2020 Acura MDX Redesign Odds
#121
#122
#123
Here's another source that predicts the MDX redesign coming in 2019. They think the TLX would come in 2020. I think this is pretty dated as well (Looks like its from mid 2017). Interesting to see what actually happens.
http://www.autonews.com/assets/pdf/f...ssan-honda.pdf
http://www.autonews.com/assets/pdf/f...ssan-honda.pdf
The TLX is on a 5 model year cycle which makes 2019 its final model year. Production stops on the 2019 TLX in March or May I think. The MDX should be out next year as a 2021.
#124
Current MDX has 290hp. The next gen base needs to be in the 325-340 range with a Sport Hybrid around 400! That would be pretty bad ass.
The following users liked this post:
pilozm (01-27-2019)
#125
They didn’t raise the price. Base prices between the 2018 and 2019 are nearly identical when comparing the 2018 w/AcuraSense to the 2019 which has that standard as well as many other features. The price increased on the top end as Acura added the A-Spec and the Advance trim has many features the 2018 didn’t have on any trim. Also there’s the return of SH-AWD on the 2019 of which wasn’t available on the 2G RDX.
In regards to noise, what trim did you drive? The A-Spec’s tend to be louder vs the other trims due to the more aggressive tire choice,
In regards to noise, what trim did you drive? The A-Spec’s tend to be louder vs the other trims due to the more aggressive tire choice,
#126
With the 2019 RDX getting a complete refresh and the ILX getting a refreshed look for 2019 what are the odds for a 2020 MDX complete redesign? Does this new break at a certain time in the industry? This has probably been discussed here and was curious if anyone has seen any credible news stories or even spy photos of a 2020 MDX. I love the look of the RDX and can't wait to see what they do with the MDX.
Last edited by E92Vancouver; 01-25-2019 at 03:44 AM.
#127
That's why I ultimately decided to just bite the bullet and buy a 19 instead as those can be had for under invoice.
#128
Yeah if you can wait, I definitely would. It would be the worst time to buy a new MDX right now if the 2020 is the redesign. You aren't getting the closeout deal for it being the last year of the generation and you bought a old design you're stuck with that immediately looks dated (the interior is really hurting- the new grille helped a bit though).
#129
Confirmed by SVP of American Honda - there will be a new TLX this year, new MDX & ILX next year and Type-S variants within 24 months.
https://www.autonews.com/nada-show/p...-acura-dealers
https://www.autonews.com/nada-show/p...-acura-dealers
The following users liked this post:
moose66 (01-26-2019)
#130
AZ Community Team
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 3,446
Received 1,608 Likes
on
968 Posts
Confirmed by SVP of American Honda - there will be a new TLX this year, new MDX & ILX next year and Type-S variants within 24 months.
https://www.autonews.com/nada-show/p...-acura-dealers
https://www.autonews.com/nada-show/p...-acura-dealers
This a great news and that’s what I predicted a few months ago
the only thing is missing from this article: when is CDX coming to NA market.
#131
#132
Just be prepared to wait up to another year and a half. Also be prepared to spend roughly 10k more as next gen will not only have higher sticker it will sell at full MSRP (maybe more at first) for close to the first year on the market. It should sell even better than the rdx is and with as hot as its selling there's little incentive to discount.
That's why I ultimately decided to just bite the bullet and buy a 19 instead as those can be had for under invoice.
That's why I ultimately decided to just bite the bullet and buy a 19 instead as those can be had for under invoice.
#133
Confirmed by SVP of American Honda - there will be a new TLX this year, new MDX & ILX next year and Type-S variants within 24 months.
https://www.autonews.com/nada-show/p...-acura-dealers
https://www.autonews.com/nada-show/p...-acura-dealers
#134
AZ Community Team
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 3,446
Received 1,608 Likes
on
968 Posts
The ILX just received (another) refresh so I don’t know why its even on this list. Priorities as of right now are the TLX and MDX. After those 2 are on the market, we should start hearing/seeing information about the next RLX/ILX. I still think Acura could use more models. An entry level, next gen CDX would make sense as the small luxury crossover segment is growing. I’d also like to see a return of the CL Coupe (CLX) to combat the Audi A/S5, BMW 4-Series etc etc. I’d also like to see a sexy 4 door coupe version of the next generation RLX to compete with the Audi A/S7 and the Mercedes CLS450/53.
if Acura ever grows it’s lineup, it would like to se:
CDX
ZDZ
TLX coupe
And of course redesigned TLX, MDX, ILX and RLX ASAP!
