03 TL-S vs. 03 Maxi
10-21-2007, 01:16 PM
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03 TL-S vs. 03 Maxi
I ran a auto Maxipad with I/H/E. we did 2 runs from a dig. i was able to pull a car length both runs. we also did 2 rolls from a 30 and i was able to pull on him right off the bat. he was a nice kid we talked for a little while.
10-21-2007, 02:14 PM
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03 3.5 maximas arent a joke.. i doubt u even beat him to be honest with you if he had h/i/e......
btw i had a 95 supercharged maxima so i know about maximas oh 2 well.
btw i had a 95 supercharged maxima so i know about maximas oh 2 well.
10-21-2007, 02:41 PM
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oh i beat him.....it wasnt the first time i picked on a 3.5 so i kno wht i was against and i know what they are capable of. if he had the 6spd id be a lil bit shook but u put me against an auto ill walk away everytime.
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10-21-2007, 04:27 PM
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Good kill. If you beat him off the line then it sounds like he may have had some traction issues...a common characteristic for 5.5G Maximas and 3.5L Altimas.
kosstick, 3.5L Maximas with I/H/E should be able to more than hold its own again an 02-03 TL-S with like mods. With a 6MT (and similar mods), the 5.5G Maxima can run with the 2G G35/IS350/3G TL-S trifecta. Here are a couple of good examples: LINK and LINK
Sidenote: I was sportin' around in my wife's cousin 5.5G (formerly, my 02 Maxima) last night, noting how anemic the lowend in my AV6 is by comparison. I really am considering, transferring the lease on my 07 AV6 (to my mother in law, who really likes the car) and reacquiring a 5.5G 6MT.
kosstick, 3.5L Maximas with I/H/E should be able to more than hold its own again an 02-03 TL-S with like mods. With a 6MT (and similar mods), the 5.5G Maxima can run with the 2G G35/IS350/3G TL-S trifecta. Here are a couple of good examples: LINK and LINK
Sidenote: I was sportin' around in my wife's cousin 5.5G (formerly, my 02 Maxima) last night, noting how anemic the lowend in my AV6 is by comparison. I really am considering, transferring the lease on my 07 AV6 (to my mother in law, who really likes the car) and reacquiring a 5.5G 6MT.
10-21-2007, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kosstick
5.5g?
i dont think he had traction issues, didnt hear any wheel spin from him. we both brake torqued it.
10-21-2007, 05:48 PM
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A brake torque launch in the 5.5G Maxima automatically results in wheelspin, unless it is on R compounds (or slicks).
10-21-2007, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
A brake torque launch in the 5.5G Maxima automatically results in wheelspin, unless it is on R compounds (or slicks).
10-21-2007, 10:17 PM
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I don't know about how well maximas respond to mods, but judging from the numbers, maxima has an extra 0.3L displacement for more torque, on the other hand, the TL has one extra gear to sort of make things up. Then the OP's car has spacer and aftermarket pulleys which the maxima doesn't have, so..I don't think it's that surprising that the OP won...is it?
By the way, I drove a 5.5G maxima auto for many times when I was a lot boy. I even went on a few roadtrips (ie, driving customers around) in it, gotta love that growl when starting the engine!
By the way, I drove a 5.5G maxima auto for many times when I was a lot boy. I even went on a few roadtrips (ie, driving customers around) in it, gotta love that growl when starting the engine!
10-22-2007, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Eoanou
Dude like seriously, you need to call a brother when you head out to Berlin Turnpike.
10-22-2007, 10:06 AM
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they arent no joke but its not hard to beat one either...i run wit one pretty often around here...1st time we raced she beat me ( yes its a girl drivin it) she has I/H/E but they have so much torque they get the jump on me everytime...but after i hit 2nd gear vtec eats away at the no topend havin 3.5L that those cars have....im sure he beat the car especially if the guy didnt know how to drive and ive noticed that the 5.5G maxes dont use CAI which really helps in the upper RPM range and in cold weather...good kill
mess wit the 6spd tho and u will get demolished...unless u have a 6spd of course
mess wit the 6spd tho and u will get demolished...unless u have a 6spd of course
10-22-2007, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by L's TL
they arent no joke but its not hard to beat one either...i run wit one pretty often around here...1st time we raced she beat me ( yes its a girl drivin it) she has I/H/E but they have so much torque they get the jump on me everytime...but after i hit 2nd gear vtec eats away at the no topend havin 3.5L that those cars have....im sure he beat the car especially if the guy didnt know how to drive and ive noticed that the 5.5G maxes dont use CAI which really helps in the upper RPM range and in cold weather...good kill
mess wit the 6spd tho and u will get demolished...unless u have a 6spd of course
mess wit the 6spd tho and u will get demolished...unless u have a 6spd of course
10-23-2007, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Monte TLS,MAX
There top end is not that bad as most earlier 3.5's (the newer versions do better on high but sacrifice a bit of low end) , the low to mid more than makes of for any lackings that the earlier verisons may have. I have never had a problem with a Stock 02/23 TL's and really not with the 04-07 TL standard. I use to have TL's btw as well.
