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https://hondacarmodels.com/2023-acura-rdx-type-s/

 

Not familiar with that website but the headline had me

Repordatly

Spell check much??

Anyway with that aside, hope it true as I might be in the market for an RDX Type-S down the road.

 

They have enough trouble right now getting 2022's out to the market. Those 23 S Types will be even harder to latch onto and probably have ADMU on them. Still, it will be fun to check one out whenever they get here. And 21" tires? Watch those curbs!

 

Clickbait site lol

 

I may be in the minority on this but I'd rather see 355+ hp coming from a plug-in hybrid model that gets north of 30MPG than what this article outlines. The specs in that article may have been impressive 10 years ago but today.... not so much.

 

Agree, at almost $4 a gallon for premium (mid west) and a thirsty turbo engine, wish Acura/Honda would quickly get on the hybrid and EV development bandwagon. Hopping that OPEC and Russia don’t squeeze us for oil, now that we are energy dependent is highly unlikely.

 

They already had RLX sport hybrid with those power numbers, they somehow chose to gut that and build a new V6 turbo for similar combined hp/torque of J35 and batteries.

 

You’re not alone - I would love a sport hybrid too, not just for the mpg but for the extra torque that would balance the turbo nicely. Sadly it seems Acura has said they’re not doing hybrid - straight to all-electric instead. I’m not too sad because I’ll probably keep my RDX for another 6 years and be looking to buy an electric vehicle at that time anyway. Maybe an Acura, but not if I get a Rivian first…

As for the RDX Type-S not likely until the next model which is still probably 2 years away.

 

Cant see myself paying $58K for an RDX Type S. I am already not happy with the pricing paid for the APSEC/ADVANCE and the price hikes.

 

Honestly, by the time it does release ( I'm placing my bets for Q1 2024 with 99% delays), everyone's looking into EV options. If Lexus EVs are great once the reviews are out, I would happily do a trade in the year after...- that is if gas prices remain as they are.

 

an RDX TYPE S will NOT happen - lets stop dreaming people. The industry is changing - MDX and TLX are flagship vehicles and thus got the Type S treatment.

they never said a Type S trim would be out for all models - all they commited to was A-SPEC on all.

 

With $6-8 for gallon of gas I want to see them sell Type S that will get perhaps 22 MPG on highway?

 

At this point, I just want them to pull in the 2024 Ultium EV as fast as they can. An EV Type-S would be really nice.

As for the illusive RDX-S, I see similar real world fuel economy on the it versus the 2.0T, and highway will be better if your cruise speed is 70+ mph. Speaking from experience on MDX-S, I found the 3.0T is more efficient between 72-80mph compared to my RDX.

 

You must have missed this: https://www.motortrend.com/features/...eda-interview/

 

I think Acura had good intentions, but plans change. it wouldn't surprise me if any plans they might have had for an RDX Type S were canceled considering how much the market has changed in the nearly two years since that interview. If an ICE-powered RDX Type S was coming, you'd think we'd know by now. Although Acura kinda walked back comments that the Integra would be the last all-new ICE-powered Acura, the next gen RDX (or whatever model replaces it) could very well be electric. The good news: Type S treatment on an electric RDX should be no problem.

 

My point is to refute the claim that Acura "never said a Type S trim would be out for all models" when in fact they did say 2 years ago that there would be a Type S for all future models. For the RDX whether that's in form of the 3.0T as we know it, or an electrified offering, who knows, but the point remains that Acura said there will be a Type S for everything. Whether it actually happens or not is immaterial.

 

I also think Acura changed their minds on this as they also said the RDX's front end was designed to hold a V6. The switch to EVs probably ate up a bunch of budget BUT I can't imagine that the R&D to add a V6 to the RDX would be that much and it's just a ticket to print money in this market. Maybe it'll come in the next rev of the RDX - it's likely just a heavy refresh of the current model anyways since an EV replacement is coming.

 

I truly like my RDX A-Spec, and with 355hp, I will like my Type S when I totally go get one. Have to wait out the ADM's. I like my RDX enough to get a faster one. Just wish they went touchscreen

 

I think that statement was misinterpreted - “wants” do not equal plans. Their leaked product timeline clearly excluded a Type S RDX for this gen, which is the most authoritative source we’ve ever had on the topic.

 

Read more closely: Ikeda said “That’s the plan”. I don’t know how clearer it could be.

