Wtf were they thinking
10-24-2008, 06:22 PM
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Wtf were they thinking
I bought a black on black. black outside.. black inside.. very simple. the ceiling is white, thats cool.. but why God why is the rear speaker/subwoofer piece yellowish tan colored? it makes no sense at all. The whole inside is black. why would that be tan? I wonder if I can take it out and dye it black... anyone do that before?
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10-24-2008, 06:44 PM
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i asked myself the same thing when i saw it at the dealer. The headliner does match it a bit so it blends and the trim has a tan tone to it. I solved the problem by Tinting the windows !!
10-25-2008, 03:07 AM
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you from the bay? Is that Acura of Serramonte I see? =) Well... I totally know what you mean.. shoulda been black... but hey.. I saw that picture... of the white tsx with the painted grill.. where did you find that picture?
10-25-2008, 11:07 AM
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easy answer.
look down at the passenger door.
front one.
inner panel.
down by the cubby.
now go look at the driver's door.
see on the driver's door how there's a button there (for the trunk I think it is)?
and see on the passenger door how there's just a blank space where it
looks like a button should go there?
it's just a reverse mold. they use that to cut costs.
on this model year, on the interior especially, they cut enormous costs.
it is no mistake that the TSX interior is strikingly similar to the Accord interior.
it is no mistake that all the rear decks are the same color, reguardless of
the color of the interior of the car.
it is no mistake that the materials used on many areas like the shifter, the
parking brake, the door handles, blah, blah are of a much lesser quality.
you might hear someone say they did that because the sun hits that area
and will tend to lighten the fabric. that's why they're all tan.
well, that's just not true, it's to save production cost.
if you look closely, you can see cut corners all over the car.
look down at the passenger door.
front one.
inner panel.
down by the cubby.
now go look at the driver's door.
see on the driver's door how there's a button there (for the trunk I think it is)?
and see on the passenger door how there's just a blank space where it
looks like a button should go there?
it's just a reverse mold. they use that to cut costs.
on this model year, on the interior especially, they cut enormous costs.
it is no mistake that the TSX interior is strikingly similar to the Accord interior.
it is no mistake that all the rear decks are the same color, reguardless of
the color of the interior of the car.
it is no mistake that the materials used on many areas like the shifter, the
parking brake, the door handles, blah, blah are of a much lesser quality.
you might hear someone say they did that because the sun hits that area
and will tend to lighten the fabric. that's why they're all tan.
well, that's just not true, it's to save production cost.
if you look closely, you can see cut corners all over the car.
10-25-2008, 08:47 PM
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easy answer.
look down at the passenger door.
front one.
inner panel.
down by the cubby.
now go look at the driver's door.
see on the driver's door how there's a button there (for the trunk I think it is)?
and see on the passenger door how there's just a blank space where it
looks like a button should go there?
it's just a reverse mold. they use that to cut costs.
on this model year, on the interior especially, they cut enormous costs.
it is no mistake that the TSX interior is strikingly similar to the Accord interior.
it is no mistake that all the rear decks are the same color, reguardless of
the color of the interior of the car.
it is no mistake that the materials used on many areas like the shifter, the
parking brake, the door handles, blah, blah are of a much lesser quality.
you might hear someone say they did that because the sun hits that area
and will tend to lighten the fabric. that's why they're all tan.
well, that's just not true, it's to save production cost.
if you look closely, you can see cut corners all over the car.
look down at the passenger door.
front one.
inner panel.
down by the cubby.
now go look at the driver's door.
see on the driver's door how there's a button there (for the trunk I think it is)?
and see on the passenger door how there's just a blank space where it
looks like a button should go there?
it's just a reverse mold. they use that to cut costs.
on this model year, on the interior especially, they cut enormous costs.
it is no mistake that the TSX interior is strikingly similar to the Accord interior.
it is no mistake that all the rear decks are the same color, reguardless of
the color of the interior of the car.
it is no mistake that the materials used on many areas like the shifter, the
parking brake, the door handles, blah, blah are of a much lesser quality.
you might hear someone say they did that because the sun hits that area
and will tend to lighten the fabric. that's why they're all tan.
well, that's just not true, it's to save production cost.
if you look closely, you can see cut corners all over the car.