Same here. 
10-23-2007, 03:58 PM
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I get so tired hearing about how the VQ35DEs in the Maximas have no topend. Mod for mod, the VQ35DE blows the TL motor (whatever it's name is) out of the water. In bonestock form, a stock 5.5 gen Maxima auto will see about 93-94mph in the 1/4 mile and the 6MT will see 97-98mph. IMO, that's hardly lacking any topend seeing that 3rd gen TLs fair no better with regards to trapspeed. Start adding fairly easy mods to the 5.5 gen and you'll easily add 3-5mph. There are numerous NA modded 5.5 gens, auto and manauals, in the 13.2 to 13.7 range. No just one car, like the elusive 13.7-second NA TL everyone seems to swing by on this site, we're talking about more than 10. There are even NA 5.5 6MT gens in the 12.7-12.9 range with no changes to the heads, cams, block, or crank and no serious weight reduction either. I don't understand where this notion that TLs have this massive topend comes from either. If they had strong topend, their trapspeeds would reflect it in relation to the ETs they pull. Strong topend would mean a TL pulling 14.6s with a 2.2 60 foot, but clearing the MPHs in the 100mph range, not the typical 95mph range.
10-23-2007, 04:06 PM
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i had an 00 maxi before the tl-s (it was a 5th gen w/ 3.0 engine NOT the beastly 3.5)... i personally miss it still even though my tl is more powerfuly....im thinking pretty hard about getting into a 5.5 gen 6 speed as so many are for sale on maxima.org. it held its value a little worse than the tl-s did so im thinking of selling and buying one with comparable options/mileage as the tl to save a few bucks i would in no way feel as though its a downgrade.
s1ck good kill i personally think he should've held his own a little better though (not doubting u did beat him though, just questioning his cars condition or maybe his driving)
s1ck good kill i personally think he should've held his own a little better though (not doubting u did beat him though, just questioning his cars condition or maybe his driving)
10-23-2007, 07:03 PM
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2nd TL-S stock will trap 96mph.
I think a better way of saying it is that, the TL is lacking low end, so RELATIVELY speaking, the maxima "feels" like it doesnt have strong top end, ie, the Maxima pulls hard all the time at all rpm, while TL pulls harder at high rpm than low rpm.
Anyways, aren't there more Maximas out on the road? Aren't they cheaper than a TL? If the 1st is true, then most likely there are modded ones on the road. If the 2nd is true, then higher % of people owning the car will mod since not as many people would mod a more expensive car. Then also take into account of the CL (which didn't sell many copies) since it's also part of the family.
Anyways, CL-S 5AT NA: 13.3s@106mph.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-CL-Timeslip-7259.html
I think a better way of saying it is that, the TL is lacking low end, so RELATIVELY speaking, the maxima "feels" like it doesnt have strong top end, ie, the Maxima pulls hard all the time at all rpm, while TL pulls harder at high rpm than low rpm.
Anyways, aren't there more Maximas out on the road? Aren't they cheaper than a TL? If the 1st is true, then most likely there are modded ones on the road. If the 2nd is true, then higher % of people owning the car will mod since not as many people would mod a more expensive car. Then also take into account of the CL (which didn't sell many copies) since it's also part of the family.
Anyways, CL-S 5AT NA: 13.3s@106mph.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-CL-Timeslip-7259.html
10-23-2007, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
2nd TL-S stock will trap 96mph.
I think a better way of saying it is that, the TL is lacking low end, so RELATIVELY speaking, the maxima "feels" like it doesnt have strong top end, ie, the Maxima pulls hard all the time at all rpm, while TL pulls harder at high rpm than low rpm.
Anyways, aren't there more Maximas out on the road? Aren't they cheaper than a TL? If the 1st is true, then most likely there are modded ones on the road. If the 2nd is true, then higher % of people owning the car will mod since not as many people would mod a more expensive car. Then also take into account of the CL (which didn't sell many copies) since it's also part of the family.
