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#521
SSFTSX - you were the one that said 1000lbs does not make a difference. you said tires make more of a difference than 1000 lbs
I fully understand that the Tesla has 100% torque instantly available
The RLX will not have all of that torque at the start as the elcric engines provide much less power than the gas engine. I do not see the RLX hybrid beating the Tesla. We shall see.
I fully understand that the Tesla has 100% torque instantly available
The RLX will not have all of that torque at the start as the elcric engines provide much less power than the gas engine. I do not see the RLX hybrid beating the Tesla. We shall see.
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#522
Tesla losses out to S8 despite on mile high test elevation which degrades gasoline engine.
i said extra weight of car is balanced by more torque. it is the tire that make the difference at launch. without performance tires Tesla is another Honda Accord.
Now Honda new electric technology is on diffferent level.
see 2.0 PHEV Honda Accord. That car weighs 3800lbs but still can do 0-60 mph in 7.5 seconds with CVT/All season tires with less than 200bhp.
Now RLX is 3 Motor hybrid with AWD, new transmission, and DI engine. it should beat Tesla easily. That is far more usuable for driving due to its 600 to 700 mile range.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...5-kwh-battery/
he lack of an engine sound only makes the road noise and brake cut in even more obvious.
i said extra weight of car is balanced by more torque. it is the tire that make the difference at launch. without performance tires Tesla is another Honda Accord.
Now Honda new electric technology is on diffferent level.
see 2.0 PHEV Honda Accord. That car weighs 3800lbs but still can do 0-60 mph in 7.5 seconds with CVT/All season tires with less than 200bhp.
Now RLX is 3 Motor hybrid with AWD, new transmission, and DI engine. it should beat Tesla easily. That is far more usuable for driving due to its 600 to 700 mile range.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...5-kwh-battery/
he lack of an engine sound only makes the road noise and brake cut in even more obvious.
#523
You realize that the S8 cost $20K more than Tesla and has 500+hp right? And, you say hte car is loud and post a link that has this quote "The Tesla wins on being stunningly silent and being electric."
So, you think the RLX is going to be 0 to 60 in 4.2 sec?
So, you think the RLX is going to be 0 to 60 in 4.2 sec?
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#525
$20k extra for S8 gives you alot more standard equipment (Audi drive select, AWD traction, top and corner cameras, rear fog lights, heated wind shield washers, night vision, )and high quality interior. Tesla is more in mid size quality .
the link is about test drive. there is comments about excesssive wind and tire noise in absense of engine noise.
If RLX got pilot sport tires with lighter rims it will surely be faster than Tesla.
the link is about test drive. there is comments about excesssive wind and tire noise in absense of engine noise.
If RLX got pilot sport tires with lighter rims it will surely be faster than Tesla.
#526
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$20k extra for S8 gives you alot more standard equipment (Audi drive select, AWD traction, top and corner cameras, rear fog lights, heated wind shield washers, night vision, )and high quality interior. Tesla is more in mid size quality .
the link is about test drive. there is comments about excesssive wind and tire noise in absense of engine noise.
If RLX got pilot sport tires with lighter rims it will surely be faster than Tesla.
the link is about test drive. there is comments about excesssive wind and tire noise in absense of engine noise.
If RLX got pilot sport tires with lighter rims it will surely be faster than Tesla.
#527
$20k extra for S8 gives you alot more standard equipment (Audi drive select, AWD traction, top and corner cameras, rear fog lights, heated wind shield washers, night vision, )and high quality interior. Tesla is more in mid size quality .
the link is about test drive. there is comments about excesssive wind and tire noise in absense of engine noise.
If RLX got pilot sport tires with lighter rims it will surely be faster than Tesla.
the link is about test drive. there is comments about excesssive wind and tire noise in absense of engine noise.
If RLX got pilot sport tires with lighter rims it will surely be faster than Tesla.
