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Apple Carplay and Android Auto into RLX
Hey Guys,
Just got my 2014 RLX PAWS and wanted to add Android Auto. Had to dump by 2002 Acura TL after 350k Miles. Tranmission is whining and jumping out of gear. Anyways, I saw this on youtube and I know Navtool is pretty reputable. Posting to see if anyone else has done this. Planning to add this and wireless charging to the car. -Ken |
Finally Works
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I did the install first Friday in November, but it didn’t work. After working with support (very responsive) through that weekend it was determined that the RLX controls are different than what they were used to. Yesterday they were able to publish a firmware update to officially get CarPlay working. HDMI screen mirroring isn’t working for me at the moment, but I’m more interested in CarPlay first anyways. It is 100% plug and play, no wire splicing and the control are through the factory jog shuttle and directional pad. I’m still getting used to the controls, but Waze on the screen is fantastic. |
Hey KRock,
I just tried to install it over the weekend and it didn't work. It wouldn't do carplay or android auto. Can you take a screen shot of which software you used? I was talking them on Sunday and they said there was a software bug. Let me know! Right now I have a $500 paper weight and the entire guts of my car laying in the cabin. I took detailed pictures and also do a write up of the entire process. Thanks in advance. -Ken
Originally Posted by K.Rock
(Post 16343459)
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I did the install first Friday in November, but it didn’t work. After working with support (very responsive) through that weekend it was determined that the RLX controls are different than what they were used to. Yesterday they were able to publish a firmware update to officially get CarPlay working. HDMI screen mirroring isn’t working for me at the moment, but I’m more interested in CarPlay first anyways. It is 100% plug and play, no wire splicing and the control are through the factory jog shuttle and directional pad. I’m still getting used to the controls, but Waze on the screen is fantastic. |
Try doing the update again. The told me yesterday that they had released an update that would work. |
Yeah I just pinged them and they fixed it they said.... Hopefully my paper weight is going to do something tonight.
Thanks!
Originally Posted by K.Rock
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Try doing the update again. The told me yesterday that they had released an update that would work. |
Originally Posted by slider2828
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Yeah I just pinged them and they fixed it they said.... Hopefully my paper weight is going to do something tonight.
Thanks! There's probably quite a few of us who'd be interested in this. |
Originally Posted by K.Rock
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...but Waze on the screen is fantastic.
You have a 2016, so I assume we're talking Advance package and Krell Audio? |
Originally Posted by George Knighton
(Post 16344089)
And the Waze instructions and warnings play over the car's audio system, just as they ought to?
You have a 2016, so I assume we're talking Advance package and Krell Audio? The NavTool has a several T interface wires and one of them intercepts the AUX signal at the back of the screen. You run jumper RCAs from the NavTool to these RCAs. Then the sounds is all piped in through the Aux input. Disclaimer: It’s highly recommended to not go this route and instead run cables to the 3.5mm Aux input at the console. I have quite a bit of ground loop interference. I’m going to eventually take my T Aux cable out and do this, but temporarily I put in a ground loop isolator and that has seemed to eliminate the noise. I ended up mounting my NavTool in the glovebox. I had to take the glovebox out to put in lighted door sills, so it has worked out great because it makes it really easy to update the firmware. CarPlay sound input has a separate Mic input that you have to use. I haven’t hooked mine up yet to test. But even with CarPlay you can still make and receive calls over Bluetooth just fine. You cannot use Siri without the Mic hooked up. |
Hey Guys,
Sorry to go dark on this. Was just having a bunch of issues with Android. I guess I will do a step by step tomorrow. I detailed my installation in hopes to help out fellow members here. I installed it the exact same way in the video by T-ing into RCAs and don't get any interference. I am also RLX Advance with Krell. All audio is piped through the system. I installed mine deep into the throat of the console stack. Seems to work fine and to my surprise it there is enough room. All the wires pipe out into the driver side, so technically no one can see it unless you know where to pull up the wire. HDMI to mini DVI tested out fine on my laptop, so that connection is fine. But Android Auto keeps on crashing and freezing. They are claiming that you need to be on Android Pie and with the latest Android. (This pissed me off as most people other than Pixel phones don't have Pie yet.) So Android auto right now is useless garbage at least on my Samsun S8+. Will be back to add pictures soon! -ken |
The reason I put my in the glovebox is that way I can get to it to apply updates or change cables, etc. |
Previous Post, I can't delete.