Anyways, CL-S 5AT NA: 13.3s@106mph.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-CL-Timeslip-7259.html
I think a better way of saying it is that, the TL is lacking low end, so RELATIVELY speaking, the maxima "feels" like it doesnt have strong top end, ie, the Maxima pulls hard all the time at all rpm, while TL pulls harder at high rpm than low rpm.
Anyways, aren't there more Maximas out on the road? Aren't they cheaper than a TL? If the 1st is true, then most likely there are modded ones on the road. If the 2nd is true, then higher % of people owning the car will mod since not as many people would mod a more expensive car. Then also take into account of the CL (which didn't sell many copies) since it's also part of the family.
Anyways, CL-S 5AT NA: 13.3s@106mph.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-CL-Timeslip-7259.html
10-23-2007, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
I get so tired hearing about how the VQ35DEs in the Maximas have no topend. Mod for mod, the VQ35DE blows the TL motor (whatever it's name is) out of the water. In bonestock form, a stock 5.5 gen Maxima auto will see about 93-94mph in the 1/4 mile and the 6MT will see 97-98mph. IMO, that's hardly lacking any topend seeing that 3rd gen TLs fair no better with regards to trapspeed. Start adding fairly easy mods to the 5.5 gen and you'll easily add 3-5mph. There are numerous NA modded 5.5 gens, auto and manauals, in the 13.2 to 13.7 range. No just one car, like the elusive 13.7-second NA TL everyone seems to swing by on this site, we're talking about more than 10. There are even NA 5.5 6MT gens in the 12.7-12.9 range with no changes to the heads, cams, block, or crank and no serious weight reduction either. I don't understand where this notion that TLs have this massive topend comes from either. If they had strong topend, their trapspeeds would reflect it in relation to the ETs they pull. Strong topend would mean a TL pulling 14.6s with a 2.2 60 foot, but clearing the MPHs in the 100mph range, not the typical 95mph range.
10-23-2007, 11:45 PM
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I don't believe that can be true unless those cars are spraying a 75 shot or better and have every bolt-on and a really good tune. That is C6 territory and no NA Maxima that doesn;'t have a fully built engine is going to touch a C6.
10-23-2007, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
I don't believe that can be true unless those cars are spraying a 75 shot or better and have every bolt-on and a really good tune. That is C6 territory and no NA Maxima that doesn;'t have a fully built engine is going to touch a C6.
10-24-2007, 01:49 AM
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it shouldn't be too surprising to see these cars running those times, i mean even NA civics can run those times.
12.8s
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-2592.html
12.7s
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-279.html
I guess it's like..how many people would mod a MB C320?
12.8s
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-2592.html
12.7s
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-279.html
I guess it's like..how many people would mod a MB C320?
10-24-2007, 11:31 AM
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A bunch of you guys are talking without knowing any sort of facts. I had a 95 5 speed maxima with a v2 stillen supercharger 250 walbro fuel pump, stock injectors, stock ecu tune, only boosting 8psi, I also had a mevi (Variable intake which was set to open up at 5100 rpms) Stillen y-pipe, stillen high flow cat, SP1 exhaust with suspension and tire work the car would easly put down a 12.1 with ease. If I had weight reduction with Dr's it would be mid to low 11's not uncommon. 4th gen maximas have light bodies. My 95 was an early made 95 which didnt have half of the shit a 96 had so the car itself weighed 3100 if not less.
My friend does 3.5 swaps in 4th gens and hands down Its basically stock, just has A STOCK 3.5 engine with no mods and he's running high 12's. Again no offense to honda/acura but they can't make an engine as good as the VQ series. They have to start by making a 4 cam timing chain v6 motor like totoya is now doing to step up their game.
All vq's make power at all rpms. Again I still think if someone who really knew how to drive that maxima you messed with, you would have been left behind, not far behind but def behind.
My friend does 3.5 swaps in 4th gens and hands down Its basically stock, just has A STOCK 3.5 engine with no mods and he's running high 12's. Again no offense to honda/acura but they can't make an engine as good as the VQ series. They have to start by making a 4 cam timing chain v6 motor like totoya is now doing to step up their game.
All vq's make power at all rpms. Again I still think if someone who really knew how to drive that maxima you messed with, you would have been left behind, not far behind but def behind.