#528
Three Wheelin'
Not quite sure what any of this has to do with RLX sales...
#529
not following?
If the RLX PAWS had PS2 tires it would do sub 6 second 0 to 60 and be selling 1000+ per month
But I'm happy as I saw my first RLX today on the road.
It looks great. I cannot see what people see in the Lexus by comparison
If the RLX PAWS had PS2 tires it would do sub 6 second 0 to 60 and be selling 1000+ per month
But I'm happy as I saw my first RLX today on the road.
It looks great. I cannot see what people see in the Lexus by comparison
#531
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SSFTSX and those discussing with him, please make another thread to do so.
This thread is for sales numbers and discussions only.
This thread is for sales numbers and discussions only.
#532
Sorry Bob - will quit in this thread
That said, this thread has been all over the place in 14 pages
Any guesses on Aug results? I'll be optimistic and say 750
That said, this thread has been all over the place in 14 pages
Any guesses on Aug results? I'll be optimistic and say 750
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John Eagle Acura, where I bought mine, had 38 on the lot on Saturday - more Techs and Navs than Advances; 1 Krell. The one I bought (Advanced) was still wrapped and had 7 miles on it. This dealer is the largest volume Acura dealer in Texas and second in the region behind Prohanka. They told me they have sold 22 RLXs but I had not seen one yet in the Houston metro area.
#536
I was at my local dealer this weekend here in Richmond and I simply did not care for the RLX at all. I found it unoriginal, rather boring and just overall meh. Maybe it's just me and that I'm very far out of the target market??? but it had ZERO appeal. I saw folks all over the MDX and RDXs on the lot but the entire time I was there I saw no one so much as glance at the RLX in the showroom.
I did also stop by the Infinity dealership across the street and was rather impressed by the new Q50 but not as a competitor to the RLX. It has very athletic yet refined lines, great tech, better quality, fit and finish than the outgoing G37 and I would consider it in it's 2nd year as a replacement for my TL SH-AWD. I doubt folks are cross shopping it with the RLX tho. While I could not test drive one, the salesman said they really have cured the NVH woes of the G37, my only real gripe with that car.
It's pricey at the moment and the boards are full of stories about cars on hold for software updates etc. What a horrific launch for the car, they sit on dealer lots but you can't drive them till the computer is patched although that should be sorted out by now.
I did also stop by the Infinity dealership across the street and was rather impressed by the new Q50 but not as a competitor to the RLX. It has very athletic yet refined lines, great tech, better quality, fit and finish than the outgoing G37 and I would consider it in it's 2nd year as a replacement for my TL SH-AWD. I doubt folks are cross shopping it with the RLX tho. While I could not test drive one, the salesman said they really have cured the NVH woes of the G37, my only real gripe with that car.
It's pricey at the moment and the boards are full of stories about cars on hold for software updates etc. What a horrific launch for the car, they sit on dealer lots but you can't drive them till the computer is patched although that should be sorted out by now.
#537
Suzuka Master
look at the edmunds Q50 review, they trash the tires, run flat all seasons hurt the Q50 handling numbers. Let's see how long before Infiniti changes the default tires, people hate run flats.
#538
PS: I saw Q50's on the lot with a $200 spare option as they know folks will dump the RFTs. Please Acura, NO RFTs!!!
#539
so a lot of people aren't liking the RLX styling, but what is better?
To me, Lexus GS is ugly. BMW 5 series and MB E-class don't do anything for me. Same with Audie.
Infinity Q50 looks like a possibility. The Cadillac XTS looks same as CTS.
The RLX is somewhat conservative, yes, but it is appealing to me and looks better in person
To me, Lexus GS is ugly. BMW 5 series and MB E-class don't do anything for me. Same with Audie.
Infinity Q50 looks like a possibility. The Cadillac XTS looks same as CTS.
The RLX is somewhat conservative, yes, but it is appealing to me and looks better in person
#540
Three Wheelin'
The new 5 Series look a little bland to me.