So Here is a quick step by Step K Rock Put up the install video. Watch it a few times to get familiar. This video also helped me understand how to take all the trims apart. At this moment in time, 12/15/2018, Android Auto DOES NOT work. It starts and crashes on my S8+. Navtool says its because the system requires Pie which is Android 9 and unless you have a Pixel 3, I can't get it work. I will update this thread as I will downgrade from Oreo to Nougat to see if that fixes the problem, but YMMV. Tools - Quarter inch ratchet with a 10mm on it and a short extension. Must have. Screw Driver - Philips medium and Small spade screw driver. Must have. Allen wrench set - Must have. RCA Left and Right Cable. Must have. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...4afcc496a6.jpg Whats in the package https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...9470264e88.jpg Initial Setup on the software which is required https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...7e335cc8dd.jpg Start by removing driver side right leg kick panel. Literally just yank https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...ff0045afb0.jpg Pull the center joystick column out. Literally put your finger where the little end of each side of the joystick column and pull towards you. This thing is on tight and there is nothing to jimmy. Just pull as hard as you can. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...9ac5573bd6.jpg Once done remove all the cables. They are all just little tabs that you push in to release the cable from the socket. There is one upside down as shown in the below picture https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...c6ee66298f.jpg Once the cables are all out, I turned on the car and shift it into neutral to give me more room to remove the joystick column. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...2520dd87bf.jpg After joystick column is removed, use that 1/4" drive 10mm socket and look up at the center console. You will see darker screw with the philips in the middle. THAT is the screw you need to remove on both sides. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...f8bc909456.jpg Once you have taken out two of those screws, its time to remove the passenger side heater grill. Its one piece and you pull on the end nearest to the passenger side door. It just comes out. BUT BECAREFUL, once you pop a few out, there is a little wire to the sensor. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...16d8425d6f.jpg This little wire. Unclip and move on https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...6b2ad1ac96.jpg Pull out the other heater trim that surrounds the center screen by also tugging on the lower right hand side. Once again BECAREFUL! There is a little cable attached to the heater sensor. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...3ca15f7aa4.jpg This little bastard https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...533605b15e.jpg Once those are removed and there are a few more philips screws visible in the front. Just remove them and ignore my finger in the picture. It just points to where you yank. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...f9e5ecb97f.jpg Once you yank the whole think will come out. I basically removed all the cabling to see what I am working with. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...30bc27b5db.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...394cf38505.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...ed7a723f2f.jpg These are the 2 plugs you splice in with the new harness https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...f0f714dd5a.jpg This is the digial video feed cable. It replaces the current cable. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...3a2f5f4cdc.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...c981e79592.jpg Once you follow the youtube video and connect everything. You need to remove the top screen. To do so there is a philips screw in the ceiling of the bezel. remove it. Then take a screw driver and remove the bezel as well https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...04defcfe98.jpg Now there is another screw that holds the top part of the screen in. Remove the screw. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...05e16e37f1.jpg Now this part is nerve racking because the screen is literally clipped in 4 spots. As you can see I used as BIG as an allen wrench I could fit in there. As close to the lower left and / or right hand corner of the screen, I pulled as HARD as I could. I used latex gloves to give me more grip for pulling. It will eventually pop out a little. Once it does, just angle it to the right and remove the digital cable and stick in the new one and pass it down to the center screen section and connect to the Navtool hub. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...3bbad003fc.jpg Once that is done. Test the hub before putting everything back. To test, you need to go to the Auxiliary Audio screen and hold the Back Button. The secret menu will now pop up. Test your android auto or car play. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...5b71f123fb.jpg I even tested the HDMI screen mirroring and it looks good. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...88dd01fe9c.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...1c58ad6349.jpg Once all the testing is done. I stuck my hub way into the throat of the car. It literally will lay flat to the hump / psuedo tranny tunnel there. I pointed the cables for HDMI, Android Auto / Carplay USB-C or Lightning Cable, and the USB update cable towards the driver side. This will allow me quick access to the cables. |
