So it has 377hp and gets 30+mpg? Hell yeah!!
03-07-2016, 04:46 PM
#5
I can do the same with my 05 RL. It'll show 33mpg but give it 100mi or so and it'll drop significantly. I have never been able to achieve over 25mpg with my RL. Being yours is an RLX SH-AWD it'll be higher of course but statistics show 30mpg for your car is about what you'll get.
03-07-2016, 05:01 PM
#6
I can do the same with my 05 RL. It'll show 33mpg but give it 100mi or so and it'll drop significantly. I have never been able to achieve over 25mpg with my RL. Being yours is an RLX SH-AWD it'll be higher of course but statistics show 30mpg for your car is about what you'll get.
But then again if every trip is going to 30+ in real life situation I should average 30+...
What dooms mileage is city driving and I have Ben getting >30% EV miles..
03-07-2016, 05:07 PM
#7
The point they are making is you are not actually getting 30+ MPG. It is just showing your current average while you have a very low record.
A C student would have a better average if you average his first two tests and they are an A and a C. But if his next is a C and a D then his average will plummet in just the same amount of time.
My friend didnt seem to understand this when hed brag about his Legacy MPG on his trips to Vegas when he'd reset it right before hitting the freeway straights. My friend is an idiot. Don't be an idiot.
A C student would have a better average if you average his first two tests and they are an A and a C. But if his next is a C and a D then his average will plummet in just the same amount of time.
My friend didnt seem to understand this when hed brag about his Legacy MPG on his trips to Vegas when he'd reset it right before hitting the freeway straights. My friend is an idiot. Don't be an idiot.
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03-07-2016, 05:41 PM
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The point they are making is you are not actually getting 30+ MPG. It is just showing your current average while you have a very low record.
A C student would have a better average if you average his first two tests and they are an A and a C. But if his next is a C and a D then his average will plummet in just the same amount of time.
My friend didnt seem to understand this when hed brag about his Legacy MPG on his trips to Vegas when he'd reset it right before hitting the freeway straights. My friend is an idiot. Don't be an idiot.
A C student would have a better average if you average his first two tests and they are an A and a C. But if his next is a C and a D then his average will plummet in just the same amount of time.
My friend didnt seem to understand this when hed brag about his Legacy MPG on his trips to Vegas when he'd reset it right before hitting the freeway straights. My friend is an idiot. Don't be an idiot.
I have already confirmed your example of averages. On my trip back home from VA to chicago...I averaged only 28mpg. It was 32 degrees outside and my speed was 75mph+ on that trip.
I will continue to report back either way this goes...so far a mix of city and freewayou driving in 40+ degree weather and with a gentle right foot has been very encouraging.
03-07-2016, 05:56 PM
#9
Wait until the temps get above 50 degrees. You should see a little bump up in mpg. I seem to have been getting around 28 mpg in mixed driving through this milder winter, but over the spring/summer/fall I frequently saw 32 mpg or more for a full tank (my best was 47+mpg for a 10-12 mile journey). I think my worst tank in 15+ months has been around 25 mpg. More than reasonable for a 4,400 lbs car with this kind of power availability.
03-07-2016, 09:20 PM
#10
Wait until the temps get above 50 degrees. You should see a little bump up in mpg. I seem to have been getting around 28 mpg in mixed driving through this milder winter, but over the spring/summer/fall I frequently saw 32 mpg or more for a full tank (my best was 47+mpg for a 10-12 mile journey). I think my worst tank in 15+ months has been around 25 mpg. More than reasonable for a 4,400 lbs car with this kind of power availability.
For me this is a new experience of gaining mileage in the city rather than losing it in traditional purely ICE powered cars. Also here is where I think the comparison between a regular RL/ RLX or any other ICE only car and the hybrid RLX or any hybrid is fundamentally flawed (with respect to mileage of course).
Now, having said all of the above, if I drive like I owned an oil well in the boonies the mileage plummets to the low-mid 20s.
So far I am liking it. The balance of available power and frugality is impressive. It almost has a split personality. And yes putting it in sport mode and engaging 1st gear manually brings out the sport in SH.
My performance comparison is the ghibli s q4(which I absolutely love and I am giving up for this car). That car is rated at 4.7s 0-60. It screams and buzzes and creates a lot of drama getting there. This doesn't feel that fast(obviously measured with my well calibrated buttometer) or maybe it is and may feel slower as it does so without the drama. The biggest difference that I obviously felt is the way power is delivered beyond that. The ghibli just keeps going with the power band being very wide and you can feel it. This car plateaus out earlier. It is plenty fast but you can tell it is not pulling as hard. The A7 is in between these 2 cars. The SH can definitely hang with the A7 in terms of creature comfort, ride quality and performance(with a slight edge in favor of the A7)
At this point if I had any complaints I would say that the suspension should be a little more sorted out and more refined. An option of air suspension with adjustable setting should be on the next iteration.