#541
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so a lot of people aren't liking the RLX styling, but what is better?
To me, Lexus GS is ugly. BMW 5 series and MB E-class don't do anything for me. Same with Audie.
Infinity Q50 looks like a possibility. The Cadillac XTS looks same as CTS.
The RLX is somewhat conservative, yes, but it is appealing to me and looks better in person
To me, Lexus GS is ugly. BMW 5 series and MB E-class don't do anything for me. Same with Audie.
Infinity Q50 looks like a possibility. The Cadillac XTS looks same as CTS.
The RLX is somewhat conservative, yes, but it is appealing to me and looks better in person
#542
2012 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
so a lot of people aren't liking the RLX styling, but what is better?
To me, Lexus GS is ugly. BMW 5 series and MB E-class don't do anything for me. Same with Audie.
Infinity Q50 looks like a possibility. The Cadillac XTS looks same as CTS.
The RLX is somewhat conservative, yes, but it is appealing to me and looks better in person
To me, Lexus GS is ugly. BMW 5 series and MB E-class don't do anything for me. Same with Audie.
Infinity Q50 looks like a possibility. The Cadillac XTS looks same as CTS.
The RLX is somewhat conservative, yes, but it is appealing to me and looks better in person
The 5 series are OK. I do like the Lexus GS. The Audis are sharp in my opinion and I think the E Class is a handsome car.
#543
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GS is ugh. CTS you know my opinion . XTS is bland. e class is bland. 5 series is good. RLX is OK, a little bland but not ugly.
I think the blandness would help with sales for the car buying masses who are not badge conscious.
I think the blandness would help with sales for the car buying masses who are not badge conscious.
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Different tires maybe will knock off a tenth of a second if wheel spin is an issue....MAYBE.
Even a tune/chip might only knock off a couple of tenths of a second off of the 0-60.
If you want to be knocking off greater than a 1/2 second you better be introducing some forced induction or other major modifications to the engine.
Even a tune/chip might only knock off a couple of tenths of a second off of the 0-60.
If you want to be knocking off greater than a 1/2 second you better be introducing some forced induction or other major modifications to the engine.
The "4.2s" is not my focus, but merely as one of the specifications describing the Tesla S sedan.
But the "ZERO-emission" factor IS.
Anyway, I admit that I made a mistake on thinking the 0-60 time for the $70+K Tesla S was 4.2s.
So the $65K Tesla S60 is 5.9s, and the $74K Tesla S85 is 5.4s. Will these slower 0-60 times suddenly turn the fortune around such that all potential Tesla buyers will now go and buy the RLX instead ?
Remember back in posts #474 and #478, it was YOU who started the talk on "bragging right" and "looking cool". It was not ME who brought them up.
I merely refocus on what you always believe, just as you pleased.
My original focus was on the $70+K Zero-emission Tesla S, with the $70+ YES-emission hybrid RLX.
Then you changed the focus on comparing the gadgets and features between the 2 premium sedans. Since when the slow-selling fully-loaded RL/RLX has become the class benchmark for all other premium sedans to compete against, such that all other competitors have to be so equipped in order to challenge the fully-loaded RL/RLX ?
When you have changed focus from "ZERO emission" to "equipment level", I too can change focus to, not out of thin air, but whatever you believed previously.
But the "ZERO-emission" factor IS.
Anyway, I admit that I made a mistake on thinking the 0-60 time for the $70+K Tesla S was 4.2s.
So the $65K Tesla S60 is 5.9s, and the $74K Tesla S85 is 5.4s. Will these slower 0-60 times suddenly turn the fortune around such that all potential Tesla buyers will now go and buy the RLX instead ?
Remember back in posts #474 and #478, it was YOU who started the talk on "bragging right" and "looking cool". It was not ME who brought them up.
I merely refocus on what you always believe, just as you pleased.
