2021 RDX PMC Edition-Thermal Orange Pearl
#41
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Wheel. Usually they retained three of the hubcaps, but one was always missing ... and of the three remaining hubcaps, one was a different style.
#42
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Hey hey hey, I prefer "wannabe". It does make me feel ... uneasy (for lack of a better word) when I see standard or Tech RDX's and know that my "faster looking" A-Spec has absolutely nothing extra under the hood. Then again, it's not like I'm lining up my RDX against anyone, especially not with your typical RDX owner. It just looks so much better IMO, faster or not. I'll probably give it another year or so to ensure there's no major flaws with this car before throwing at least a Stage 1 tune on it, and maybe some JDM and K&N stickers on the windows.
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#46
It's also "hand-built", but not really, it's more just hand-assembled, and even then how much of that is beyond the normal production process is questionable. Per the article:
When people hear "hand-built', they think of the AMG motors that are literally built by hand by a single master engine maker. In this case, the engine, transmission, etc. are the exact same as what you get from a normal RDX.
If you've ever watched any of the car production videos on Youtube, you'd also notice that a lot of the assembly itself is actually done by hand.
For instance, for the Accord, fast forward to 6 minutes in (right after the painting process). You'll notice that a lot of the actual assembly does have human involvement, and I highly doubt the PMC folks are dropping in engines and lifting up transmissions without some machinery to help.
Immediately following the paint process, PMC master technicians begin hand assembly, starting with installation of all drivetrain and chassis components, wiring harnesses and electronics. Once completed, the PMC Edition 20-inch wheels and tires and exterior trim are added. The final step in the process is to fit the vehicle with its unique interior including an individually numbered serial plate affixed to the RDX’s center console.
If you've ever watched any of the car production videos on Youtube, you'd also notice that a lot of the assembly itself is actually done by hand.
For instance, for the Accord, fast forward to 6 minutes in (right after the painting process). You'll notice that a lot of the actual assembly does have human involvement, and I highly doubt the PMC folks are dropping in engines and lifting up transmissions without some machinery to help.
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#50
What, you don't trust the renowned craftsmanship and the famed attention-to-detail of the finest $25/hr workers that the state of Ohio has to offer? Move over, Switzerland, Ohio now has the title of Precision Crafting.
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#51
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The person(s) who installed the interior bits of my A-Spec were surely on meth.
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JB in AZ (09-22-2020)
#54
Suzuka Master
yeah, thats the issue with Honda being hand-built. Its one thing when Bentley or Ferrari does it, but Acura hand built? Common, they are out of their minds
#56
Three Wheelin'
These will sit forever like the TLXs are. I am just wondering how long they will need to sit before they see any discount at all. Hell with the TLX ones it's an even tougher sell now that a new design is arriving.
Another boneheaded Acura move. I can just picture their meetings: "So does anyone have anymore ideas on how to lose money?"
Another boneheaded Acura move. I can just picture their meetings: "So does anyone have anymore ideas on how to lose money?"
#57
These will sit forever like the TLXs are. I am just wondering how long they will need to sit before they see any discount at all. Hell with the TLX ones it's an even tougher sell now that a new design is arriving.
Another boneheaded Acura move. I can just picture their meetings: "So does anyone have anymore ideas on how to lose money?"
Another boneheaded Acura move. I can just picture their meetings: "So does anyone have anymore ideas on how to lose money?"
At the very least, this got them some additional PR and media coverage, so that's something.
The interesting thing with the TLX PMC is that even though it's got a $50K MSRP, it's actually a fair price if you look at what you get. If you add the $3850 Advance package to an V6 SH-AWD A-Spec, it also comes out to $50K after destination, so you're essentially getting the fancy pants paintjob thrown in for free. Plenty of people have been bemoaning the fact that you can't get the A-Spec look with the Advance package, so I don't think it's a lack of demand. I think the problem is that the dealers are unwilling to budge at all on price, which makes this car a comparatively bad value when compared to an A-Spec or an Advance.
