Originally Posted by Hou-RL
(Post 16299832)
Yep, I do get that periodically. I simply click on the settings and select something else and then go back to my channels. I know it will be resolved eventually. I know what I signed up for when I purchased this product. I also work in the IT Engineering field so I understand technology and what can occur. I think that is why I am patient with any issues that may crop up.
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Your not being nit picky. You purchased a new car with ads and representations that said there are certain features that one would be correct to presume work correctly. No one should pay $45,000+ for a car and have to fix things by pulling a fuse. Plus the amount of time your car has been in the shop. You have the right to pursue a lemon law claim and you should if you want. Electronics and software are major parts of cars today and they should work properly. In any event Acura will probably resolve the claim early so as to avoid having to report it to the state. At least it works that way in Florida for the most part. |
The Mazda infotainment systems seem to have had their issues as well. I was looking at the CX-9 for a while. A vertical screen a lot like the one in the RDX & using a controller knob.
Goring through https://www.carcomplaints.com I saw that the infotainment system is often the bulk of complaints on a particular model from various manufacturers. . |
Originally Posted by Newsy1904
(Post 16300246)
The Mazda infotainment systems seem to have had their issues as well. I was looking at the CX-9 for a while. A vertical screen a lot like the one in the RDX & using a controller knob.
Goring through https://www.carcomplaints.com I saw that the infotainment system is often the bulk of complaints on a particular model from various manufacturers. . That doesn't give them excuses to be buggy, but just saying we expect a lot from them these days. |
Originally Posted by acuraada
(Post 16299659)
Hey I actually think the HUD is one of the best HUD out there, beating BMW and Volvo. I haven’t heard of any issues of it yet. Looks like iPhone users will be able to use Google maps and Waze before Android users. iOS 12 is out, has anyone tried it? it would be really ironic if that works Curious, have you driven the BMW with HUD? I like the simple clean look of the RDX, but the turn by turn display was kind of lame, it showed my next turn at the major intersection but I was in a parking lot and I turned the the way the arrow in the HUD showed to exit the parking lot but that was the wrong way to get to the actual turn. This has probably more to do with the general badness of the nav system itself, from reading some of the criticisms here. The BMW had more color but it has this horizontal divider line which looked weird and unnecessary. I didn't get to try out the BMW X3 HUD for too long, but I saw a video where when drivng on the xpressway, the BMW HUD will show lane guidance like my Garmin will (arrows will show which lane is optimal, for example if the xpressway splits and your exit is actually the second right, the arrow will show you to not be in the rightmost exit only lane until the 2nd right exit, or the arrows will tell you to stay in the middle lanes to proceed thru the interchange). I drove an Audi Q5 last year and Waze worked perfectly on Android Auto. The Audi also had the virtual cockpit and it was cool to have the dashboard display Audi's nav map and the infotainment screen showed Waze. I know that it is probably information overload for some, but I like Waze for the crowd sourced traffic, and like the built in nav for the HUD turn by turn. And being a nerd, I love having too much information vs not enough. |
Originally Posted by ednigma
(Post 16300306)
Curious, have you driven the BMW with HUD? I like the simple clean look of the RDX, but the turn by turn display was kind of lame, it showed my next turn at the major intersection but I was in a parking lot and I turned the the way the arrow in the HUD showed to exit the parking lot but that was the wrong way to get to the actual turn. This has probably more to do with the general badness of the nav system itself, from reading some of the criticisms here. The BMW had more color but it has this horizontal divider line which looked weird and unnecessary. I didn't get to try out the BMW X3 HUD for too long, but I saw a video where when drivng on the xpressway, the BMW HUD will show lane guidance like my Garmin will (arrows will show which lane is optimal, for example if the xpressway splits and your exit is actually the second right, the arrow will show you to not be in the rightmost exit only lane until the 2nd right exit, or the arrows will tell you to stay in the middle lanes to proceed thru the interchange).
I drove an Audi Q5 last year and Waze worked perfectly on Android Auto. The Audi also had the virtual cockpit and it was cool to have the dashboard display Audi's nav map and the infotainment screen showed Waze. I know that it is probably information overload for some, but I like Waze for the crowd sourced traffic, and like the built in nav for the HUD turn by turn. And being a nerd, I love having too much information vs not enough. I only hope that the Acura HUD will show Google Maps or Waze directions, I prefer Waze over any in-car systems. |
Originally Posted by verpan
(Post 16299720)
Lemon Law for software that will / can be fixed with an OTA update - unlikely. This is beyond nit picky....
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Originally Posted by cruiserchuck
(Post 16301026)
I do not think the OP is nit picking. It appears that his RDX has serious issues. However, I am not sure how the various lemon laws will be applied to entertainment/software issues. In any event, it sounds like Acura has agreed to give him a different new RDX, so at least they are trying to take care of their customers.
