Tire Question
#41
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Have you replaced the tires yet? I ask because I've had several nails in the same location as your tire and they were all easily fixed with a plug. What makes that nail unrepairable? (The photo is slightly blurry.) What about a patch from behind? Did you get a second opinion?
#42
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Thank you. That's my plan. When I have some margin in my schedule! Have a great rest of your week.
I went to Mavis Discount for my nail (post 35). They removed the tire from the rim, plugged the nail hole from the outside, patched it from the inside and even replaced the valve stem (I asked for that). Mounted and balanced again. $24 after tax. If your tire is not leaking, the odds are good the damage is minimal and a plug-n-patch technique will work and obviously save you money.
#44
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So far, I've found them to be excellent in dry and wet weather. Fairly quiet but only adequate in snow and slush. I've never owned a set of Continentals before and I've heard they're very good for the 1st half of their tread life but not so good in the 2nd half. I don't know if that's true. I'm only at about 22 K miles and they're still performing well.
#45
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Continental had an issue with over curing their tires that resulted in a recall. Check your sidewalls carefully for any deformations, bumps, cracks etc. I had imperfections on mine. I have always been suspect of OEM tires being inferior to retail tires purchased. Just a bias, no real proof except that I get longer wear on retail tires. The other reason I did not like the Continentals is they are noisy and the RDX (2021 Advanced) is not a well insulated car. I switched to Michelins and I'm much happier.
#46
Man, guess those Conti's are pretty bad. The A-Specs come with "old" Eagle RS-A's and I have no complaints about tire noise. Wind noise is way more pronounced than any road noise. Only real semi-complaint is, as SavageGeese points out, Honda/Acura still can't isolate that "pinging" when going over cracks/partitions in the roadway for whatever reason.
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#50
Michelin was my "go to" tires for years but the last set I got soured me on them. Don't know if it was the actual tires or the idiot who did the install and didn't grasp modern tire balancing procedures. Took my CR-V from a super smooth vehicle (with OEM Bridgestones) to a frustrating vibrating machine at 65-75 MPH. Dealer tried various top end balancing equipment and never could make it as smooth as the Bridgestone's. As I look at what tires I will put on my '19 Advance I really don't know which way to go. We put some Yokohama's on our Honda and they were much better than the OEM Firestone's. but those didn't take too much to "best". I keep reading all I can about people's experience with various tires trying to sort through what is working well on this vehicle. I am not totally turned off on the new Michelin's but am still wary of them after the last set.
#51
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The dealer is a critical part of the tire purchase. Their skills and habits are important like balancer maintenance and calibration, mounting, lug nut torque. Then there’s the ability to recognize a tire problem and have the knowledge to fix the real problem. One common issue is radial force variation that is measured and found with the Hunter 9700 balancer. Excessive RFV is not fixed with balance weights. The 9700 in many dealer sit used or under utilized because it takes too long or the techs lack the training to use effectively.
Any brand tire can have an issue……….some of those issues are design related ( compound, tread pattern), some manufacturing tolerance issues and some installation issues.
The dealer is a critical part of the tire purchase. Their skills and habits are important like balancer maintenance and calibration, mounting, lug nut torque. Then there’s the ability to recognize a tire problem and have the knowledge to fix the real problem. One common issue is radial force variation that is measured and found with the Hunter 9700 balancer. Excessive RFV is not fixed with balance weights. The 9700 in many dealer sit used or under utilized because it takes too long or the techs lack the training to use effectively.
Any brand tire can have an issue……….some of those issues are design related ( compound, tread pattern), some manufacturing tolerance issues and some installation issues.
#52
While at GM one of my specialties was doing training on NVH (Noise, Vibration and Harshness). Many OEM's, such as BMW, required their dealers to have the Hunter Road Force Balancer to help resolve vibration problems. They are a mechanical work of art. We found a lot of tire problems using them on wheels that normal balancing equipment said were in perfect balance. But as I use to tell the techs: "You can spin balance a square wheel but it won't run smooth on the car". One thing you learn using them is that some tire lines are just better than others.
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Very happy with the Pirellis so far. I’ve only driven in dry conditions. They handle well and ride as smooth as silk. They’re quieter than the Continentals.
There are a lot of choices available. These were the top rated (#1 of 37) on Tire Rack. I got them cheaper at a local shop.
There are a lot of choices available. These were the top rated (#1 of 37) on Tire Rack. I got them cheaper at a local shop.
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#57
Lots of information on this out there. Here is one good article that explains some of this:
Radial Force Variation
#58
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Tires are graded and built to certain specs. OEM can set a spec for every detail……….example RFV reject at 5 pound variation.
So OEM a tire from Tire Rack or any other vendor maybe slightly different from the OEM tire as far exact specifications.
So OEM a tire from Tire Rack or any other vendor maybe slightly different from the OEM tire as far exact specifications.
Last edited by Showkey; 08-02-2021 at 10:09 AM.
#59
YES....read the article I linked in a post above. It compares OEM Radial Force Variation (RFV) with aftermarket spec's. A good tire company will run a test on each tire after its finished. The manufacturer will set the amount of variation they will allow. The tire maker with "grade" the tires and then sort them into the supply chain. Remember that car makers by tires by the tens of thousands and bargain for the best price. It is not uncommon for the tires they get at a low rock bottom price to be different than the "same" tire sold to the aftermarket. But then this is true for places like Sam's Club and other major customers. They negotiate prices on mass quantities and try to keep their costs down. So, the tires they sell may not be exactly the same as the one from other dealers.
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