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#58
Drifting
It might not make them much money, but I doubt they'd lose money. I suspect that the workers who would have been sitting idle have some sort of guaranteed minimum number of work hours in their contract, so rather than pay them to do nothing, at least they're doing something. Also keep in mind that there's minimal additional development or tooling costs for a car like this; it's quite literally just marrying the A-Spec stuff with the Advanced stuff.
At the very least, this got them some additional PR and media coverage, so that's something.
The interesting thing with the TLX PMC is that even though it's got a $50K MSRP, it's actually a fair price if you look at what you get. If you add the $3850 Advance package to an V6 SH-AWD A-Spec, it also comes out to $50K after destination, so you're essentially getting the fancy pants paintjob thrown in for free. Plenty of people have been bemoaning the fact that you can't get the A-Spec look with the Advance package, so I don't think it's a lack of demand. I think the problem is that the dealers are unwilling to budge at all on price, which makes this car a comparatively bad value when compared to an A-Spec or an Advance.
At the very least, this got them some additional PR and media coverage, so that's something.
The interesting thing with the TLX PMC is that even though it's got a $50K MSRP, it's actually a fair price if you look at what you get. If you add the $3850 Advance package to an V6 SH-AWD A-Spec, it also comes out to $50K after destination, so you're essentially getting the fancy pants paintjob thrown in for free. Plenty of people have been bemoaning the fact that you can't get the A-Spec look with the Advance package, so I don't think it's a lack of demand. I think the problem is that the dealers are unwilling to budge at all on price, which makes this car a comparatively bad value when compared to an A-Spec or an Advance.
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#60
Three Wheelin'
It might not make them much money, but I doubt they'd lose money. I suspect that the workers who would have been sitting idle have some sort of guaranteed minimum number of work hours in their contract, so rather than pay them to do nothing, at least they're doing something. Also keep in mind that there's minimal additional development or tooling costs for a car like this; it's quite literally just marrying the A-Spec stuff with the Advanced stuff.
At the very least, this got them some additional PR and media coverage, so that's something.
The interesting thing with the TLX PMC is that even though it's got a $50K MSRP, it's actually a fair price if you look at what you get. If you add the $3850 Advance package to an V6 SH-AWD A-Spec, it also comes out to $50K after destination, so you're essentially getting the fancy pants paintjob thrown in for free. Plenty of people have been bemoaning the fact that you can't get the A-Spec look with the Advance package, so I don't think it's a lack of demand. I think the problem is that the dealers are unwilling to budge at all on price, which makes this car a comparatively bad value when compared to an A-Spec or an Advance.
At the very least, this got them some additional PR and media coverage, so that's something.
The interesting thing with the TLX PMC is that even though it's got a $50K MSRP, it's actually a fair price if you look at what you get. If you add the $3850 Advance package to an V6 SH-AWD A-Spec, it also comes out to $50K after destination, so you're essentially getting the fancy pants paintjob thrown in for free. Plenty of people have been bemoaning the fact that you can't get the A-Spec look with the Advance package, so I don't think it's a lack of demand. I think the problem is that the dealers are unwilling to budge at all on price, which makes this car a comparatively bad value when compared to an A-Spec or an Advance.
#62
I see where you are going but if you go through the expense of making 360 special cars and you only sell 60, you've definitely lost money. I got curious and did a quick nationwide search of the TLX and the same cars I saw when it first came out are still sitting. In fact it was apparently getting so bad that some dealers have been using them as demo/personal cars and are now selling them as used CPOs with a pretty significant discount all things considered ($7-8K).
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#64
Drifting
https://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?...tem_id=1427867 Temple of VTEC says it's there. It combines the best of both A-Spec and Advance so it's a 16 way ventilated seat and also has the adaptive dampers.
No mention of the ventilated seats...but it does mention heated steering wheel and heated outboard rear seats.
Reason I ask, is I wonder how the Ultrasuede will handle the holes for the ventilation.
#65
"16-way power Sport Seats trimmed in Ebony Milano leather and Ultrasuede®, heated steering wheel and heated outboard rear seats."
No mention of the ventilated seats...but it does mention heated steering wheel and heated outboard rear seats.