The agony of pulling out the top screen. I got stuck on that for like an hour. I was concerned with pulling thinking that there was a screw I was missing. Then I looked up the parts on a oem parts site and then my jaw dropped at how much that screen costs. That made me even more nervous about pulling it out. Every other cable is a T cable, why couldn’t they just have a T cable for the screen or at least connect both at the cable you unplug from the back of the radio. What is is interesting is your HDMI works and mine doesn’t. They are planning to post a second update after Christmas. I have inconsistencies with the reverse camera showing while in CarPlay and the front camera never shows when pressing the camera button. Microphone: Where did you place the Mic at? Firmware Updates: How are you going to unplug it to post a firmware update? |
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Originally Posted by K.Rock
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The agony of pulling out the top screen. I got stuck on that for like an hour. I was concerned with pulling thinking that there was a screw I was missing. Then I looked up the parts on a oem parts site and then my jaw dropped at how much that screen costs. That made me even more nervous about pulling it out. Every other cable is a T cable, why couldn’t they just have a T cable for the screen or at least connect both at the cable you unplug from the back of the radio. This was definitely the toughest part, but I think with a strong allen wrench and right against the bottom corner, it should pull out. What is is interesting is your HDMI works and mine doesn’t. They are planning to post a second update after Christmas. I have inconsistencies with the reverse camera showing while in CarPlay and the front camera never shows when pressing the camera button. So I got it working by using a HDMI to MINI-DVI port on my laptop. I think its a resolution issue. Trying changing 1024x768 or better on your source. I think it will work Is there a schedule? How did you know they are getting an update? Microphone: Where did you place the Mic at? I snaked it through to the left hand side of the steering column. In my experience its best mounted in line of your mouth. Never works well anywhere in the ceiling. Firmware Updates: How are you going to unplug it to post a firmware update? I have 3 cables that are permanently ran in between the center console and drivers chair. So I never need to pull out the unit or any covers. |
Oooh, so glad I ran into this. Need to get this for the MDX and I see that they have an option for my Silverado too. Temping on the Silverado since I was planning on just replacing the head unit with the new Alpine mechless unit.
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They were having issues with Google Android Auto, so there is an RMA out for it. But if you have an iPhone, Carplay works fine!
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Originally Posted by slider2828
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They were having issues with Google Android Auto, so there is an RMA out for it. But if you have an iPhone, Carplay works fine!
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I read a lot about navtool throughout these forums - they have a pretty terrible history on these boards. NAVIKS is the other company. That being said, it seems like both of you have had success with getting the navtool unit to legitimately work in your RLX. I have a 2014 RLX PAWS Advance /w Krell.
Two questions: 1. On their website I see a carplay system for ~$500 and an HDMI system on sale for ~ $330. Where is Android Auto listed? 2. I see varying success with HDMI mirroring. Can ya'll speak to that a bit? Is it working for you? Not working for you? Thank you much. |
Originally Posted by amthar
(Post 16371446)
I read a lot about navtool throughout these forums - they have a pretty terrible history on these boards. NAVIKS is the other company. That being said, it seems like both of you have had success with getting the navtool unit to legitimately work in your RLX. I have a 2014 RLX PAWS Advance /w Krell.
Two questions: 1. On their website I see a carplay system for ~$500 and an HDMI system on sale for ~ $330. Where is Android Auto listed? 2. I see varying success with HDMI mirroring. Can ya'll speak to that a bit? Is it working for you? Not working for you? Thank you much. I haven’t tried HDMI mirror since my initial install. With CarPlay the software 85% of the time will crash with 1 minute of your first connection. Then unplug, wait a minute, plug it back in, then it will re-engage the CarPlay and work for my entire drive. I haven’t hooked up my mic yet to test Siri or in car phone through CarPlay, I’m still using built in hands free. They are supposed to be releasing an update next week to resolve this. I’ve also asked them to fix that the Camera button switches to the screen for the camera. I have 16 Adv that has the 360 camera. There is a button on the dash opposite of NAV button to turn on front/side camera when below a certain speed. I would buy again. |
HDMI Mirror Update: Flashed to latest update and now HDMI mirror is working for me. |
Two additional questions.