03-07-2016, 09:58 PM
#11
The hybrid powertrain has been an interesting experience thus far. Between 30-50mph and light throttle the programming seems to favor EV power if battery has close to half charge. So in the city by modulating the gas pedal from a stop and by strategically timing red lights I am able to get close to 40% EV mileage.
For me this is a new experience of gaining mileage in the city rather than losing it in traditional purely ICE powered cars. Also here is where I think the comparison between a regular RL/ RLX or any other ICE only car and the hybrid RLX or any hybrid is fundamentally flawed (with respect to mileage of course).
Now, having said all of the above, if I drive like I owned an oil well in the boonies the mileage plummets to the low-mid 20s.
So far I am liking it. The balance of available power and frugality is impressive. It almost has a split personality. And yes putting it in sport mode and engaging 1st gear manually brings out the sport in SH.
My performance comparison is the ghibli s q4(which I absolutely love and I am giving up for this car). That car is rated at 4.7s 0-60. It screams and buzzes and creates a lot of drama getting there. This doesn't feel that fast(obviously measured with my well calibrated buttometer) or maybe it is and may feel slower as it does so without the drama. The biggest difference that I obviously felt is the way power is delivered beyond that. The ghibli just keeps going with the power band being very wide and you can feel it. This car plateaus out earlier. It is plenty fast but you can tell it is not pulling as hard. The A7 is in between these 2 cars. The SH can definitely hang with the A7 in terms of creature comfort, ride quality and performance(with a slight edge in favor of the A7)
At this point if I had any complaints I would say that the suspension should be a little more sorted out and more refined. An option of air suspension with adjustable setting should be on the next iteration.
For me this is a new experience of gaining mileage in the city rather than losing it in traditional purely ICE powered cars. Also here is where I think the comparison between a regular RL/ RLX or any other ICE only car and the hybrid RLX or any hybrid is fundamentally flawed (with respect to mileage of course).
Now, having said all of the above, if I drive like I owned an oil well in the boonies the mileage plummets to the low-mid 20s.
So far I am liking it. The balance of available power and frugality is impressive. It almost has a split personality. And yes putting it in sport mode and engaging 1st gear manually brings out the sport in SH.
My performance comparison is the ghibli s q4(which I absolutely love and I am giving up for this car). That car is rated at 4.7s 0-60. It screams and buzzes and creates a lot of drama getting there. This doesn't feel that fast(obviously measured with my well calibrated buttometer) or maybe it is and may feel slower as it does so without the drama. The biggest difference that I obviously felt is the way power is delivered beyond that. The ghibli just keeps going with the power band being very wide and you can feel it. This car plateaus out earlier. It is plenty fast but you can tell it is not pulling as hard. The A7 is in between these 2 cars. The SH can definitely hang with the A7 in terms of creature comfort, ride quality and performance(with a slight edge in favor of the A7)
At this point if I had any complaints I would say that the suspension should be a little more sorted out and more refined. An option of air suspension with adjustable setting should be on the next iteration.
03-07-2016, 11:45 PM
#12
[QUOTE=rick]
So far I am liking it. The balance of available power and frugality is impressive. It almost has a split personality. And yes putting it in sport mode and engaging 1st gear manually brings out the sport in SH.
My performance comparison is the ghibli s q4(which I absolutely love and I am giving up for this car). That car is rated at 4.7s 0-60. It screams and buzzes and creates a lot of drama getting there. This doesn't feel that fast(obviously measured with my well calibrated buttometer) or maybe it is and may feel slower as it does so without the drama. The biggest difference that I obviously felt is the way power is delivered beyond that. The ghibli just keeps going with the power band being very wide and you can feel it. This car plateaus out earlier. It is plenty fast but you can tell it is not pulling as hard. The A7 is in between these 2 cars. The SH can definitely hang with the A7 in terms of creature comfort, ride quality and performance(with a slight edge in favor of the A7)
At this point if I had any complaints I would say that the suspension should be a little more sorted out and more refined. An option of air suspension with adjustable setting should be on the next iteration.[/QUOTE/]
Rick -- you nailed the car right on the button. The car does have a split personality. It is both a quiet comfortable cruiser for long rides on the freeway and a tiger on a curvy road with lots of opportunities to test the acceleration and handling capabilities of the Sport Hybrid. It also has the added advantage of very good gas mileage for a 4,000+ lbs., 4 dr sedan. No one will confuse it with a real sports car but it is the most fun large sedan I have ever driven.
Thanks for your comments about the A7. I was going to test drive one until I drove the RLX SH. After my test drive, I forgot about the A7. I did end up with a A3 for the wife who loves it.
So far I am liking it. The balance of available power and frugality is impressive. It almost has a split personality. And yes putting it in sport mode and engaging 1st gear manually brings out the sport in SH.