My original focus was on the $70+K Zero-emission Tesla S, with the $70+ YES-emission hybrid RLX.
Then you changed the focus on comparing the gadgets and features between the 2 premium sedans. Since when the slow-selling fully-loaded RL/RLX has become the class benchmark for all other premium sedans to compete against, such that all other competitors have to be so equipped in order to challenge the fully-loaded RL/RLX ?
When you have changed focus from "ZERO emission" to "equipment level", I too can change focus to, not out of thin air, but whatever you believed previously.
In post #473, you brought up the focus on "gadgets" as you said "luxury sedans buyers don't have to tell the difference between FWD and RWD, which are deemed meaningless to these buyers. In the same way, gadgets such as PAWS and e-SH-AWD are also meaningless to these buyers."
So in #474, I basically hey those gadgets are relevant to buyers and they might also sound "cool" to $70k sedan buyers.
In #475, you then said $70k sedan buyers don't care about mpg.
So in #478, I responded that there are buyers who might just wanna brag about how efficient their $70k luxury sedan is while having excellent handling and doing 0-60mph in the 4's.
In #483, you brought the Tesla S into the discussion, stressing its zero-emission status that the RLX will never be able to achieve since they were priced the same while the Tesla S could do 0-60mph in 4.2s.
In #487, I showed you the actual numbers of the Tesla S. And as you've admitted, you misread the specs of the Tesla S. Since in the previous posts, we had been discussing gadgets and stuff, in post #487, I continued the focus on features and gadgets. I didn't change anything there, did I?
From post #493, it's clear that you feel the gadgets on the RLX are worthless, while Zero-Emission status is very important. I respect your view on that. That is fine. It does not mean I agree to your view though. You have your view, I have mine.
So going back to your latest post. Now you are saying 4.2s is not your focus. But back in post #483, I basically saw,
Tesla S
$70k
0-60mph: 4.2s
Zero-Emission
If you have 10 other points in that post, that I probably wouldn't have thought your focus was not on 0-60mph in 4.2s...
Like I said, I also like the Tesla S. It's a success because it's unique in the market and its price is not crazily expensive. It's definitely a cool car since it's all electric, and it's nice looking too.
With that said, I feel that the RLX AWD can offer something different too. Assuming you can get a RLX AWD advance for $70k, it's not all that bad. It can supposedly do 0-60mph in low 4's, has excellent handling, gets excellent mpg for a car of that size, and has a lot of gadgets. Will it be a success? I don't know, but that's not exactly my focus.
#546
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Just got this email from my local dealer advertising:
$6,000 off Remaining in-stock 2013 TL vehicles
$5,000 off Remaining in-stock 2013 ILX vehicles
$2,000 off in-stock 2014 MDX vehicles
$500 Below Invoice Pricing on ANY in-stock 2014 RDX
Interesting how there is nothing off the 2014 RLX (they have yet to receive a 2013 ZDX) but there is something off the 2014 MDX. Granted, they have kept inventory relatively low for the RLX which gives them more control over the price.
I thought that after the MDX was launched, we would start getting info on the hybrid RLX - at least on the "Future Vehicles" section of the website but so far nothing. I am most curious to see what, if any, visual changes have been made (and what ads Mullen is going to make). I assume that at the very least there will be new rims like all Honda/Acura hybrids. There is a good chance for front/rear fascia to be altered - just please, no blue tinted lights.
Now those are changes I can see happening because it is a hybrid, but since it is a sport hybrid, could we get some of the usual Honda/Acura sport mods? Red interior lights, red stitching, metal pedals? I would not mind those in addition to maybe replacing the wood with metal or carbon fiber, or even a black wood grain. Not sure we are getting anything larger than the current 19" rims tho.
Specs & price probably will not be revealed till launch time but I am most curious to see the hwy miles. If it is indeed 30, that is interesting as it is less than the non-hybrid's 31.