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10-27-2008, 02:30 PM
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The truth about the color back there is that it didn't really bother me.. I'm not looking at it everyday so I really don't care.. but i have had the same question asked to me about that and just shrugged and said IDK.. but after tints no one has ever noticed and i only did 35% all around.
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easy answer.
look down at the passenger door.
front one.
inner panel.
down by the cubby.
now go look at the driver's door.
see on the driver's door how there's a button there (for the trunk I think it is)?
and see on the passenger door how there's just a blank space where it
looks like a button should go there?
it's just a reverse mold. they use that to cut costs.
on this model year, on the interior especially, they cut enormous costs.
it is no mistake that the TSX interior is strikingly similar to the Accord interior.
it is no mistake that all the rear decks are the same color, reguardless of
the color of the interior of the car.
it is no mistake that the materials used on many areas like the shifter, the
parking brake, the door handles, blah, blah are of a much lesser quality.
you might hear someone say they did that because the sun hits that area
and will tend to lighten the fabric. that's why they're all tan.
well, that's just not true, it's to save production cost.
if you look closely, you can see cut corners all over the car.
look down at the passenger door.
front one.
inner panel.
down by the cubby.
now go look at the driver's door.
see on the driver's door how there's a button there (for the trunk I think it is)?
and see on the passenger door how there's just a blank space where it
looks like a button should go there?
it's just a reverse mold. they use that to cut costs.
on this model year, on the interior especially, they cut enormous costs.
it is no mistake that the TSX interior is strikingly similar to the Accord interior.
it is no mistake that all the rear decks are the same color, reguardless of
the color of the interior of the car.
it is no mistake that the materials used on many areas like the shifter, the
parking brake, the door handles, blah, blah are of a much lesser quality.
you might hear someone say they did that because the sun hits that area
and will tend to lighten the fabric. that's why they're all tan.
well, that's just not true, it's to save production cost.
if you look closely, you can see cut corners all over the car.
I would say the more likely reason for the light color not matching the rest of the black interior is because a black color would absorb WAY more sunlight and make the interior significantly hotter on a summer day. The light color will reflect most of the sunlight, saving on energy to cool the interior.
I agree that Acura, as much as every other manufacturer, is looking for ways to save on production costs, but also I think that Honda Co. at least puts some thought into design features (such as interior colors, etc.)
My
10-27-2008, 05:37 PM
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Here's what they were thinking: That color will resist fading from the sun over time better than any other color. Had they made the rear package shelf black or another less fade-resistant color and if faded to that very same tan color after 4 years of sitting in the sun, then you guys would all be whining about what were they thinking when they put a color that fades back there.
Take it from somenhe how has owned dark interiored cars that faded to a tan color in the sun over time. What Acura did here was good thinking.
Take it from somenhe how has owned dark interiored cars that faded to a tan color in the sun over time. What Acura did here was good thinking.
10-27-2008, 06:35 PM
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Yea i am gunna tint it 30 or 35 all around, and no i didnt notice it when i bought the car, and about the white tsx with the painted grill, i found that in one of the galleries.
Oh and ill45, your profile pic of the tsx light with no ugly reflector, is that photoshopped or u found someone to actually do that?
Oh and ill45, your profile pic of the tsx light with no ugly reflector, is that photoshopped or u found someone to actually do that?
10-28-2008, 10:13 PM
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Here's what they were thinking: That color will resist fading from the sun over time better than any other color. Had they made the rear package shelf black or another less fade-resistant color and if faded to that very same tan color after 4 years of sitting in the sun, then you guys would all be whining about what were they thinking when they put a color that fades back there.
Take it from somenhe how has owned dark interiored cars that faded to a tan color in the sun over time. What Acura did here was good thinking.
Take it from somenhe how has owned dark interiored cars that faded to a tan color in the sun over time. What Acura did here was good thinking.
10-29-2008, 05:56 PM
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infamous425...I think its requires more than 4 years but with time, if exposed to alot of sunlight, fading will occur but its more of a concern for people who keep their car for a longgggggg time..
10-30-2008, 10:18 AM
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Correct. The car I once owned that I was referring to was about 8 years old at the time the fading became obvious if I recall corectly.
10-30-2008, 10:27 AM
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My mom's 10 years old car that she just traded in a couple months ago also never had color fade in the rear shelf. And it was a Chrysler for pete's sake. It also lived outside most of its life and had 130k on it.