I will be more than happy
#135
The ILX just received (another) refresh so I don’t know why its even on this list. Priorities as of right now are the TLX and MDX. After those 2 are on the market, we should start hearing/seeing information about the next RLX/ILX. I still think Acura could use more models. An entry level, next gen CDX would make sense as the small luxury crossover segment is growing. I’d also like to see a return of the CL Coupe (CLX) to combat the Audi A/S5, BMW 4-Series etc etc. I’d also like to see a sexy 4 door coupe version of the next generation RLX to compete with the Audi A/S7 and the Mercedes CLS450/53.
I would love for them to come out with an AWD TLX coupe (and type s version), but sadly I think that’s just wishful thinking.
Acura does need to expand their range, but Jon Ikeda keeps saying they want to focus on core models.
#136
There are four lights!
With CUVs dominating sales, it would make absolutely no sense for Acura to introduce a brand new ILX before a CDX. With sedan sales the way they are, the TLX is all they need. If they want a second car, make a coupe version of the CTR and call it RSX. To replace the RLX, slot a new flagship CUV above the MDX.
#138
Funny that people defended Acura for so long when Acura themselves even knew the product took a turn for the worse. Kind of odd to hear the dealers admit they have stale product they have been trying to sell for years.
"For the past few years, we've had some stale product to work with. The dealer board has been very vocal with the manufacturer about our need for new product. And now we're seeing Acura management deliver on making it happen."
"For the past few years, we've had some stale product to work with. The dealer board has been very vocal with the manufacturer about our need for new product. And now we're seeing Acura management deliver on making it happen."
#139
There are four lights!
Funny that people defended Acura for so long when Acura themselves even knew the product took a turn for the worse. Kind of odd to hear the dealers admit they have stale product they have been trying to sell for years.
"For the past few years, we've had some stale product to work with. The dealer board has been very vocal with the manufacturer about our need for new product. And now we're seeing Acura management deliver on making it happen."
"For the past few years, we've had some stale product to work with. The dealer board has been very vocal with the manufacturer about our need for new product. And now we're seeing Acura management deliver on making it happen."
#140
Acura misfortunes arent ted to Ikeda or AHM (American Honda Motor) as the issues stem from the Japanese upper management and the shareholders. Those are the folks who control the resources and they’re extremely ignorant in regards to the luxury segments and modern luxury/performance expectations. AHM needs full control of American Honda and Acura. Trust me, you would see DRASTIC changes if that happened.
#141
The 2019 MDX is already almost 62k MSRP, redesign range topping trim will easily be pushing 67k (which is what a fully loaded Qx60 goes for in 2019).
Considering invoice on a 19 Advance with Entertainment is about 57k and assuming next gen MDX sells at full invoice for some time and you will be paying roughly an extra 10k for the next gen. They won't have trouble selling them as fast as they can make them even at that price.
I couldn't wait but even if I could it wouldn't be worth an extra 10k to me as at that point the Q7 comes into play.
#142
Funny that people defended Acura for so long when Acura themselves even knew the product took a turn for the worse. Kind of odd to hear the dealers admit they have stale product they have been trying to sell for years.
"For the past few years, we've had some stale product to work with. The dealer board has been very vocal with the manufacturer about our need for new product. And now we're seeing Acura management deliver on making it happen."
"For the past few years, we've had some stale product to work with. The dealer board has been very vocal with the manufacturer about our need for new product. And now we're seeing Acura management deliver on making it happen."