As far as 3G vs 4G, I don’t expect a 3G Type S at this point either, but that doesn’t really matter; fact is Acura says the plan is for a Type S for all new models, counter to what the other guy claimed about how “an RDX TYPE S will NOT happen” and how “they never said a Type S trim would be out for all models”. Based on his reasoning that “MDX and TLX are flagship vehicles and thus got the Type S treatment” then a 4G RDX won’t get the Type S treatment either, so it would seem we’re not talking about just the 3G RDX.

 

Ikeda was probably strung out on opium and meant to say A-Spec treatment on all - MARK MY WORDS - we will NOT see an Acura RDX Type S. The future is now and Acura is already behind -

 

 

YES you are thinking there will be a RDX Type S. get over it...

 

So just to be clear, if only the flagship cars (TLX and MDX) will get a Type S treatment, then the Integra Type S will not happen either, correct?

 

If it happens, most people won’t buy it. I already got bad gas mileage in the RDX and the range is already 270 at best when I owned it. Imagine how much the RDX type S would get.

With today’s gas prices the way it is, Acura is probably focusing more energy on phev/EV/hybrids. It would’ve been nice to get the RDX type S but in today’s market, probably not financially a good move on Acura’s part.

 

If I am not mistaken, Acura no longer has any hybrids in its line, but they used to have (hybrid MDX?). Makes you wonder why they decided to abandon hybrid/EV development.
RDX type S will be very expensive, and with todays gas prices the sales will be bad. People with deep pockets would likely consider BMW rather than expensive RDX type S.

 

He also said “future models,” and the current Gen RDX had already been out for a while at the date of that interview. You seem to agree with that. I’m not following your 4G logic. Everyone asking about RDX Type S is wondering about the current Gen.

In any event, Type S is going to be stupid when it comes to electric cars anyways since they’ll all
have ridiculously fast torque.

 

The person I was responding to suggested that no RDX will ever get a Type S trim because it is not a flagship model. That statement isn't restricted to the 3G; it's a broad statement applied to all RDX generations. And less you think there's miscommunication, he himself doubled down on it; first he said Acura wants it to happen but there's no plan, and then when I pointed out that Ikeda literally said there is a plan, he backpedaled and suggested that Ikeda was high and misspoke, mixing up Type S and A-Spec.

 

Yes, they had a hybrid MDX and a hybrid RLX and both were really neat vehicles and it's unfortunate that they abandoned hybrids; and even more mind boggling when you think about how successful Honda's have been.

 

It's fun trying to guess Acura's thinking in this area:

Honda had its engineers working with GM developing Ultium, and it seems their product planning folks spoke a lot too as both brands announced their premium brands (Cadillac/Acura) were going all-EV and abandoning hybrids. Acura continued to speak to an all-EV future throughout 2020/2021, but it is a bit suspicious that they didn't speak much of it in 2022, and didn't make all their dealers invest in EV chargers like Cadillac required. Makes me think they are stalling plans as they repoint towards Sony, so maybe the hybrids have some life.

I suspect the unbranded Acura EV that will be manufactured alongside the Lyric in 2024 was planned to be the 4th gen RDX, the size and timing seem right. Lyric has a 4 second 0-60, so an Ultium RDX variant could easily be branded as a type-S. I never thought that was a great idea as I've long felt that the family/practical market isn't ready for EV inconveniences this early, though I'm wondering if Honda was planning to push those customers to the 23 CRV Hybrid instead.

The real question in my mind is what the Sony repoint may have done to the above. When the 23 CRV Hybrid guts are announced in a couple weeks, we'll find out if it uses the current RDX platform. If so, it will help us understand if hybridization of the RDX is easy to pivot to. This could allow Acura to brand a Hybrid RDX as a TypeS instead of the EV one. Acura Hybrids are no joke, reviewers say my 2020 MDX Hybrid beats my 22 RDX PMC by 0.6 seconds in a 0-60, despite weighing 400 pounds more.

 

Where are you seeing the Lyriq doing 0-60 in 4 secs? Everything I'm seeing says they guesstimate it to be around 6 secs. That being said, the Lyriq has zero sporty pretensions whatsoever. What it looks like is an ultra-comfortable & refined people mover. Personally I think it looks good and the price is right. I think Cadillac is going to have a big hit with the car, as well as its more pedestrian cousin, the Blazer EV which will be based off it and likely a good chunk cheaper. We'll see how well they do as far as reliability goes.