10-30-2008, 06:05 PM
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That is why I ordered my car with the pewter interior. I like the black leather better, but could not get past the different color parcel shelf with the Grigio exterior. Lighter colors is not as noticeable. I think the color has to do with heat, either fading or cracking. That is a large piece of plastic that would grow/shrink with the thermal cycles.
Regarding the door panel differences, it is not a "reverse mold" and there would be no savings to reversing the mold. The reason the dummy switch is on the passenger side is because it is used for the trunk release button for right hand drive versions. The mold has an insert to plug the hole, for both the left and right door panels, depending on left or right hand drive.
Regarding the door panel differences, it is not a "reverse mold" and there would be no savings to reversing the mold. The reason the dummy switch is on the passenger side is because it is used for the trunk release button for right hand drive versions. The mold has an insert to plug the hole, for both the left and right door panels, depending on left or right hand drive.
12-01-2008, 09:19 PM
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To correct a misstatment above, the rear deck on the parchment interior matches the parchment seat color and headliner. We were between the Polished metal with black interior, but the rear deck stood out in the taupe color, which matches the A a B pillers, but I just could not get passed it. The black/black on the dealer floor had the odd rear shelf, dealer said he never noticed. We went with PWP with Parchment. jh
12-02-2008, 09:34 AM
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WTH happened to my garage
I noticed the rear shelf matched the pillar trim so I tinted it, other cars have lighter headliners and trim too. (my 06 Altima SE-R, 07 FJ TRD SE, 07 Si, etc.) IIRC, the R33 GTR's all had grey interior, were they just trying to save money? Please.
After driving my 09 TSX 2000 miles through 4 states in 5 days this Thanksgiving, I like it even more. For me, the interior has excellent visual and tactile design elements & the head-up stereo/navi screen is better suited for adjusting while moving than the one in the center stack on the 08 TSX, TL or 07> Si, all of which were Navi cars and which were present at my destination this weekend. Also, the seats proved awesome through a grueling amount of ass time. Yes, I've driven both.
To each their own, but many of the complaints I see here are petty. As far as the door panel thing, aren't there RHD and LHD versions of this thing in Europe? WTH would Honda or any manufacturer make 4 different door panels if they can use 2? It's just an economy of scale, not a cheapening of the brand.
Geezus, I have 8 year old twins that didn't whine this much when they were 5.
No, this isn't directed at anyone in particular.
12-02-2008, 01:06 PM
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While some of this does seem nit picky, it is obvious in comparison to our 2002 CL that they have made moves to cheapen production costs for this model. I really like the car, and believe it is priced just right at several thousand below the lexus and the infiniti, but that money has to come from somehwere. Yes the blanking panels strewn throughout the car do look out of place, the rear shelf issue was an obvious attempt to save money. But even the overall panel alignment of interior pieces is not a precise. The stiching on the seats and even the vinyls used are not as high quality. I still bought the car as I think it is a great value for what it is. But it is a value-minded, entry luxury wanna-be. It was $2800 more than the new accord I was looking at and the styling alone set them apart enough to get me to spring the extra cash. I like to car for what it is and the price I got it for. They may have made some cheap-o interior choices, but the suspension and handling are awesome. jh
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easy answer.
look down at the passenger door.
front one.
inner panel.
down by the cubby.
now go look at the driver's door.
see on the driver's door how there's a button there (for the trunk I think it is)?
and see on the passenger door how there's just a blank space where it
looks like a button should go there?
it's just a reverse mold. they use that to cut costs.
on this model year, on the interior especially, they cut enormous costs.
it is no mistake that the TSX interior is strikingly similar to the Accord interior.
it is no mistake that all the rear decks are the same color, reguardless of
the color of the interior of the car.
it is no mistake that the materials used on many areas like the shifter, the
parking brake, the door handles, blah, blah are of a much lesser quality.
you might hear someone say they did that because the sun hits that area
and will tend to lighten the fabric. that's why they're all tan.
well, that's just not true, it's to save production cost.
if you look closely, you can see cut corners all over the car.
look down at the passenger door.
front one.
inner panel.
down by the cubby.
now go look at the driver's door.
see on the driver's door how there's a button there (for the trunk I think it is)?
