Zane Wylder

Hey everyone, how are ya today?

Curious, sister's leasing her RDX and I wanted to do what I do for everyone in my family with a drop in filter, but I don't see any.

You see Hondata and a Downpipe, but no filters, could a Accord 2.0t or Civic Type R's work or naw?

Any word on anything coming out or not yet?

Thanks in advance,

Zane

horseshoez

iTrader: (2)

Why would you want a drop-in filter, they filter like crap compared to an OEM style filter.

Zane Wylder

Depends in what regard. I used quite a few KN/AFE Drop in filters and never heard anyone complain about them (Family and friends)

thoiboi

Sounds scientific and verifiable enough to me!

Zane Wylder

Also have this: :P

thoiboi

Oh man, with a Youtube Video too!?



Side note: I've used a K&N drop-in as well but it got it years after the car was introduced.. You're trying to find it for a brand new RDX.. Just wait until K&N releases it for the car sometime later in the year

Zane Wylder

Gotcha. Just got mod fever as my GF has a Golf TSI and I gotta '19 Ram 1500, so now I figure what can I do since my sister leased her RDX. Thanks!

horseshoez

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What does that video have to do with how well drop-in filters actually filter? The fact is, OEM style filters filter the best; put a K&N or similar filter and the amount of dirt going into your engine will rise exponentially.

Zane Wylder

But the performance filters let the engines breath better. I am asking on the performance parts and mods section now, not the general

horseshoez

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They breathe better by filtering less and letting in a lot more dirt.

Zane Wylder

I had a drop in filter in my '07 A4 before I upgraded to a CAI some.... 30-40k later, never had an issue with particles and that's a St3 car running on a stock K03 thats driven everywhere.

My GF and I took her golf on trails with her drop in AFE filter and there's no issues either (Dirt trails in the woods, friends didn't clarify where the bonfire was and that was back in September), plus how many of the lifted trucks there had Filters and CAI.

Not like we're dealing with dusty roads and dirt trails often enough to be too concerned, though I do understand your point

horseshoez

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You're trying to prove a positive with a negative; not a valid proof. The fact is, crappy filters like the K&N allow a lot of extra dirt into the engine; if you want to prove it to yourself, take a sample of used oil and send it out for analysis; then put a K&N in, drive for an oil change cycle, and then send a second sample out for analysis. What you're going to see in the second sample will be significantly higher amount of silicone (sand) in the oil.

thoiboi

Sometimes ya gotta just let some people live the way they want horsie . What's that saying about leading a @horseshoez to water...

horseshoez

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Fair enough, I'll zip it.

MrHeeltoe

iTrader: (1)

You know I've done this with my TSX a few times and not really seen anything alarming in my oil at all after using foam CT Engineering filter (which if you believe the internet is way dirtier of a filter than a K&N would be). I also haven't cleaned it in forever. I drive in the PNW where the air is clean anyway (not that I have not done my fair share of trips to socal in it). Maybe that helps?

High flow filters help a little. That's just the bottom line. It might seem like sexy and cool to talk smack on them as snake oil and in some cases sure maybe the difference isn't worth it. Just think of the environmental differences there are.

No one-size fits all when it comes to car modding. The best teacher is experience.

horseshoez

iTrader: (2)

The very fact you haven't cleaned your filter in forever may well be why your results come back looking good. Get enough dirt in a K&N style filter and it more or less becomes an OEM style filter, extra restriction and filtration included.

On the other hand, if you look at the published UOAs over on BITOG, there is fairly compelling evidence these filters do a pretty lousy job of filtering.

Zane Wylder

Could all be worse, it's a $60 mod at most (after s/h), not talking hundreds.

Now if we were talking CAI's on an stock/st1 engine...

MrHeeltoe

iTrader: (1)

This debate is right up there with "should I let my car warm up" and "should I use synthetic oil?" Science provides an answer to a question that impacts almost zero people in the practical world. (I never let my car warm up til I moved where it gets icy on my car in the winter. F**k the engine, gimmie seat heat and defrosting! And my engine hasn't quit yet.) A filter that lets more dirt in than a stock one is still filtering air well. No long-term damage is likely to be found by having a performance air filter installed that is letting more dirt in, especially since such a person is most likely otherwise babying their car, exceeding factory service requirements, and otherwise taking good care of their stuff.

The negative impact is as great as the performance improvement, which are both so close to zero with a performance air filter that it may not be worth doing at all from a functional standpoint.

But it does add some growl and they are permenant so there is a sporting and economical benefit to them so people buy them!

horseshoez

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Do you also use the base model Fram oil filter on your cars?

MrHeeltoe

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I usually use what comes free when you buy a 5 gallon bottle of oil. If given the choice it's Bosch or Wix. I've used Fram. Also engine not blown up.

Burger Steak & Eggs

Classic diesel filter test:
ISO 5011 Duramax Air Filter Test Report

Gossleroy

Only one I know of so far is that K&N makes one..... PN:33-3096. It fits perfectly I have on in my A-Spec and it does just fine. Sent an email to AFE to see if they are going to do a Pro Dry S but I haven't gone a reply from yet.

reyoasian

You must live in a construction zone.
You must also be fun at parties.

reyoasian

You must live in a construction zone.
You must also be fun at parties.

horseshoez

iTrader: (2)

And you much not understand cars very well.

thoiboi

Understanding pros and cons are important to making any modification...