#143
If you want to talk about stale products look no further than Infiniti, most of their models outside the new Qx50 are about 9 years into their current design outside of a minor grill refresh. And they'll continue to age another few years until they are ready to electrify their lineup.
The Lexus RX outsells the RDX and MDX combined. Maybe that will change with the MDX redesign.
#144
those mules were the new platform and drivetrains using current TLX body panels from the b-pillar back which is why the front end was covered as the front was the new cars body panels. Also if you look at the dash/axle ratio of the mules, its different vs the current TLX. Also the fender flares on the rear tell me the track is wider. The current TLX cant support the new drivetrains which will be a 2.0t and a 3.0t.
#145
I work for Toyota/Lexus and other than reliability, I’m not sure why the RX sells so well. Its as exciting to drive as a toaster.
#146
I'd have seriously considered the rx350l if it had those, as well as was more comparable size wise to the mdx (rx350l is tiny) and was more exciting to drive. It's in the same price point not like it was radically more expensive
#147
They're entry level luxury (not on par with Lexus BMW Mercedes range rover audi Porsche etc) because they aren't as luxurious in terms of materials or options, aren't as expensive, and don't quite have the reputation to be considered true luxury. Which is fine because they have carved out a nice niche in the entry luxury space. Even audi has struggled to be considered truly a luxury car that is on par with BMW Mercedes range rover jaguar and Porsche, only over the past 6 years or so have they really started to force their way into the discussion for being a true luxury brand
#148
AZ Community Team
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 3,446
Received 1,608 Likes
on
968 Posts
They're entry level luxury (not on par with Lexus BMW Mercedes range rover audi Porsche etc) because they aren't as luxurious in terms of materials or options, aren't as expensive, and don't quite have the reputation to be considered true luxury. Which is fine because they have carved out a nice niche in the entry luxury space. Even audi has struggled to be considered truly a luxury car that is on par with BMW Mercedes range rover jaguar and Porsche, only over the past 6 years or so have they really started to force their way into the discussion for being a true luxury brand
And even now, a group of people stay away from Audi since they are built on VW platform and people find a lot of similarities between VW and Audi.
#149
The RX interior blows the current MDX away but the driving dynamics are definitely terrible. Feels like you are going to tip over if you take a turn a little bit aggressively. If you don't drive like that ever I can see it's appeal.
Acura has pretty much abandoned it's tier 1 luxury ambitions and turned back to the Type-S performance angle. We sell fast cars! They partnered with Penske to try to reignite that image.
Acura has pretty much abandoned it's tier 1 luxury ambitions and turned back to the Type-S performance angle. We sell fast cars! They partnered with Penske to try to reignite that image.
#150
Jon Ikeda almost begging the dealers to hang in there, better times are on the way. It's refreshing to have them admit the public was right, the product was not good. Hopefully, the redesigned MDX steps it up a couple of notches.
https://acurazine.com/forums/automot.../#post16373974
https://acurazine.com/forums/automot.../#post16373974
Last edited by EE4Life; 01-30-2019 at 07:07 PM. Reason: Changed link to Acura Precision Magazine thread
#151
The RX interior blows the current MDX away but the driving dynamics are definitely terrible. Feels like you are going to tip over if you take a turn a little bit aggressively. If you don't drive like that ever I can see it's appeal.
Acura has pretty much abandoned it's tier 1 luxury ambitions and turned back to the Type-S performance angle. We sell fast cars! They partnered with Penske to try to reignite that image.
Acura has pretty much abandoned it's tier 1 luxury ambitions and turned back to the Type-S performance angle. We sell fast cars! They partnered with Penske to try to reignite that image.
Agree 100% about RX interior luxury and driving dynamics. My other gripe is the new L model while having a 3rd row is so much smaller than the mdx it isn't really usable. If it were similar size and had android auto and Apple Carplay I'd really have thought about buying it over the mdx.