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So after sending photos, videos and demonstrations of issues in the system, the big wigs from Acura flew into Kansas City today to get up close and personal with my vehicle. I dropped it off this morning and they were very serious while I explained and demonstrated some of the issues. They have made it a top priority to get these issues resolved and this not only includes the infotainment system, but also includes issues with the climate control system as well. I will keep everyone updated as they inform me what is going on.
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Originally Posted by Meto
(Post 16303529)
So after sending photos, videos and demonstrations of issues in the system, the big wigs from Acura flew into Kansas City today to get up close and personal with my vehicle. I dropped it off this morning and they were very serious while I explained and demonstrated some of the issues. They have made it a top priority to get these issues resolved and this not only includes the infotainment system, but also includes issues with the climate control system as well. I will keep everyone updated as they inform me what is going on.
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Originally Posted by Meto
(Post 16303529)
So after sending photos, videos and demonstrations of issues in the system, the big wigs from Acura flew into Kansas City today to get up close and personal with my vehicle. I dropped it off this morning and they were very serious while I explained and demonstrated some of the issues. They have made it a top priority to get these issues resolved and this not only includes the infotainment system, but also includes issues with the climate control system as well. I will keep everyone updated as they inform me what is going on.
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Originally Posted by cruiserchuck
(Post 16303781)
I thought I saw a post from you saying that your dealer had agreed to replace your car. Did that not happen?
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Originally Posted by Meto
(Post 16299887)
I work in IT as well as a manager and if my QA staff were to release this buggy software without proper testing, they would be fixing these issues quickly.
The really good news is that you have a commitment to put you in a new RDX and hope you are able to post good news when you get that one. |
Originally Posted by Hou-RL
(Post 16304006)
Then you know that vendors release intial versions with bugs in it all the time. Sometimes some vendors will resolve quickly but automotive doesnt move as fast.
The really good news is that you have a commitment to put you in a new RDX and hope you are able to post good news when you get that one. |
Something to keep in mind about the time it takes to get updates to automotive systems out is regulatory compliance.
Since much of the software either controls or affects the vehicle safety, emission, or operating characteristics it can't be modified willy-nilly whenever someone feels like it. Anything that could even remotely affect mileage or compliance (auto high beam?) would have to get approval before being rolled out. Even something that's totally removed from those functions (navigation zoom in/out for example) - if the code for that function is embedded in the same program/control unit as emission or safety functions it's subject to the same oversight rules. |
Originally Posted by Meto
(Post 16304351)
As stated before, this is not about a few bugs in the system as it isn't just the infotainment system that is a problem. When you pay prices such as these for a vehicle that boasted this system along with other specific features that drew you away from a competitor, then you had better have a team ready to address the issues right away. This is not happening after owning the vehicle nearly 4 months now and I am forcing the issue as a good IT manager should to help everyone and not just myself.
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Originally Posted by MI-RDX
(Post 16304407)
Something to keep in mind about the time it takes to get updates to automotive systems out is regulatory compliance.
Since much of the software either controls or affects the vehicle safety, emission, or operating characteristics it can't be modified willy-nilly whenever someone feels like it. Anything that could even remotely affect mileage or compliance (auto high beam?) would have to get approval before being rolled out. Even something that's totally removed from those functions (navigation zoom in/out for example) - if the code for that function is embedded in the same program/control unit as emission or safety functions it's subject to the same oversight rules. Apparently, this doesn't apply to Tesla, they release minor fixes and major releases all the time. This probably has more to do with agile vs waterfall development. Acura obviously being the latter (well, as with the majority of the car manufacturers) |
Originally Posted by acuraada
(Post 16304540)
Apparently, this doesn't apply to Tesla, they release minor fixes and major releases all the time. This probably has more to do with agile vs waterfall development. Acura obviously being the latter (well, as with the majority of the car manufacturers)
CAFE and emissions are two areas where Tesla is, by virtue of their power train, going to have 'free rein' versus most other makers. Hypothetically, if Tesla were to make changes to improve the 0-60 ET it will have zero impact on their CAFE or emission ratings, but if Acura were to modify the transmission shift point logic it could affect both areas so a different review process comes into play. It's all a matter of what specifically is being modified and how it may impact something subject to regulation. Lastly, and possibly most significantly, Musk doesn't seem the least bit interested in profiting from Tesla at this point, regardless of what he says. He's doing things that have, historically, done nothing but bleed money versus what most companies try to do which is make money. This in spite of revenues exceeding $800 million from 2015-2017 from selling CAFE credits to other manufacturers. According to Tesla’s latest 10-K filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the company has seen more and more money coming in from selling these credits. “Revenue from the sale of regulatory credits totaled $360.3 million, $302.3 million and $168.7 million for the years ended December 31, 2017, 2016 and 2015, respectively,” according to the filing. |
Originally Posted by Meto
(Post 16304351)
As stated before, this is not about a few bugs in the system as it isn't just the infotainment system that is a problem. When you pay prices such as these for a vehicle that boasted this system along with other specific features that drew you away from a competitor, then you had better have a team ready to address the issues right away. This is not happening after owning the vehicle nearly 4 months now and I am forcing the issue as a good IT manager should to help everyone and not just myself.