and see on the passenger door how there's just a blank space where it
looks like a button should go there?
it's just a reverse mold. they use that to cut costs.
on this model year, on the interior especially, they cut enormous costs.
it is no mistake that the TSX interior is strikingly similar to the Accord interior.
it is no mistake that all the rear decks are the same color, reguardless of
the color of the interior of the car.
it is no mistake that the materials used on many areas like the shifter, the
parking brake, the door handles, blah, blah are of a much lesser quality.
you might hear someone say they did that because the sun hits that area
and will tend to lighten the fabric. that's why they're all tan.
well, that's just not true, it's to save production cost.
if you look closely, you can see cut corners all over the car.
What molds are shared with the US Accord?
What are the other numerous corners that have been cut? How closely do I have to look?
12-02-2008, 04:01 PM
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It's not simply a reversed mold, it's for the European version of the car which has the driver on the other side of the car. I don't consider that a compromise of quality, this car isn't exactly a Maybach.
What molds are shared with the US Accord?
What are the other numerous corners that have been cut? How closely do I have to look?
What molds are shared with the US Accord?
What are the other numerous corners that have been cut? How closely do I have to look?
and yes they use it for RHD cars, but not ours.
they used to have an entire different interior for the RHD cars.
a much less "upscale" interior, a more "sporty" one or whatever.
now it's all cookie cutterd out.
have you not seen the US Accord interior?
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=accord+tsx+vs
I didn't say it shared molds with the Accord.
I said it was "strikingly similar" and I'm certainly correct.
One may even say the Accord has a nicer interior.
Look at the door handles on the interior vs. the first gen.
Look at the shifter.
Look at the nav screen.
Look at the parking brake.
it goes on and on, almost every detail.
you don't have to look hard, just have to pay attention.
but if you don't care, then you don't care.
good for you. move on.
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yes it is a reverse mold.
and yes they use it for RHD cars, but not ours.
they used to have an entire different interior for the RHD cars.
a much less "upscale" interior, a more "sporty" one or whatever.
now it's all cookie cutterd out.
have you not seen the US Accord interior?
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=accord+tsx+vs
I didn't say it shared molds with the Accord.
I said it was "strikingly similar" and I'm certainly correct.
One may even say the Accord has a nicer interior.
Look at the door handles on the interior vs. the first gen.
Look at the shifter.
Look at the nav screen.
Look at the parking brake.
it goes on and on, almost every detail.
you don't have to look hard, just have to pay attention.
but if you don't care, then you don't care.
good for you. move on.
and yes they use it for RHD cars, but not ours.
they used to have an entire different interior for the RHD cars.
a much less "upscale" interior, a more "sporty" one or whatever.
now it's all cookie cutterd out.
have you not seen the US Accord interior?
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=accord+tsx+vs
I didn't say it shared molds with the Accord.
I said it was "strikingly similar" and I'm certainly correct.
One may even say the Accord has a nicer interior.
Look at the door handles on the interior vs. the first gen.
Look at the shifter.
Look at the nav screen.
Look at the parking brake.
it goes on and on, almost every detail.
you don't have to look hard, just have to pay attention.
but if you don't care, then you don't care.
good for you. move on.
The shifter is almost identical to the 1G, which I really like and was a major reason I couldn't settle for an RSX. I honestly don't understand what's cheap about the e-brake or door handles. They went from chrome plastic to matte plastic. Are you really that impressed by chrome? I thought it looked cheesy and the lack there of is a big reason I love the 2G interior. In general it looks more coherant and sporty.
You seem to present your subjective opinion as if it were objective fact. All I'm asking is that you tell me how to objectively identify all the cheap plastic and cost cutting half-assery. I was in my TSX but fifteen minutes ago and couldn't find an poorly aligned panels and nothing broke off in my hands.
12-02-2008, 06:14 PM
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12-02-2008, 08:00 PM
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WTH happened to my garage
"I really want a TL or RL, but all I can afford is the TSX so I'm like clinging to the outside window ledge of the executive floor by my fingernails."
Yes, I'm getting old, but I never could tell a previous TL from a TSX from the front coming down the road.
12-02-2008, 08:49 PM
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Speaking of moving on, when are you going to take your own advice and do the same? For someone who is so disappointed with the 2nd gen, you sure as hell spend a lot of time and effort in this forum. Were all sick and tired of reading the same stuff from you over and over again. We know you bought a 2008 and are doing whatever you can to justify your purchase, but Jesus, enough already.