Acura could use the platform, but I'm sure they would do their own suspension tweaking as well as other engineering to create their own driving dynamic. The level of performance of the Lyriq is enough for the vast majority of consumers who actually look at Acura. If this does become the RDX or RDX variant, I doubt this current carryover would be the Type-S. That being said, with the constant evolution of electric motors, it's not unlikely that there's going to be a more powerful version available in the near future.

That aside, Cadillac is charging ~$63k for the Lyriq. I doubt GM is going to be giving away the ranch for their platform and will be charging Honda a pretty penny for them, as they don't want an RDX-sized EV undercutting them. I'd expect something from the Acura side starting at a minimum of $55k ... more than likely closer to $60k. The value would still be there as Acuras generally come better equipped while Cadillac charges extra for everything.

 

Lyric may have slowed down, the first response on Google said 4 secs, but MDX TypeS is 5.5 so anything close to that would be S caliber.

GM and Honda co-developed Ultium so I'm sure they share some profits of either brand's sales at least for 2024. Last I heard GM employees will be the ones assembling the Acura at the same plant as the Lyriq.

Timing seemed right for this to be the RDX, but it is suspicious that the ADX was trademarked around the same time that the Sony partnership was announced. If Honda is pivoting away from Ultium they wouldn't want to risk their RDX brand equity on it, so it will be very telling on what they ultimately name this vehicle.

 

Never forget the Mustang Mach E. Some companies just do wild things.

 

GM and Acura did not co-develop Ultium. It is a 100% GM-engineered product top to bottom. Yes, Honda/Acura will be involved in the design of their Ultium-based vehicles, but that's likely all the involvement Honda will have. Even the infotainment will likely be a tweaked version of GM's system.

Regarding Sony Honda Mobility, there is still a lot we don't know. There has been plenty of speculation, of course, but until more details are released, it's educated-guessing at best.

With a footprint almost the exact size of the MDX, the Lyriq is considerably larger than the RDX. Although Ultium is very scalable, I wouldn't be surprised if Acura's version is similar in size. Remember when there were rumors the ZDX was returning? Perfect opportunity right here. I won't deny an Ultium-based RDX is completely possible, however, and the timing should be ideal for the next generation RDX.

As disappointing as it is to hear, I don't think Honda was bluffing when they said they were done with hybrids, and it's probably too late to change their minds even if they want to. I loved the MDX Sport Hybrid's drivetrain, but I can see why many potential buyers didn't see the appeal and/or the value. I'm afraid they're fully committed to Honda focusing on hybrids until the transition to full electric is complete.

 

Correction: that was supposed to say "I don't think Acura was bluffing ..."

 

I was unaware of the Sony/Honda linkup, curious what that'll bring to the market but from the press releases I looked at Sony is more on the S/W and electronics side which plays to their strong technology suite although they indicated Sony will not get into battery production.
https://electrek.co/2022/06/16/sony-...s-top-billing/

I don't blame Acura for bailing on hybrids, they just didn't sell well for all models despite not a large increase in price. Neighbor has a 3G RLX Sport Hybrid and is so pleased that he wants to keep it indefinitely.

 

Was referring to the collaboration below:
https://csr.honda.com/2018/06/07/gm-...ry-components/

I presume some of this went into Ultium and was why Honda got to use Ultium for the Prologue and the unnamed Acura crossover.

 

The RDX's price is a good deal compared to others in its class, the issue is mostly its quality. regardless of a $25,000 car or a $54,000 car, there has to be quality, and my 2022 RDX doesn't tell me to invest further in Acura.

 

Honda is using the word "collaboration" to describe what is ultimately the purchase of GM's engineering and manufacturing capability. The following statement from that article you linked essentially says exactly that.

"Under the agreement, the companies will collaborate based on GM’s next generation battery system with the intent for Honda to source the battery modules from GM. The collaboration will support each company’s respective and distinct vehicles. The combined scale and global manufacturing efficiencies will ultimately provide greater value to customers."

 

I'd buy this in a heart beat. MDX is too big/bloated, TLX is too small - RDX is my PERFECT size (and look). I just need them to make it a Type S and we're on. Even 2.0T from CTR would be game, anything more (3.0T) would be a bonus.