My performance comparison is the ghibli s q4(which I absolutely love and I am giving up for this car). That car is rated at 4.7s 0-60. It screams and buzzes and creates a lot of drama getting there. This doesn't feel that fast(obviously measured with my well calibrated buttometer) or maybe it is and may feel slower as it does so without the drama. The biggest difference that I obviously felt is the way power is delivered beyond that. The ghibli just keeps going with the power band being very wide and you can feel it. This car plateaus out earlier. It is plenty fast but you can tell it is not pulling as hard. The A7 is in between these 2 cars. The SH can definitely hang with the A7 in terms of creature comfort, ride quality and performance(with a slight edge in favor of the A7)
At this point if I had any complaints I would say that the suspension should be a little more sorted out and more refined. An option of air suspension with adjustable setting should be on the next iteration.[/QUOTE/]
Rick -- you nailed the car right on the button. The car does have a split personality. It is both a quiet comfortable cruiser for long rides on the freeway and a tiger on a curvy road with lots of opportunities to test the acceleration and handling capabilities of the Sport Hybrid. It also has the added advantage of very good gas mileage for a 4,000+ lbs., 4 dr sedan. No one will confuse it with a real sports car but it is the most fun large sedan I have ever driven.
Thanks for your comments about the A7. I was going to test drive one until I drove the RLX SH. After my test drive, I forgot about the A7. I did end up with a A3 for the wife who loves it.
03-08-2016, 08:32 AM
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To convert the disbelievers, keep your B meter set on the lifetime mileage so that you can really impress people.
My car's over 30,000 miles and the lifetime is still 31.3 mpg.
Somebody reset the B meter so it's going to be hard for people to believe me now, since I only have like 7,000 miles on it.
:-)
I don't baby it, either.
They key is the kind of driving you're doing. In my case, I perform long commutes at 45 mph - 60 mph, with radar cruise handling much of it, and this allows EV mode for a greater percentage of time than people who dash back and forth at 80 mph. (It is hard to get EV mode above 54 mph.)
My car's over 30,000 miles and the lifetime is still 31.3 mpg.
Somebody reset the B meter so it's going to be hard for people to believe me now, since I only have like 7,000 miles on it.
:-)
I don't baby it, either.
They key is the kind of driving you're doing. In my case, I perform long commutes at 45 mph - 60 mph, with radar cruise handling much of it, and this allows EV mode for a greater percentage of time than people who dash back and forth at 80 mph. (It is hard to get EV mode above 54 mph.)
03-08-2016, 09:14 AM
#14
I can do the same with my 05 RL. It'll show 33mpg but give it 100mi or so and it'll drop significantly. I have never been able to achieve over 25mpg with my RL. Being yours is an RLX SH-AWD it'll be higher of course but statistics show 30mpg for your car is about what you'll get.
So reporting back after 145 miles since fill up...morning trip today was 70 miles. State routes with long stretches of 45-55mph, freeway at 70mph (radar cruise) and then city driving with stop lights etc. Stopped for coffee and then 12 miles to the office from there. See the EV only miles 5.2/12.6...so far since fill up, with a mix of gentle drving and good weather prevailing, I am averaging 32.4mpg. Interesting that the range has not changed much and the fuel gauge is still >3/4rth tank.
03-08-2016, 09:31 AM
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5.2 miles in EV mode out of 12.6 is a very high ratio in EV mode.
If most of your driving is like that then you'll get higher MPG than the EPA says, by a significant margin.
But...is that ratio going to remain typical? :-)
If most of your driving is like that then you'll get higher MPG than the EPA says, by a significant margin.
But...is that ratio going to remain typical? :-)
03-09-2016, 01:17 PM
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To convert the disbelievers, keep your B meter set on the lifetime mileage so that you can really impress people.
My car's over 30,000 miles and the lifetime is still 31.3 mpg.
Somebody reset the B meter so it's going to be hard for people to believe me now, since I only have like 7,000 miles on it.
My car's over 30,000 miles and the lifetime is still 31.3 mpg.
Somebody reset the B meter so it's going to be hard for people to believe me now, since I only have like 7,000 miles on it.
03-09-2016, 01:39 PM
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Mine doesn't reset until some moron resets it manually and accidentally.
03-09-2016, 03:12 PM
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03-09-2016, 04:04 PM
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When I passed 20k I watched it on the B section and it did NOT go back to zero.
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03-09-2016, 06:57 PM
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I filled up this afternoon and experimented on how high I could see the mpg go in normal everyday trips locally and this is what I saw. Very unusual that it was this good, but it is warm so the heat is not on, the car was already warmed up, and these were short trips doing errands this evening. I would normally not drive this gently, but this is repeatable if you can be patent and very careful with the throttle. Now this is hyper mpg!
03-10-2016, 06:50 AM
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When I went back to normal driving activities this morning, my mpg dropped back to 31.1 mpg for the tank, still remarkable in light of the performance opportunities available and the weight of the vehicle.