10-24-2007, 02:00 PM
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The max is more moddable car and it takes to mods alot better than the J32...plus it has larger displacement...no auto max with the same mods as me is gona go from 0-100 bfore me...just wont happen...once im in vtec and stay in vtec i have the most of my horses at all times...the max's rev limter is like 6800 while im shifting at 7100...the 6spd max is a very nice car but the auto only has 4 gears!...everytime i have raced the 5.5 gen auto max with the same bolt ons its an even race until we hit about 80 and i pull everytime...vq's do make power at all rpms but the peak power is not made at the top of the rpm range like it is on the j32a2...the 3.5 is one of the nicest engines in the world...has been for a while now but in the 5.5 gen max it has been detuned...& last i checked honda/acura makes some of the nest 4 cylinders if not the best 4 bangers in the world
10-24-2007, 02:07 PM
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I get so tired hearing about how the VQ35DEs in the Maximas have no topend. Mod for mod, the VQ35DE blows the TL motor (whatever it's name is) out of the water. In bonestock form, a stock 5.5 gen Maxima auto will see about 93-94mph in the 1/4 mile and the 6MT will see 97-98mph. IMO, that's hardly lacking any topend seeing that 3rd gen TLs fair no better with regards to trapspeed. Start adding fairly easy mods to the 5.5 gen and you'll easily add 3-5mph. There are numerous NA modded 5.5 gens, auto and manauals, in the 13.2 to 13.7 range. No just one car, like the elusive 13.7-second NA TL everyone seems to swing by on this site, we're talking about more than 10. There are even NA 5.5 6MT gens in the 12.7-12.9 range with no changes to the heads, cams, block, or crank and no serious weight reduction either. I don't understand where this notion that TLs have this massive topend comes from either. If they had strong topend, their trapspeeds would reflect it in relation to the ETs they pull. Strong topend would mean a TL pulling 14.6s with a 2.2 60 foot, but clearing the MPHs in the 100mph range, not the typical 95mph range.
stock 2nd gen TLS traps 96-97mph...it doesnt see 14.6 stock because of the lack of low end grunt...
10-24-2007, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Monte TLS,MAX
It may be a few more but not many as Maxima production wen't way down for 02 and even moreso for 03 vs the prior years, this was intentional by Nissan.
As Nissan was in the process of reorienting that segment for the Altima, production numbers were intentionally (and relatively low). That said, 3.2TLs (P and S) were/are MUCH more common around here than 5.5G Maximas.
10-24-2007, 04:25 PM
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lol glad that I said "if" otherwise i would get flamed by all of you haha. Yea, I agree, Honda seriously needs to step up the game with DOHC VTEC V6 with direct injection at the very least. They did it before, it was awesome, but it was only on the NSX (no DI of course). Since next NSX is going to use a V10, I think it's really time for Honda to bring the new gen V6s. But nonetheless, J series is still pretty good for what they are. And L's TL, I agree, putting an engine in a lighter body doesn't mean that engine is good/bad.
10-25-2007, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
lol glad that I said "if" otherwise i would get flamed by all of you haha. Yea, I agree, Honda seriously needs to step up the game with DOHC VTEC V6 with direct injection at the very least. They did it before, it was awesome, but it was only on the NSX (no DI of course). Since next NSX is going to use a V10, I think it's really time for Honda to bring the new gen V6s. But nonetheless, J series is still pretty good for what they are. And L's TL, I agree, putting an engine in a lighter body doesn't mean that engine is good/bad.
A DOHC iVTEC V6 (cam phasing) with DI would/should be impressive. Throwing in some IMA (Integrated Motor Assist) would make it even more interesting. Not having a production V8, Honda should have developed something like this for the RL but, I digress.On topic....or more towards the thread direction: From the original 190hp VQ30DE to the 330hp VQ37HR, there is a reason why the VQ has appeared on Ward's 10 Best Engine list since 1995. But Honda does have the potential for similar success.
10-26-2007, 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
A DOHC iVTEC V6 (cam phasing) with DI would/should be impressive. Throwing in some IMA (Integrated Motor Assist) would make it even more interesting. Not having a production V8, Honda should have developed something like this for the RL but, I digress.On topic....or more towards the thread direction: From the original 190hp VQ30DE to the 330hp VQ37HR, there is a reason why the VQ has appeared on Ward's 10 Best Engine list since 1995. But Honda does have the potential for similar success.
No doubt VQ series is awesome, but sometimes I find it interesting that it doesn't appear in the International Engine Awards.
10-26-2007, 11:06 AM
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A DOHC iVTEC V6 (cam phasing) with DI would/should be impressive. Throwing in some IMA (Integrated Motor Assist) would make it even more interesting. Not having a production V8, Honda should have developed something like this for the RL but, I digress.On topic....or more towards the thread direction: From the original 190hp VQ30DE to the 330hp VQ37HR, there is a reason why the VQ has appeared on Ward's 10 Best Engine list since 1995. But Honda does have the potential for similar success.