#152
Just like Cadillac Lincoln Infiniti and others there is a market for tier 2 luxury brands and so Acura can definitely compete in this space with more emphasis on performance, hopefully they continue to improve the luxury of their products as I think they have to do to compete with those other brands. Infiniti also used to skimp out on luxury and have changed recently to really upgrade the luxury of their new products. If Acura really wants to compete they'll have to continue to upgrade luxury, which the new rdx is a good first step.
Agree 100% about RX interior luxury and driving dynamics. My other gripe is the new L model while having a 3rd row is so much smaller than the mdx it isn't really usable. If it were similar size and had android auto and Apple Carplay I'd really have thought about buying it over the mdx.
Agree 100% about RX interior luxury and driving dynamics. My other gripe is the new L model while having a 3rd row is so much smaller than the mdx it isn't really usable. If it were similar size and had android auto and Apple Carplay I'd really have thought about buying it over the mdx.
#153
Yeah, I thought the RXL was going to be an MDX killer but they kind of phoned it in. It looks like they just shoved a third row in and stretched it a bit. If they include their new torque vectoring AWD (improve driving dynamics) and continue to exceed Acura on luxury, it might be big trouble for the MDX.
If they make a true 3 row comparable in size (cargo and passenger space) to the mdx and finally improve their infotainment and add android auto/apple car play then definitely the mdx has another serious competitor. Even more so if they improve the AWD, improve handling and power and fuel economy.
If it's about the same size, drives similar, has comparable power (acceleration) and fuel economy but has a true luxury interior with Lexus reliability for about the same price I'd have bought it instead of the mdx
#155
Instructor
Yeah if you can wait, I definitely would. It would be the worst time to buy a new MDX right now if the 2020 is the redesign. You aren't getting the closeout deal for it being the last year of the generation and you bought a old design you're stuck with that immediately looks dated (the interior is really hurting- the new grille helped a bit though).
This is my buying dilemma There are several to many aspects of Acura’s current designs that really irritate me. So much so that I recently bought a Toyota Tacoma because of my continued disappointment. Am still considering an MDX to replace my TL-S, I think their last great design, but not sure I want to deal with the issues of a new design release.
#156
2020 MDX PMC edition will be announced in NY next week. Basically a Canadian Elite (A-spec with Advance features) version for the US except it's being built by hand.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/04/11/...alongside-nsx/
Looks like I'll be looking to get deal on a 2019 in the next month or two.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/04/11/...alongside-nsx/
Looks like I'll be looking to get deal on a 2019 in the next month or two.
#157
There are four lights!
2020 MDX PMC edition will be announced in NY next week. Basically a Canadian Elite (A-spec with Advance features) version for the US except it's being built by hand.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/04/11/...alongside-nsx/
Looks like I'll be looking to get deal on a 2019 in the next month or two.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/04/11/...alongside-nsx/
Looks like I'll be looking to get deal on a 2019 in the next month or two.
#158
Or you could look at it from the perspective that they are trying to learn lessons from the RDX which has some brand new technology (including infotainment) to hopefully launch the new MDX on the right foot instead of rushing it and having to mitigate tons of issues with it (also allowing resources to be dedicated to fixing RDX issues instead of being spread across that and finishing up MDX for launch). Although who knows what the rationale for it is
#159
Or you could look at it from the perspective that they are trying to learn lessons from the RDX which has some brand new technology (including infotainment) to hopefully launch the new MDX on the right foot instead of rushing it and having to mitigate tons of issues with it (also allowing resources to be dedicated to fixing RDX issues instead of being spread across that and finishing up MDX for launch). Although who knows what the rationale for it is
Seems silly to release this. Should maybe get those expert technicians over to the RDX assembly line to help them instead of wasting their time hand building an Accord+.
#160
There are four lights!
Or you could look at it from the perspective that they are trying to learn lessons from the RDX which has some brand new technology (including infotainment) to hopefully launch the new MDX on the right foot instead of rushing it and having to mitigate tons of issues with it (also allowing resources to be dedicated to fixing RDX issues instead of being spread across that and finishing up MDX for launch). Although who knows what the rationale for it is
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post