1. You're using CarPlay, but you still have to interact with your iPhone, correct? The upper nav screen that navtool takes over isn't a touch screen. 2. Where/how are you mounting your iphone in the RLX? I'm struggling to find a good place to put my phone. I'm not comfortable using an air vent mount or a CD slot mount - I've seen them break air vents and CD slots all too often. Thanks again for all your insight into this. |
Originally Posted by amthar
(Post 16372614)
Two additional questions.
1. You're using CarPlay, but you still have to interact with your iPhone, correct? The upper nav screen that navtool takes over isn't a touch screen. 2. Where/how are you mounting your iphone in the RLX? I'm struggling to find a good place to put my phone. I'm not comfortable using an air vent mount or a CD slot mount - I've seen them break air vents and CD slots all too often. Thanks again for all your insight into this. |
Originally Posted by C25A1guy
(Post 16371364)
Damn. Too good to be true. LOL
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That’s great news!!! |
Originally Posted by K.Rock
(Post 16399280)
That’s great news!!! I am going to put a chromecast on the HDMI port to see if I can get streaming to work lol. |
Hey there, I just installed this yesterday in my 2016 RLX Sport Hybird with advanced.. Everything seems to work pretty well with Carplay, but HDMI mirroring is spotty for sure.. Sometimes it works, sometimes it just dims the screen (fades to white) when I plug in the HDMI adapter (Official Apple one).. Also as someone posted earlier, my front camera does not come on when slowing down.. Does when I go in to reverse, but not automatically.. Is anyone's working.. I sent Navtool a pic and a vidoe of the HDMI issue, and they suggested I wait for the new firmware.. But did not get a reply about when that was going to be out.. Have to say overall happy, kind of a amazing that they got all this to work as well as they have.
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Originally Posted by Jwadle22
(Post 16399621)
Hey there, I just installed this yesterday in my 2016 RLX Sport Hybird with advanced.. Everything seems to work pretty well with Carplay, but HDMI mirroring is spotty for sure.. Sometimes it works, sometimes it just dims the screen (fades to white) when I plug in the HDMI adapter (Official Apple one).. Also as someone posted earlier, my front camera does not come on when slowing down.. Does when I go in to reverse, but not automatically.. Is anyone's working.. I sent Navtool a pic and a vidoe of the HDMI issue, and they suggested I wait for the new firmware.. But did not get a reply about when that was going to be out.. Have to say overall happy, kind of a amazing that they got all this to work as well as they have.
Was my guide helpful at all? Let me know how I can improve it. -Ken |
Originally Posted by slider2828
(Post 16399787)
That's great! I am glad its working for you. I know carplay definitely worked well. The HDMI, I feel like maybe it needs time to boot up because the hand shake is weird? I feel like after 2-3 minutes after boot up of Navtool, it works perfectly. I wish they had a wait boot up screen.
Was my guide helpful at all? Let me know how I can improve it. -Ken |
Check these out guys!!! Chromecast to HDMI. And the speakers are so awesome!!!!!
Nee HDMI Coupler and Chromemcast Video in next post https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...f266a53488.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...7b53bc45b0.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...6464683249.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...d3be0c1999.jpg |
Here is the video?
The base is amazing and sound is just like a 5.1 |
I'm looking to install this in a 2014 Acura MDX for CarPlay and Android Auto. I will not be using the HDMI or camera functionalities.
I have a few questions for the people who've installed it already: 1) I'm assuming it will function exactly the same as the RLX, correct? 2) Does this cause any issues with the stock infotainment system? 3) Does it affect Bluetooth calling or streaming? (Does a call come in while using either system normally and answer via steering controls?) 4) My wife uses and iPhone and I use Android. How is the overall stability for CarPlay & Android Auto? 5) Have you noticed any issues with Thanks |
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Originally Posted by rmjse
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I'm looking to install this in a 2014 Acura MDX for CarPlay and Android Auto. I will not be using the HDMI or camera functionalities.
