Acura CDX?
#81
Despite the size difference, an ADX Type S would probably cannibalize RDX sales!
You only lose 5 ft3 of cargo space going HRV size!
https://www.edmunds.com/car-comparis...veh2=402022117
You only lose 5 ft3 of cargo space going HRV size!
https://www.edmunds.com/car-comparis...veh2=402022117
I would argue though that at 70k the MDX is pretty equivalent to an X5...it's when you start comparing the 90k+ X5 that the disparity becomes huge.
The previous gen HR-V was a shitbox, but this current gen HR-V has been very well received...except for the anemic engine. But, Acura is going to put the 1.5T into it, so that's not really a concern anymore.
As for the brand fit, it's not like Acura's other offerings really move the needle in terms of performance. The RDX has no Type S model, the TLX Type S falls flat when it comes to "performance", and the MDX Type S isn't really about performance at all. These cars handle well...but that's about it; none of these cars are particularly fast or powerful from a performanace perspective, so I wouldn't say the HRV will work against them more than the rest of the lineup already does. Acura really needs to rethink what it wants to be, because it's certainly not delivering on this aspirational "performance" angle no matter how hard their marketing team tires to make it happen.
As for the brand fit, it's not like Acura's other offerings really move the needle in terms of performance. The RDX has no Type S model, the TLX Type S falls flat when it comes to "performance", and the MDX Type S isn't really about performance at all. These cars handle well...but that's about it; none of these cars are particularly fast or powerful from a performanace perspective, so I wouldn't say the HRV will work against them more than the rest of the lineup already does. Acura really needs to rethink what it wants to be, because it's certainly not delivering on this aspirational "performance" angle no matter how hard their marketing team tires to make it happen.
Yep. Agree. Acura is a luxury, performance division of Honda. Entry level product would be the wrong direction - IMO.
Hope they step up with new models soon, as the all 2025 Toyota Land Cruiser and 4Runner (especially the limited and platinum AWD) will be some good competition).
Hope they step up with new models soon, as the all 2025 Toyota Land Cruiser and 4Runner (especially the limited and platinum AWD) will be some good competition).
#82
1) Far worse fuel economy
2) SHAWD as an option
3) Overall heavier cars w/subsequent impact on brakes/rotors (haven't heard such issues from the Integra and time will tell with the ADX)
4) Infotainment that may or may not match what they've been using
I know some luxury makes may have similar identity crisis b/w entry level and higher level cars but at least Audi manages to keep a consistent luxury language even in entry level (i.e. A3 and Q3).
#83
mrgold35
I've seen some threads with sh-awd vehicle having around +/- 30% driveline loss depending on front/rear bias % and how much tq vectoring. Doesn't leave a lot of power left over for performance at 200hp when you only have around 140-150 hp to work with. I can see why Acura would use the less power hungry CR-V "slip-n-grip" on demand awd system for vehicles under 200hp.
The exception might be a hybrid powertrain for less driveline power loss? Electric motors can be connected directly to the drive wheels, less mechanical moving parts, max tq at lower rpms, and usually no gears to shift with electric motors. The CDX/ADX with the new CR-V 204hp/247tq hybrid awd powertrain (or the previous gen 190hp/212tq) that gets 40-47 mpg range always on 87 octane at +/-$35,000 price range would be at the top of my list above the 2.0T RDX.
The exception might be a hybrid powertrain for less driveline power loss? Electric motors can be connected directly to the drive wheels, less mechanical moving parts, max tq at lower rpms, and usually no gears to shift with electric motors. The CDX/ADX with the new CR-V 204hp/247tq hybrid awd powertrain (or the previous gen 190hp/212tq) that gets 40-47 mpg range always on 87 octane at +/-$35,000 price range would be at the top of my list above the 2.0T RDX.
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#84
Acura said the 25 ADX will be turbocharged, so that essentially says they aren't planning a hybrid. But they also said it was going to launch in 2024 just 3 months ago, and now they say 2025, so plans can change.
With a civic hybrid already announced for this year and no HRV Hybrid, it created enough space to for the ADX to be a hybrid and sell well in 2024. My guess is that with the financial markets predicting much longer high-interest-rates than they did 3 months ago, and the market share tilting low end with Honda massively outselling Acura in 1Q24, maybe Acura decided to reallocate hybrid parts they had reserved for a 2024 ADX back into more 2024 Civic Hybrids, and push off ADX to 2025 as they await more favorability in premium market demand.
With a civic hybrid already announced for this year and no HRV Hybrid, it created enough space to for the ADX to be a hybrid and sell well in 2024. My guess is that with the financial markets predicting much longer high-interest-rates than they did 3 months ago, and the market share tilting low end with Honda massively outselling Acura in 1Q24, maybe Acura decided to reallocate hybrid parts they had reserved for a 2024 ADX back into more 2024 Civic Hybrids, and push off ADX to 2025 as they await more favorability in premium market demand.
#85
Burning Brakes
I've seen some threads with sh-awd vehicle having around +/- 30% driveline loss depending on front/rear bias % and how much tq vectoring. Doesn't leave a lot of power left over for performance at 200hp when you only have around 140-150 hp to work with. I can see why Acura would use the less power hungry CR-V "slip-n-grip" on demand awd system for vehicles under 200hp.
The exception might be a hybrid powertrain for less driveline power loss? Electric motors can be connected directly to the drive wheels, less mechanical moving parts, max tq at lower rpms, and usually no gears to shift with electric motors. The CDX/ADX with the new CR-V 204hp/247tq hybrid awd powertrain (or the previous gen 190hp/212tq) that gets 40-47 mpg range always on 87 octane at +/-$35,000 price range would be at the top of my list above the 2.0T RDX.
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