bouncer07

Both Stock.

My acura vs my brother's G35 sedan- both stock. I knew I was going to lose, but how bad?

Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZgBNjDsryM

Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riRQjBwEjsE

As I downed to 3rd, the gears on the TL is so long!! When I'm on 6K RPM, the G35 already shifted into 4th. I was thinking of the same short gear, but I was on the G35's rear til I slowed down for cars.

2003 G35 RWD sedan 6spd - 14.4 quarter mile

I'm thinking of 14.6 - 14.8 for the TL since my nose was on the G35's rear the whole time.

I used to have a 2006 Civic SI with 230whp and did 13.8 @ 99mph with IPS K2 cams, full bolt-ons tuned on Flashpro so I track frequent.

3.2L vs 3.5L... seems like the TL-S would be an even match. Just to enjoy the videos...

Getting TL-S cam installed, J-pipe, and CAI. Will see how far I walk the VQ motor.

SatinSilverAV6

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Nice races man! Glad to see you got them on video. The 03 G35 Sedan 6spd is a easy low 14 second ride with lots of torque. I have seen traps around 99-100MPH. The TL 6MT isn't far behind though. It is capable of 14.4ish around 97-98MPH stock. Basic I/E will even out the score card. Add a J-pipe and or pre-cat deletes and you will pull on the G even without TL-S cams.

Sonnick

Your bro looks like an OG in the 1st vid lol.

Dave_B

The cars look pretty evenly matched. It appears to me he was getting jump on you every time.

anx1300c

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Your car is capable of better than 14.6-14.8. What speed/gear were you in when you started these rolls?

04TL6SPEED

+1 it did look like he had the slight jump on you every race.

justnspace

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Im with anx, what speed/rpm were you in?

DisgustipatedAP1

Dude, are you serious? 03 G35 6 speeds are horribly slow, at least .5-.8 slower in the quarter and they trap like 3-4 MPH less. A stock 6MT TL can pull similar 1/4 mile traps to your old Si...

Not trying to be rude but you need a driver mod. You should be raping your brother's G35 from a roll or a dig, period.

Edit: Yeah, you need a driver mod BADLY. Your brother had a passenger, you were by yourself and he STILL beat you? Damn that's bad. You need to practice shifting OR your engine is messed up somehow, maybe both. Plus why would you start in 3rd gear @ 6k RPM? That initial shift just slows you down...

F23A4

The "driver mod" would only be needed with respect to the reaction time. Other than that, both cars should be fairly even.

Dave_B

LOL. Wut? My 03 automatic G35 sedan did 14.3s bonestock and not at a very quick track either. Most stock 6MT TLs go 14.2-14.4.

Bread-A Spec

you are right...becuz 3.2L vs 3.5L...i own a 2G Type S before and tried with my buddy mom's car 2008 Accord V6 auto(which is the 3.5L)one,i had intake,lower and catback exhaust,i still lose...it was becuz 3.2L vs 3.5L problem....

i bet a 3G Type S bone stock even auto will the 03 G 6speed

anx1300c

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justnspace

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bouncer07

We started in 50 mph. Will do a 2nd gear roll and see what the outcome will be. I may need a tune up.

01clsstock

You dont need a tune up. You just need to leave on the 2nd honk like your brother

SatinSilverAV6

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I have seen 14.1 for stock G35 6MT Sedans pre-07. Traps around 99MPH. Should be a pretty even race with a TL-6MT stock as we saw in the vids.

Sonnick

I'm not too sure where you got your numbers from, but they are off. You basically said the G35 6 speed runs high 14s/low 15s in the 1/4. That would put it in stock Civic SI territory, which is not true. Many of the revup variants trap 100-102 bone stock, leading me to believe a DE would trap somewhere between 98-100 with 18 less hp (although 05 is when the SAE requirements changed). I've seen a couple trap over 100 if my memory serves correct.

dgsedan06

^ +1. My 06 G35 runs high 13s and traps 100mph+... I have a few bolt-ons, though.

Sonnick

Where are you located?

dgsedan06

I'm between long island and Brooklyn throughout the day.

Sonnick

Oh sh1t I'm in Nassau county

TylerT

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If you two race, make sure to get it on video!

dgsedan06

Im down lol I race my cousins SRT8 in LI all the time...

dgsedan06

Good to know.

Hotwired05

damn good race, very close. I wonder if your brother had an auto G35 would the outcome be the same...

Teteux

Good video! The outcome is exactly what it should be! The VQ is just more powerful.