Reason I ask, is I wonder how the Ultrasuede will handle the holes for the ventilation.
No mention of the ventilated seats...but it does mention heated steering wheel and heated outboard rear seats.
Reason I ask, is I wonder how the Ultrasuede will handle the holes for the ventilation.
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...ge-pearl-paint
Ventilated front seats are listed there for the PMC model.
#66
Drifting
Check out the feature matrix
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...ge-pearl-paint
Ventilated front seats are listed there for the PMC model.
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...ge-pearl-paint
Ventilated front seats are listed there for the PMC model.
I guess they can punch holes in the suede just like the "Perforated Milano Premium Leather"
Wait, does the A-Spec have ventilated seats now?
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Acura.ca video. Only 30 available in Canada. The video states the cars are “hand made”
Last edited by 4th Acura; 09-23-2020 at 12:38 PM. Reason: More info and commentary.
#70
Will the PMC have power folding mirrors?
Hand built to me thinks panel gaps will be better than what's currently for sale. Also all the small issues u guys bitch get resolved.
No it doesn't make sense to upgrade to PMC. It's quick fix to add more attention into the showroom.
Hand built to me thinks panel gaps will be better than what's currently for sale. Also all the small issues u guys bitch get resolved.
No it doesn't make sense to upgrade to PMC. It's quick fix to add more attention into the showroom.
#71
My dealership i worked at until recently couldn't sell their TLX PMC so sadly enough its now being used as a loaner car. Embarrassing. They still have their MDX PMC on the showroom floor
HOWEVER, being that those are old models going out and RDX is current, I do have to say, wow, it looks sharp in that thermal orange. I think it will sell better than TLX and PMC. But honestly, yes, Acura should offer an advance aspec thats not a PMC. But to be real, I worked in sales, and had I think maybe 1 customer who would have wanted that, the rest didn't care and were plenty find with tech aspec. So low demand is probably why they don't have that option, but if I personally was in the market for an Acura I would want fully loaded! Go big or go home
HOWEVER, being that those are old models going out and RDX is current, I do have to say, wow, it looks sharp in that thermal orange. I think it will sell better than TLX and PMC. But honestly, yes, Acura should offer an advance aspec thats not a PMC. But to be real, I worked in sales, and had I think maybe 1 customer who would have wanted that, the rest didn't care and were plenty find with tech aspec. So low demand is probably why they don't have that option, but if I personally was in the market for an Acura I would want fully loaded! Go big or go home
#72
My dealership i worked at until recently couldn't sell their TLX PMC so sadly enough its now being used as a loaner car. Embarrassing. They still have their MDX PMC on the showroom floor
HOWEVER, being that those are old models going out and RDX is current, I do have to say, wow, it looks sharp in that thermal orange. I think it will sell better than TLX and PMC. But honestly, yes, Acura should offer an advance aspec thats not a PMC. But to be real, I worked in sales, and had I think maybe 1 customer who would have wanted that, the rest didn't care and were plenty find with tech aspec. So low demand is probably why they don't have that option, but if I personally was in the market for an Acura I would want fully loaded! Go big or go home
HOWEVER, being that those are old models going out and RDX is current, I do have to say, wow, it looks sharp in that thermal orange. I think it will sell better than TLX and PMC. But honestly, yes, Acura should offer an advance aspec thats not a PMC. But to be real, I worked in sales, and had I think maybe 1 customer who would have wanted that, the rest didn't care and were plenty find with tech aspec. So low demand is probably why they don't have that option, but if I personally was in the market for an Acura I would want fully loaded! Go big or go home
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mcrompton (09-24-2020)
#74
Burning Brakes
I realize I'm biased because I just spent the past couple of days touring the PMC and some other Honda facilities as part of my NSX Insider Experience. But a few thoughts from the only person on this board likely to have seen a thermal orange pearl RDX up close:
- The color is spectacular, especially with all the glossy black parts. If you had described this to me before I saw it, I would have thought it was a terrible idea. But seeing it in person, it looks incredible. If I was in the market for an RDX, I honestly wouldn't even consider any other trim level now.
