aty06tl

Just curious if anyone has 0-60 times of the supercharged TL and the new TL-S.

Thanks,
Al

ding069

good question

BustedJack

I did a couple of runs back in June with a G-timer. If I recall, they average at 5.15

5.15, 5.2, 5.12, and 5.14 or around there.

Never driven a TL-S but it's significantly slower. It's rated at 5.7 for stock but I don't believe it's true.
I'd say the TL-S should put about 237whp on the dyno...

simont53

My type S has run consitently in the 5.7s using a G timer (that is for an Auto)

vincethe1

Where does it say the new type-s is rated at 5.7? Car and Driver did a 5.7 in the 2004 TL 6MT, so according to that it should be able to match your 5.1s. the type-s SAE hp rating is 286 so 237 seems awfully low at the wheels especially for a 6mt.

geekybiker

quarter mile ET and trap are really more effective in comparing two cars......
0-60 relies entirely too much on your 60' time (and gearing design specifically for a good published 0-60 time)

Inaccurate

I know I will probably regret making this comment. But, here goes anyway.

I am an old time drag racer. We are discussing 0-60 times, so that's drag racing. In drag racing, there are NO EXCUSES. You are either in front of the other guy or your'e not. Same with 0-60. Whoever has the lower 0-60 time is the winner in this discussion. NO EXCUSES. No whinning about lost traction, missed shifts, I got wrong gearing, my ass hurts, etc.

SouthernBoy

Yeah, me too. I spent a heck of a lot of time at the strips when I was in my late teens to early 20's. You quickly learn the difference between armchair racing and reality.

The old adage applies: You snooze, you lose.

BustedJack

boy... you have no idea how marketing works......

2004 6MT TL is rated at 5.7 but not many can actually get that number on actual road test. You have to factor the weather, tire traction and driver's ability to shift. In a perfect world with a perfect driver... yes you CAN get 5.7.
Most folks with TL that I know get well over 6.5~6.7 in 0-60mph.

A type S running 5.1 secs in 0-60mph is possible, but then again, it's in the magazine... you have to understand not all drivers can do 5.1 secs... so most of us will be disappointed when we use stop watch or the G-timer to run 0-60mph trap....

237whp isn't awfully low for a 2007 5AT, 2004 TL 5AT dyno'd at 224whp... so the 6MT should be around 247whp...

FORSITE

Sorry, but I dynoed my stock 2005 TL 5AT and it was only 204whp...really disappointing, but it is what it is...

aty06tl

I'm pretty positive that most of us here agree with INACCURATE & Southernboy on what they've pointed out. Drag racing is the name of the game and 0-60 is what it's all about.

Some of you give interesting numbers. Is it safe to say then that with a supercharger, you improve your 0-60 by 1 to 1.5 seconds? WOW! Imagine what the S/C will do for the TL-S! Really interesting!

Thank you all for sharing this information!

geekybiker

Okay first, drag racing isnt to 60mph. Its to a distance. Second 60mph is a pretty arbitrary number chosen long long ago that has little to do with the over all performance of an automobile. What Im getting at that is car makers often gear their car to avoid an extra shift before 60mph because that can cost them a tenth or two for magazine times. However the gearing to get to 0-60 without that extra shift may not be ideal for the car's power band. That same car geared to go to 54mph in 2nd may be slower 0-60 but will be a faster overall.

Its not a matter of excuses for who is faster, but rather that 0-60 really is just a poor indicator of overall performance. I say the quarter mile is a better indication of overall acceleration because you dont have the auto makers optimizing around it, and it gives cars with some traction issues time to use their power to their advantage. Plus it gives you both a time and velocity which as an old time drag racer you should know is alot more informative than just a 0-60 time.

Of course if you're talking about cars specifically designed around drag racing you'll run into the same issues again, But I assumed the OP was talking about street cars and answered as such.

BustedJack

My friend,
although your argument is agreeable, you must understand that 0-60mph stat is just one of the "many" performance measurement methods out there. 0-60 isn't a "poor" indicator of overall performance, it's just an indicator on how fast a car could do with in that speed.
1/4 mile run is great, but there are plenty of other methods; 1/8 mile run, 0-100mph run, 65~120mph, 35mph pull ~ 120mph and etc., It's just different way to compare a car that's all
For instance, A supra with a big single may have horrible 0~60mph time, but could be monsterous once it reaches 80mph+... most of my friends' Turbo IS300 put out crappy numbers when it comes to 1/4 mile (exampe: 785rwhp IS300 only does 11.2 seconds...) yet, when pulling against a viper on the highway, it could leave the vipers far behind...
some cars are built for top end, while others are build for low end.



I agree with you, in this topic originated by vincethe1, we're talking about 0-60mph comparison between 07 TLS and 04~06 S/C TL. Hence the force inductioned 04~06 TL wins... it's quite obvious...
now in terms of drag racing.. there are bracket races, plenty of 60 foot timers, knowing how to shift properly and launch the car at the right moment can make the difference between a win and a loss.
You could be "in front" of the other guy...yet you red lighted from the launch...hence you lose.

geekybiker

Yet when the vast majority of people ask "what does it do 0-60 in?" They could care less about the specific 0-60mph bracket and are instead interested in how powerful the car is.