$6,000 off Remaining in-stock 2013 TL vehicles
$5,000 off Remaining in-stock 2013 ILX vehicles
$2,000 off in-stock 2014 MDX vehicles
$500 Below Invoice Pricing on ANY in-stock 2014 RDX
I thought that after the MDX was launched, we would start getting info on the hybrid RLX - at least on the "Future Vehicles" section of the website but so far nothing. I am most curious to see what, if any, visual changes have been made (and what ads Mullen is going to make). I assume that at the very least there will be new rims like all Honda/Acura hybrids. There is a good chance for front/rear fascia to be altered - just please, no blue tinted lights.
Now those are changes I can see happening because it is a hybrid, but since it is a sport hybrid, could we get some of the usual Honda/Acura sport mods? Red interior lights, red stitching, metal pedals? I would not mind those in addition to maybe replacing the wood with metal or carbon fiber, or even a black wood grain. Not sure we are getting anything larger than the current 19" rims tho.
Specs & price probably will not be revealed till launch time but I am most curious to see the hwy miles. If it is indeed 30, that is interesting as it is less than the non-hybrid's 31.
#547
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The average mileage for the hybrid was supposed to be 30. What was quoted previously was 30 city/30 hwy/30 avg. The FWD is 20/31, so average is lower. It's the hybrid's city mileage that should be interesting you.
#548
are the august sales numbers out yet?
#549
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I don't see them, here is where they keep them all
http://www.hondanews.com/channels/16...c-7b004c34bef5
http://www.hondanews.com/channels/16...c-7b004c34bef5
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#550
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But I did stumble upon this website which states that the Acura RLX stayed 44 days on the lot in Aug (46 for the GS350 & 119 for M37).
http://www.newcars.com/reviews/infin...rlx-sedan.html
http://www.newcars.com/reviews/infin...rlx-sedan.html
#551
Suzuka Master
M37 sales tanked the last 2-3 months, but thn the car has been on the market 39 months so I think Infniti had inventory based on 700-800 units a month lately, then sales dropped to almost half that. Acura should be so lucky to sell 400-500 RLXs when it is 3 years old, the are struggling with 671 in first few months.
#553
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Beat me to it. Here's the data directly from HondaNews.
#555
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TLX is next year's release so Acura will have to soldier on as a primarily SUV maker only until then.
I think many non-enthusiast RL owners are doing what I and some enthusiasts are, awaiting the sport hybrid. Sport hybrid needs to be out, STAT, preferably with better press than the FWD RLX is getting.
I think many non-enthusiast RL owners are doing what I and some enthusiasts are, awaiting the sport hybrid. Sport hybrid needs to be out, STAT, preferably with better press than the FWD RLX is getting.
#556
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. Acura is running the risk many of us will get tired of waiting and switch to another brand.....there is no shortage of competitors for the RLX that have excellent handling and other amenities.
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^^^
I'm in that boat. Only six months ago there was no doubt the RLX would be my next vehicle. If the sport hybrid is not a winner and at my price point ($65k max), then I'll be looking elsewhere. The Audi A6 Prestige is looking like a good option.
I'm in that boat. Only six months ago there was no doubt the RLX would be my next vehicle. If the sport hybrid is not a winner and at my price point ($65k max), then I'll be looking elsewhere. The Audi A6 Prestige is looking like a good option.
#558
America buys primarily SUVs these days, so IMO, that's fine. In fact, I'd suggest that the Fit based 'Urban concept' for China could be a great addition to the NA lineup as well. That would give us Small, Med. and Large(ish) SUVs and the same for sedans. Add the NSX and suggested TLX Coupe, and would add two choices in 2 doors. Finally, massaging the ILX with a 180ish HP base engine and getting the RLX Hybrid out and you would have a strong basis for the brand.
#559
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Agree with you, Colin. Acura is doing OK with the SUVs as demonstrated by the numbers above. The MDX and RDX are flying off the shelves, so to speak.