- To those who think Honda workers in Ohio can't build a world-class vehicle, I strongly beg to differ. These folks who work in the PMC blew me away, and I've spent most of my life in the world of building satellites (where you kind of expect the engineering staff and technicians to be a cut above). I'd say the average years of experience of people we met was 25. Before they can get a job in the PMC they have to pass a battery of tests and interviews, not just with management but with their prospective team members on the line. So not only are they individually spectacular, they function together as a team like few such groups I have ever seen. The obvious pride they take in their work shows in the quality of what they produce, and they take the PMC edition "regular" Acuras just as seriously as the NSX. Not a single one of them wants to be responsible for hurting the prestige of the PMC name.
- Of course all mass-produced automobiles have parts that are made or assembled by robots, and parts that are done by humans. And the parts that are done by humans use the help of fixtures and tools--it's not like "hand-built" means they're building a car like a sword on Forged in Fire. But at the PMC there are many more steps done by the humans, especially intensive quality checks on seemingly-mundane items like paint uniformity and panel gaps. I am convinced, after what I saw the past couple of days, that the PMC edition RDXs will be the best-built, highest-quality RDXs out there.
I don't know if it will be a rousing sales success--after all, this is a $50k+ RDX we're talking about in a color that, as spectacular as it is to my eyes, will not win over every potential buyer. Dealerships are also likely to overplay the exclusivity card, refusing to deal to the point where orange RDXs are sitting in showrooms all over the country. But to anyone lucky enough to buy one, I'm pretty confident in saying you're going to love it.
- The color is spectacular, especially with all the glossy black parts. If you had described this to me before I saw it, I would have thought it was a terrible idea. But seeing it in person, it looks incredible. If I was in the market for an RDX, I honestly wouldn't even consider any other trim level now.
- To those who think Honda workers in Ohio can't build a world-class vehicle, I strongly beg to differ. These folks who work in the PMC blew me away, and I've spent most of my life in the world of building satellites (where you kind of expect the engineering staff and technicians to be a cut above). I'd say the average years of experience of people we met was 25. Before they can get a job in the PMC they have to pass a battery of tests and interviews, not just with management but with their prospective team members on the line. So not only are they individually spectacular, they function together as a team like few such groups I have ever seen. The obvious pride they take in their work shows in the quality of what they produce, and they take the PMC edition "regular" Acuras just as seriously as the NSX. Not a single one of them wants to be responsible for hurting the prestige of the PMC name.
- Of course all mass-produced automobiles have parts that are made or assembled by robots, and parts that are done by humans. And the parts that are done by humans use the help of fixtures and tools--it's not like "hand-built" means they're building a car like a sword on Forged in Fire. But at the PMC there are many more steps done by the humans, especially intensive quality checks on seemingly-mundane items like paint uniformity and panel gaps. I am convinced, after what I saw the past couple of days, that the PMC edition RDXs will be the best-built, highest-quality RDXs out there.
I don't know if it will be a rousing sales success--after all, this is a $50k+ RDX we're talking about in a color that, as spectacular as it is to my eyes, will not win over every potential buyer. Dealerships are also likely to overplay the exclusivity card, refusing to deal to the point where orange RDXs are sitting in showrooms all over the country. But to anyone lucky enough to buy one, I'm pretty confident in saying you're going to love it.
#75
Expanse me
I realize I'm biased because I just spent the past couple of days touring the PMC and some other Honda facilities as part of my NSX Insider Experience. But a few thoughts from the only person on this board likely to have seen a thermal orange pearl RDX up close:
- The color is spectacular, especially with all the glossy black parts. If you had described this to me before I saw it, I would have thought it was a terrible idea. But seeing it in person, it looks incredible. If I was in the market for an RDX, I honestly wouldn't even consider any other trim level now.
- To those who think Honda workers in Ohio can't build a world-class vehicle, I strongly beg to differ. These folks who work in the PMC blew me away, and I've spent most of my life in the world of building satellites (where you kind of expect the engineering staff and technicians to be a cut above). I'd say the average years of experience of people we met was 25. Before they can get a job in the PMC they have to pass a battery of tests and interviews, not just with management but with their prospective team members on the line. So not only are they individually spectacular, they function together as a team like few such groups I have ever seen. The obvious pride they take in their work shows in the quality of what they produce, and they take the PMC edition "regular" Acuras just as seriously as the NSX. Not a single one of them wants to be responsible for hurting the prestige of the PMC name.