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As a follow-up to this discussion, it is now day three since I turned in my vehicle and have had zero updates from the Acura team that came in to do an evaluation. They did call me yesterday to ask me questions that I already had provided the answers to concerning the USB drive I use, phone cable.... etc etc... Like I'm an idiot...
Not happy right now, so I texted my rep to find out what is going on |
When they support starts asking questions about types of phones, cable and other peripherals, I always get ready for the scripted tech reply,run around, like did you reboot your DVR, etc. None of those items should make a difference in the performance of the infotainment system. Hopefully you will get some real answers with a solution soon. |
Received the vehicle back today and they have fixed the issue with the climate control and the shifting in comfort mode. They were able to replicate many of the issues concerning the infotainment system I reported and ones they could not replicate, I provided photos and videos so they know what happened. After discussing the situation at length with the district service manager, I have agreed to keep my vehicle with the promise of a system update as soon as possible and a complete refund of my extended warranty and other add-ons I paid for. I still will have the full extended warranty, but in light of the issues I have had, they are just giving me my money back. I really didn't want to go through the re-titling process on a new vehicle.
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As someone who has now experienced the infotainment freeze firsthand, thank you Meto for being so proactive with Acura to make this right. I know what a PITA it is to give up your brand new vehicle for this long of a stretch!
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Originally Posted by Meto
(Post 16305908)
Received the vehicle back today and they have fixed the issue with the climate control and the shifting in comfort mode. They were able to replicate many of the issues concerning the infotainment system I reported and ones they could not replicate, I provided photos and videos so they know what happened. After discussing the situation at length with the district service manager, I have agreed to keep my vehicle with the promise of a system update as soon as possible and a complete refund of my extended warranty and other add-ons I paid for. I still will have the full extended warranty, but in light of the issues I have had, they are just giving me my money back. I really didn't want to go through the re-titling process on a new vehicle.
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Originally Posted by Meto
(Post 16305908)
Received the vehicle back today and they have fixed the issue with the climate control and the shifting in comfort mode. They were able to replicate many of the issues concerning the infotainment system I reported and ones they could not replicate, I provided photos and videos so they know what happened. After discussing the situation at length with the district service manager, I have agreed to keep my vehicle with the promise of a system update as soon as possible and a complete refund of my extended warranty and other add-ons I paid for. I still will have the full extended warranty, but in light of the issues I have had, they are just giving me my money back. I really didn't want to go through the re-titling process on a new vehicle.
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Originally Posted by verpan
(Post 16306222)
So you were 'promised' something that everyone will get at the same time. Sounds like you wasted a huge amount of time.
Thank you Meto. |
the thought of them ripping out your dash or entertainment systems makes me sick.....it will never be tight from the factory...… keep an ear out for cabin rattles....
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Originally Posted by Fabvsix
(Post 16306469)
the thought of them ripping out your dash or entertainment systems makes me sick.....it will never be tight from the factory...… keep an ear out for cabin rattles....
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They merely replaced parts and didnt repair or update anything. Meto was teed off and now seems to be OK even after all the complaints about how Acura failed. Now he is willing to keep the same vehicle after they replaced parts like the dealer would have done anyway. All in all, still no actuall or update and the same car.
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Originally Posted by Hou-RL
(Post 16306576)
They merely replaced parts and didnt repair or update anything. Meto was teed off and now seems to be OK even after all the complaints about how Acura failed. Now he is willing to keep the same vehicle after they replaced parts like the dealer would have done anyway. All in all, still no actuall or update and the same car.
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Well... In a nutshell I will put it to you this way.. They fixed two very important issues and that was the transmission shifting and climate control issues that to me were extremely serious in my opinion. The infotainment system issues I brought to light to make them AWARE that they needed to address the situation as soon as possible without just sitting on it. That was my goal and I succeeded in making them escalate the system fixes. As far as keeping the vehicle goes, the thought of making another trip to the DMV and the headaches involved with that right now was not something I was really looking forward to and when they said that they would extend my warranty and also refund my full purchase price for all warranties, to me it was a very easy decision to make. If something catastrophic goes on in the next few months in the current vehicle, I have a record now with the dealer and Acura concerning my vehicle and I could then request replacement.
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Did they ever tell you what was wrong with and how they fixed the climate control problem? |
Originally Posted by Gator5000e
(Post 16307827)
Did they ever tell you what was wrong with and how they fixed the climate control problem? |
Originally Posted by Fabvsix
(Post 16306469)
the thought of them ripping out your dash or entertainment systems makes me sick.....it will never be tight from the factory...… keep an ear out for cabin rattles....
Full disclosure: I have done a few DIY audio installs in my day. Most of the time the car got put back together with a minimum of "spare parts", and no more squeaks or rattles than it started out with. YMMV |
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