F23A4

With my son living part of his existence in Queens, maybe all three of you should collaborate......just keep it safe out there though.

dgsedan06

^ Bump @ this quote... I raced an AT TL with some sort of exhaust mod ( could be a j pipe) in Brooklyn. Tan exterior. Looks like you had a really bad launch; would love to race again. Hopefully I can line up with sonnick and a TL-S soon.

07tlsWDP

I can't see the videos since I'm at work, but it sounds like you should have started in 2nd gear? Were you guys starting at about 50 mph?

bouncer07

It was high 50's as it was day time and there was traffic we were holding on the fast lane so didn't want to drop any lower than the posted highway speed. If it was darker out with less cars, we would had all the speed we could on the freeway. But consider with traffic, 3rd gear roll was the best choice with traffic. Just wanted to see how I stacked up against the G35. The sedan is lighter than the coupes and with the coupes, I'm even.

Sonnick

If you started in 3rd at 55mph, that's not a great RPM for us. The VQ35 has a much broader torque curve, not to mention shorter gears as well. At 55mph, he is at the bottom of 3rd as well, but with his shorter gears, it's easier for him to make that up. Do a 45mph roll in 2nd, then a 60-65mph roll in 3rd. Then see what happens.

Rockstar21

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i like to do short sprints on the hwy from like 60-90 as much as the next guy..

but its dead stop - finish line or nothing!

even if i lose, i'd rather lose to the driver and not the powerband of the car!
anyone can shift 3rd-5th!

take em to the track and just out-man him!

mazdaspeed3God

Not if the driver doesn't shift at correct shift points. Drivers make all the difference whether it's from dig or roll. You must be new...

To OP, did you shift at 6k rpm on your TL? If so, that is the problem. You need to bring it up to at least 6.5k rpm, or more, maybe 6.7k then shfit. These cars shine at high rpms.

It is definitely the driver fail in this race. If the TL was driven right, it would have pulled on the G35 6MT.

anx1300c

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F23A4

...yeah, my head hurts too.

bouncer07

Didn't want to respond after many months but since it's my post and I opened this I want to end all talks with this last comment.
I did not shift at 6, did not shift at 6.7, but I did shift at 7. TL's does not shine at high RPM as they shine right at mid range.
I've driven many cars from AWD, RWD, FWD in many years of my life from 3000GT VR4 to 98 GST to 99GSX, to 05 EVO to 06 SI, and 300ZX to 350z as I've own and tracked.
If this is drivers fail, I would not have broken records set by me. But aside from all that, I contribute my life on autocross and drag racing for the past 11 years. I'm not the best, I'm not DRIFT KING, I have techniques on different platform I could use on FWD, but the video states the facts. Of course if you live in Marland or California, those race tracks show the best times I've ever will see if I were to run my car and try to duplicate theirs, is IMPOSSIBLE. The elevation here will never be as near perfect as those tracks and the air/temp will never compare their summer vs my summer.

I've been doing lots of research on the TL lately and came across the "checkvalve delete". My 05 TL during the races had lots of pressure when I was at near redline, my clutch pedal would stall, taking it's sweet time to come back down.

We went again this winter as we barely have any snow this season but the road was great, the weather condition was great. I did not record it this time, but the outcome is different with my check valve delete on the slave cylinder.

With the CVD (check-valve Delete) the timing of shifting and the RPM grabbing when it should be grabbing that a certian RPm when I was shifting dramatically changed the race.

I was neck and neck on 1 race and was up a fender/door by another race both from 40 MPH - 110MPH.

So if this was drivers race, our TL manual from factory has disadvantages to a driver. Call it whatever you want, the outcome changed when I deleted the CVD off the slave cylinder.

Stock per stock, The TL would be neck and neck, with CVD.
Stock per stock, the TL would hang on the rear doors, w/o CVD mod.

End of my conclusion on my thread.

Sonnick

^^ Very good to know. Did your brother have a passenger this time as well? If not, the slave mod may be better than you think And if that's the case, I better get on it!

bouncer07

We both had no passenger otherwise I would have had it recorded. But I explained it very detailed.

I meant end of the G35 Vs TL is because I no longer will be stock so the comparision will be different. But others who can beat G35 6pd rwd on their complete stock TL, kudos to you.


As for the forum about the Slave mod, kudo's to Opel.
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/113-removal-slave-cylinder-check-valve-734300/

The cure to shifting fast!

mY sLOW UA6

My next mod.

Sonnick

That's great news! The slave cylinder helped you make up over a car it looks like. I'm not sure if this is enough to call it "proof" based on 2 races, but enough to make me want to do it even more now.