- Of course all mass-produced automobiles have parts that are made or assembled by robots, and parts that are done by humans. And the parts that are done by humans use the help of fixtures and tools--it's not like "hand-built" means they're building a car like a sword on Forged in Fire. But at the PMC there are many more steps done by the humans, especially intensive quality checks on seemingly-mundane items like paint uniformity and panel gaps. I am convinced, after what I saw the past couple of days, that the PMC edition RDXs will be the best-built, highest-quality RDXs out there.
I don't know if it will be a rousing sales success--after all, this is a $50k+ RDX we're talking about in a color that, as spectacular as it is to my eyes, will not win over every potential buyer. Dealerships are also likely to overplay the exclusivity card, refusing to deal to the point where orange RDXs are sitting in showrooms all over the country. But to anyone lucky enough to buy one, I'm pretty confident in saying you're going to love it.
- The color is spectacular, especially with all the glossy black parts. If you had described this to me before I saw it, I would have thought it was a terrible idea. But seeing it in person, it looks incredible. If I was in the market for an RDX, I honestly wouldn't even consider any other trim level now.
- To those who think Honda workers in Ohio can't build a world-class vehicle, I strongly beg to differ. These folks who work in the PMC blew me away, and I've spent most of my life in the world of building satellites (where you kind of expect the engineering staff and technicians to be a cut above). I'd say the average years of experience of people we met was 25. Before they can get a job in the PMC they have to pass a battery of tests and interviews, not just with management but with their prospective team members on the line. So not only are they individually spectacular, they function together as a team like few such groups I have ever seen. The obvious pride they take in their work shows in the quality of what they produce, and they take the PMC edition "regular" Acuras just as seriously as the NSX. Not a single one of them wants to be responsible for hurting the prestige of the PMC name.
- Of course all mass-produced automobiles have parts that are made or assembled by robots, and parts that are done by humans. And the parts that are done by humans use the help of fixtures and tools--it's not like "hand-built" means they're building a car like a sword on Forged in Fire. But at the PMC there are many more steps done by the humans, especially intensive quality checks on seemingly-mundane items like paint uniformity and panel gaps. I am convinced, after what I saw the past couple of days, that the PMC edition RDXs will be the best-built, highest-quality RDXs out there.
I don't know if it will be a rousing sales success--after all, this is a $50k+ RDX we're talking about in a color that, as spectacular as it is to my eyes, will not win over every potential buyer. Dealerships are also likely to overplay the exclusivity card, refusing to deal to the point where orange RDXs are sitting in showrooms all over the country. But to anyone lucky enough to buy one, I'm pretty confident in saying you're going to love it.
#76
Suzuka Master
Sorry, but this is just bunch of gimmics with hand made and some special color. Who cares? How about they fix limp mode and sudden acceleration, or
provide more powerful engine. This is just all marketing BS
provide more powerful engine. This is just all marketing BS
#77
https://acurazine.com/forums/third-g.../#post16526861
#78
Suzuka Master
Yeesh, you used to be such an ardent Acura apologist who would always staunchly defend them. What did you do to the real russianDude?
https://acurazine.com/forums/third-g.../#post16526861
https://acurazine.com/forums/third-g.../#post16526861
I never claimed that Acura products are perfect. They do give you a decent car for the money you pay. Some things they do, I do not like. I still hope they fix limp mode.
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ESHBG (09-25-2020)
#80
Racer
Orange is a gauche color for an SUV, but I'm guessing it looks way nicer in person than the pics/videos. From what I remember, the orange NSX is very active and depending on the light you see multiple shades ranging from reddish-orange to yellowish-orange.
In any event, I think we're at the beginning of a "special edition" resurgence in the auto industry.
In any event, I think we're at the beginning of a "special edition" resurgence in the auto industry.
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