trying to race in 5th gear lol. i back off when i see he's that far ahead and i'm going around 80.

so later, we go for another 40 roll. this time i push it over to SS and i'm in second rolling at 40 when i honk 3 times. 2nd gear pure pleasure as i pull on him all the way to the top of the gear. THen i shift into 3rd and shit goes downhill lol. he catches up... quick. then i'm on his back bumper while pushing 80. I shut it down at 100 when i see he's still pulling a bit on me i was like shit, i knew he was gonna have the advantage cuz the roll and his 6spd but damn i got straight up left behind eating his ass gas oh wells you win some you lose some...

anyways, i think with a few mods i'll be able to hang X_x... hopefully. lol but yeahs, noticing how no one else in this forum has posted a race against an SRT-4, maybe no one feels like messing with them or they just got beat as bad as i did x_X wondering how a type-s does with them or maybe a fully bolted base, 5at or 6spd. anyone have any input?

justinl401

I remember I played with one a while ago. We didnt get to run em for long due to traffic and suchbut when we gunned it we were pulling together, I dont think anyone pulled on each other. Im a stock 6MT w/ aspec

TylerT

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There's no way a 5AT will hang with a SRT-4 with a "few mods".

SatinSilverAV6

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Those SRT-4's are beasts for what they are. A TL-S 6spd would be a great match for a SRT-4! Even a TL 6spd could probobly hold its own depending on the driver. Good runs Mobtown!

ILLustriousUA6

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@ 40mph, you should NOT be in 2nd gear. Tell him u wanna do a 30 roll, and try to stay at around 29mph and then 3 honks, and take off. Shift right before redline. Practice makes perfect, keep on practicing and you should be fine.

One of my buddies SRT-4 is smoking a lot of cars that he shouldn't be smoking.. He dyno'd at 402 WHP while some other SRT-4 dyno'd @ 44xWHP on the SAME DAY. They raced right after and my buddy smoked him.. He has a 50trim right now and is planning on goin bigger soon. Dude was in disbelief and took apart his whole entire car to rebuild, just to smoke my friend.. Dunno what the story is now, but I bet the way you drive your car depends on driver. If you have that much power in the car and don'tknow how to drive it, it's useless.. I beleive he's the fastest SRT-4 in the bay area.. He holds the Title/belt in the bay, lol.

SO learn to drive your car and you might be able to keep up. But SRT-4's with minor mods will smoke you badly...

justinl401

Now that I think of it... funny story about a SRT-4 owner.. I was at the bar one night, and a friend of my friend that I was their with and I got into a convo about cars. He had an SRT-4 which is a fast car, im not trying to dis-credit it ( However, I dont consider them in the Acura category because that is a sports car and it should smoke our car IMO because we have a heavy luxary sedan) But anyway, I told this guy my car was stock except for a-spec and he was trying to tell me a-spec is vtec! And that is all I have to say about srt-4's and their owners...

MobTownTL

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hmm, i was figuring 6spd TL/TL-S would put up better fights but i mean cmon, he told me the SRT was factory rated at like 250 hp =\ maybe underrated a hella lot? but i still didnt think the outcome was gonna be that bad lol. but yeahs he did get the advantage of going on a roll to spool his turbo easier.

MobTownTL

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hmm have any experience with srt's? what do you think it will take then xP at least against a stock SRT lol

MobTownTL

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yeahs, i knew they were infamous for being so quick for so damn cheap. but thanks anyways xP i would like to see a modded TL or at least a base TL-s run against one.

TylerT

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I have 0 racing experience vs SRT-4s because every single one of them in my area is modified.

Go figure, ~$1500 can make it low 13s.

By the way, I wouldn't go from a 40mph roll .. go from a 50mph roll in 2nd and you should be in the peak of your powerband.

t0talacuratl

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I've raced a couple of modded SRT's on a roll and pulled at least less than a car on them. They had to be lacking upgraded turbos. Not to take away from my car; it's a beast! To the OP, you need all my mods to have a better chance to hang.

MobTownTL

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^^^ haha yeahs i figured i needed to be boosted to keep up with the already boosted xP but my 5at is really what kills me.

MobTownTL

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i feel ya. but then even if i go from 50, the problem i had was 3rd gear =[ so as soon i hit 3rd it was soooo slowww x_X i think maybe from a dig i'll have a better chance and pray that he gets some turbo lag LOL

MobTownTL

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hmm what do you mean i shouldn't be in 2nd gear at 40? and yeahs i've heard of the power SRT's can make on the stock turbo for nickels and dimes x_X techinically they are in the same class as STI's and EVO's being factory turboed 4 bangers, and i'm guessing their engines are just as responsive .