I have a few questions for the people who've installed it already: 1) I'm assuming it will function exactly the same as the RLX, correct? There is an MDX version. So get the right version. On their youtube channel there is a 2014 MDX installation video 2) Does this cause any issues with the stock infotainment system? Nope exact as stock. Basically its just a screen bypass with patched in knob / button functions 3) Does it affect Bluetooth calling or streaming? (Does a call come in while using either system normally and answer via steering controls?) It shouldn't. I forget hahaha... But call out is seemless 4) My wife uses and iPhone and I use Android. How is the overall stability for CarPlay & Android Auto? 0 Problems. Rock solid now 5) Have you noticed any issues with Nope.... Use it everyday for my 1.5 hour commute. Love it. Thanks |
Thanks for the reply. From Navtools YouTube videos, it looks like you have keep the system in Aux mode, is this correct? If so, does that mean you cannot listen to the radio while using navigation or you won't hear the navigation prompts?
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Correct. I dont even listen to radio any more when you can stream tidal, pandora, or spotify, or podscasts at better quality than radio. But the nav screen is still google so its good enough
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Navtool nervousness
I've been closely following this thread, because I so desperately want this product/solution to work. But I remain nervous about NavTool. About a month or so ago I reached out to NavTool via Facebook messenger, asking them which of their products supported Android Auto (because on their website it only says Apple CarPlay). I also asked them about the compatibility issues their product was having with Android Oreo/Pie etc. They said they were not experiencing any issues, and wanted to know where I heard about such issues.
For those of you who don't know, there is a pretty large thread on these forums related to NavTool, and some pretty terrible experiences people on here previously had with them. I've even seen where NavTool was creating fake accounts to post glowing feedback about their product. All that being said, it's obvious to me that Slider and K.Rock are not NavTool schills, but I remain nervous. I don't want to part with >$500+ and deal with an awful experience. Ultimately, I want to be able to mirror my Samsung S9+ (running Pie) on the screen, mostly so I can easily see Waze. So, ya'll would do this all again? In the classic words of Mulder, I want to believe! |
Hey amthar,
Truthfully I hate the infotainment in the RLX. Gezzus.... I had basically a better infotainment in my 02 TL than this car hahaha.... All the bugs are basically worked out. It's how being a pioneer works hahaha... Also there is no reason to screen mirror because Waze is an approved Android Auto app, so it will just default maps to Waze instead of Google Apps. It is very stable until you close the door on your cable LOL.... Good luck and ask questions. |
When the device works, it’s great. As far as I’m aware, there isn’t an alternative option.
Buy knowing what to expect from a customer service. They can be responsive, but delay on results. I’d been chasing a firmware update since Christmas, then was told that the upgrade was complicated. It took another month for them to get me the instructions and send the image files through Dropbox. It didn’t work and ended up having to UPS it back to them. They couldn’t generate a shipping label for me, but promised to reimburse me. I shall see how better this next version is. |
So its not working for you KRock? I got mine back from upgrade after a week. Mine been great!!!
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Originally Posted by slider2828
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So its not working for you KRock? I got mine back from upgrade after a week. Mine been great!!!
Installed 11/02, then the fun got worse First firmware - didn’t work at all. They had to get a RLX to understand how the back button worked to get it to work. 12/03- new firmware release Second firmware V5, CarPlay rock solid, but HDMI Mirror doesn’t. Third firmware V7, HDMI Mirror worked, CarPlay worked for 25 minutes Forth firmware V8, USB Update HDMI Mirror worked, CarPlay didn’t work. NavTool has had it for a week now. |
Originally Posted by K.Rock
(Post 16419933)
Ordered first week October - took 3 weeks to ship. First package didn’t have correct T based cables. New order received within a week with correct cables.
Installed 11/02, then the fun got worse First firmware - didn’t work at all. They had to get a RLX to understand how the back button worked to get it to work. 12/03- new firmware release Second firmware V5, CarPlay rock solid, but HDMI Mirror doesn’t. Third firmware V7, HDMI Mirror worked, CarPlay worked for 25 minutes Forth firmware V8, USB Update HDMI Mirror worked, CarPlay didn’t work. NavTool has had it for a week now. Keep us updated! |
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