I suppose its something like just quoting a peak HP number without seeing the power curve. Sure it tells you something about the performance, but its far from the whole story.

Final

[QUOTE=AcuraDriver2006]boy... you have no idea how marketing works......

2004 6MT TL is rated at 5.7 but not many can actually get that number on actual road test. You have to factor the weather, tire traction and driver's ability to shift. In a perfect world with a perfect driver... yes you CAN get 5.7.
Most folks with TL that I know get well over 6.5~6.7 in 0-60mph.
/QUOTE]

So many factors to consider, just because a pro from C&D ran 5.7 in your car doesnt mean you can head back to your hometown and match his times. Dont be ignorant.

SouthernBoy

Ok, here's what Car and Driver's May 2004 issue managed with an '04 A-Spec.

0-60, 5.6 seconds
1/4 mile, 14.3 seconds @ 99 MPH
0-100, 14.5 seconds.


Gentlemen;

There is absolutely nothing wrong using 0-60 times or 1/4 miles. Keep in mind, these are points of reference to act as an aid for buyers to help them take their car buying decisions with better information. That's all. If, instead of 0-60, a 0-50 time was used, it would also be fine since it would also establish a reference point.

The 0-60 run was adopted because at the time, a 60 MPH speed limit was common across the country.

Now here we see Car and Driver with a 5.6 time, but we might see MotorTrend turn in a 5.9 second time, and perhaps Automobile Mag hit on 6.2 seconds. Assuming all of the cars in such tests had the same setup (specifically the transmission), then other factors come into play. Temperature, humidity, track conditions, altitude. And then there is the car itself. No two TLs are identical, so there will be some minor differences there. How was the car driven its first few hundred miles? How many miles does it have on the odometer?

And finally, the driver. How proficient is the driver at launching and motivating a car down a drag strip? How does he shift? And at what RPMs does he shift?

Just too many variables. So the best thing is to get some kind of sense from road tests as to the car's capabilities and go from there.

A classic example. I owned a 1966 Chevelle SS 396 with the L34 360 HP engine (the only year that engine in that state of tune was ever made). I was the original owner and I ordered the car to my specifications, taking delivery 4 weeks and 2 days later. It had the M21 Muncie 4-speed, 3.73 gears, and nothing to rob engine power; no power steering, no power brakes (sintered metallic linings), and no A/C. Most of the magazines were showing 0-60 times of around 7.2 to 7.5 seconds for this car. After ordering it but before taking delivery, I began questioning my sanity for ordering such a slow machine. When it arrived and after sufficient breakin, I am here to tell you that with a free adjustment to the Holley carb and distributor and a slight initial timing advance, and with decent rubber out back, that Chevelle was a 13.2 to 13.3 second 1/4 mile machine which would equate to very low 5 second 0-60 runs.

So you can't always believe everything you see in these road tests. Hell, a box stock 2006 Z06 with tires cranked a 10.85 @ 129.5. Here's the link.

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/stock-c6-z06-drs-goes-10-85-%40-129-5-a-352049/

FlashG

So has anyone ever claimed a sub 14 second 1/4 mile time in a type 3 TL?

violarx

Kind of the same thread but different:

I ordered an '07 S with the 6 speed (3.5 liter, 286 HP). It arrives in mid December.

Has anyone seen performance figures (0-60, braking, slalom, etc.)? I haven't found any road tests & to my knowledge, Acura doesn't post any.

Thanks.

trancemission

This guy did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJi8Pevgrhk

FlashG

Wow that guy was really honking. I wonder what his secret is.

BustedJack

on a 3G TL fully stock is less likely with 5AT and perhaps 6MT with major weight reduction and some bolt-on modifications.

Againstallodds1 ran 13.2 on his 3G-TL but that was supercharged. Ryan also ran with 13.4 s/c'd and my best was last month at 13.5..

there are plenty of s/c'd TL hitting mid to low thirteens... but I believe a 6MT with slight mod can also pull high 13s....

I'd like to see a 2007 TL-S pulling some nice numbers at the track after a few mods

AcLove

[QUOTE=Final]Dont think that your time should be slower by almost a full second either. I drop the hammer on my 03 typeS and hit sixty in 6.2-6.6 all day long, and the mags say 6.2

trancemission

Hes on the site, cant recall his name right now but I do know that car is N/A. At least thats what he said.

AcLove

That was funny!!

geekybiker

What even more fun if you're comparing magazine time is that some magazines apply a SAE correction to their acceleration numbers while others dont.

violarx

The SAE correction starts timing acceleration only after the car has moved its first foot, as I recall. Road & Track uses this convention, so their results won't be matched by us regular folks.

Still, their results are comparable car to car, and I'd expect similar-accelerating to translate to similar real-world performance, just slower.

But I gather no one has seen published road test results on the '07 TL-S?

starsh0t

From what I understand in order to match magazine times, you'd better be willing to abuse the hell out of the car. It's possible to match/surpass it once the car gets properly broken in.

geekybiker

truth. They dont have to worry about drivetrain longevity, etc. Especially on cars like the s2000. You have to beat the piss out of it to get the magazine times from a standing start.