TylerT

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From a dig you'll get creamed haha, unless he totally screws up his launch.

Sonnick

SRT4s are 5spd

Usually, a stock 5AT TL will not hang with an SRT4 even if it was stock, driver dependent. They are pretty quick..

alexSU

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I was about to say that The SRT4's either came with 215HP or 230HP in 2005, so they are pretty quick. And they weight almost 600 pounds less then a TL.

MobTownTL

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ohs, ahha i dont know, all i knew was it was MT, and yeahs i figured he was pretty light xP

Majofo

I think his point was that you have little pull before you redline and need to shift to 3rd from 40.. if start back at 30 you'll have a longer decent pull in 2nd.

Sonnick

A 40 roll is the imfamous "2nd gear pull" unless you get something with long gears like a Z06. The TL's 2nd gear starts around 40mph so it was the perfect gear to be in. If he was in 3rd there wouldn't be enough power to put up a good fight and in 1st, well, I don't even think 1st goes to 40

Majofo

You know he has an A/T right? Can you hold the 07 in first? I can't remember what year they changed the electronic shift logic.

Sonnick

Yes but whether he was 6MT or 5AT it doesn't matter, 40 roll you should be in 2nd.

MobTownTL

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what he said. lol

my 3rd gear is the gear i hate the most. its like unbelieveably slow xP

my first goes to like 30, so 40 in 2nd is just right and i pull pretty long and hard in second.

i can actually keep it in first from like 1-30ish i guess and it'll just either bang off the limiter or i'll slow down, but once i'm in second around 40 i can't downshift back into first =\

Majofo

Downshifting into first at 40 is a no-no.. The shift is electronically controlled to prevent mechanical damage / failure on part of the operator. I didn't say he shouldn't be in 2nd @ 40.. ILL-UA6 suggested to roll at 29/30 so you have more time deep in 2nd.. get it?.. if you know you can't beat him at 40.. roll at 29.. that way he'll be playing catch up while you're in 3rd.

SatinSilverAV6

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Exactly!

MobTownTL

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ohs, makes sense haha, thanks for the tip. hmm im guessing its a bad idea to downshift into 1st at 30 too huh?

Majofo

at 30.. I wouldn't shift from D to L.. but I don't think you'll damage anything.. it will probably shift to 1st but that's at the top of the range. I have a picture of the logic shift range.. I'll post it if I find it.

SatinSilverAV6

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Well you could always slow down a bit more to get it into 1st and then speed up to 30MPH. You would probobly be at 5500rpm or so would be my guess.

Sonnick

I'm still confused as to why some claim a 30 roll in 2nd is better than 40 in 2nd. At 40, the car is at a higher RPM and more in the powerband. If you can't pull in 2nd gear at 40, you most certainly won't pull in 2nd at 30..unless I'm misunderstanding something

SatinSilverAV6

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I didn't understand his post either. Most certainly you would not want to be in second at 30MPH. You would not be in VTEC and would not get the most out of the powerband. 1st gear at 30MPH or 2nd Gear at 40MPH would make sense to me.

MobTownTL

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lol uhh D to L? no i meant in SS downshifting lol x_X

Majofo

L (low gear) should be the same as first and should shift up to 2nd.. I'm assuming it is driven more by hydraulic input controls and not by the same shift logic controls as SS (I could be wrong). If you can downshift to 1st @ 30 in SS mode then the controls are saying that's an acceptable range but you probably wouldn't have much pull until redlining.. Just assuming.. I haven't run the TL in that range.

To be honest while this discussion can be interesting.. running your tranny like this will start wearing down your ATF fast and Z1 is not a great thermal lubricant so it heats up fast and will wear fast at high temps. It'll then start eating your bands and you'll be on a new tranny in no time..

The TL is fun but it'll never be a 12 sec car.. CAI / UR Pulley / Precat deletes / 3rd cat delete / CT S/C / Methanol injection.. it still won't have the ponies to hang.. and with the price and labor involved you might as well just buy an SRT4 (they're dirt cheap).. I've seen lightly modded SRT4's putting down close to 400hp with a turbo upgrade / SRI & increased downpipe volume.. The TL not even the Type-S could ever match the potential of the SRT4..

paliknight

thats because they are 2 different classes. one is mainly sport/performance and the other is more of a sports luxury sedan. neither the TL nor the Type-S were really made for performance. hence the FWD.

Majofo

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ssmtl2nv

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this is where a s/c comes in handy....

MobTownTL

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^^ lol, keeping your TL s/c'd ssm? i bet you would pull on an srt-4 with ease huh?