12-02-2008, 08:52 PM
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You seem to present your subjective opinion as if it were objective fact. All I'm asking is that you tell me how to objectively identify all the cheap plastic and cost cutting half-assery. I was in my TSX but fifteen minutes ago and couldn't find an poorly aligned panels and nothing broke off in my hands.
What I find funny is that every magazine that has tested the new TSX claims that the interior is a step above the 1st gen. Yet we have 1st gen owners claiming that their interiors are better.
12-02-2008, 09:27 PM
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MMsTSX,
I have been reading these posts to gather some information about the TSX and TL, and you are just a 2nd Gen TSX hater. I have read several, if not all, of your posts/replies, and they are nothing but hate. I am curious what the TSX did to you and why is it your quest to be Debbie Downer.
I have been reading these posts to gather some information about the TSX and TL, and you are just a 2nd Gen TSX hater. I have read several, if not all, of your posts/replies, and they are nothing but hate. I am curious what the TSX did to you and why is it your quest to be Debbie Downer.
12-02-2008, 10:20 PM
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The interior is also strikingly similar to the new TL. The new TL has more in common with the US Accord than the TSX. That doesn't say anything about quality, and besides the TSX is only slightly more expensive that the US Accord so do you have a habbit of asking for free lunches or only when it comes to cars?
The shifter is almost identical to the 1G, which I really like and was a major reason I couldn't settle for an RSX. I honestly don't understand what's cheap about the e-brake or door handles. They went from chrome plastic to matte plastic. Are you really that impressed by chrome? I thought it looked cheesy and the lack there of is a big reason I love the 2G interior. In general it looks more coherant and sporty.
You seem to present your subjective opinion as if it were objective fact. All I'm asking is that you tell me how to objectively identify all the cheap plastic and cost cutting half-assery. I was in my TSX but fifteen minutes ago and couldn't find an poorly aligned panels and nothing broke off in my hands.
The shifter is almost identical to the 1G, which I really like and was a major reason I couldn't settle for an RSX. I honestly don't understand what's cheap about the e-brake or door handles. They went from chrome plastic to matte plastic. Are you really that impressed by chrome? I thought it looked cheesy and the lack there of is a big reason I love the 2G interior. In general it looks more coherant and sporty.
You seem to present your subjective opinion as if it were objective fact. All I'm asking is that you tell me how to objectively identify all the cheap plastic and cost cutting half-assery. I was in my TSX but fifteen minutes ago and couldn't find an poorly aligned panels and nothing broke off in my hands.
same deal with the rear decks.
same deal with removing the touch screen.
it's not about the alignment of panels.
it's the materials.
no more sport shift on the shifter?
paddles instead that turn with the wheel?
who makes paddles that turn with the wheel anyway?
so you can only use them while driving in a straight line?
no leather/vinyl boot on the parking brake.
yes, shiney plastic to matte plastic, a cheaper material.
no more touch screen for the nav?
nope. too expensive to make.
so it's subjective, just dismiss the opinion and move on.
you seem to have gone from hater to defender pretty quick.
Speaking of moving on, when are you going to take your own advice and do the same? For someone who is so disappointed with the 2nd gen, you sure as hell spend a lot of time and effort in this forum. Were all sick and tired of reading the same stuff from you over and over again. We know you bought a 2008 and are doing whatever you can to justify your purchase, but Jesus, enough already.
yeah right.
I went cash in hand to buy a new TSX but you are right.
I was very disappointed.
So I left the showroom.
I took my cash next door, spent $3k more and got a completely
loaded G35s instead. no need to justify my 08, it has nothing to do
with anything.
MMsTSX,
I have been reading these posts to gather some information about the TSX and TL, and you are just a 2nd Gen TSX hater. I have read several, if not all, of your posts/replies, and they are nothing but hate. I am curious what the TSX did to you and why is it your quest to be Debbie Downer.
I have been reading these posts to gather some information about the TSX and TL, and you are just a 2nd Gen TSX hater. I have read several, if not all, of your posts/replies, and they are nothing but hate. I am curious what the TSX did to you and why is it your quest to be Debbie Downer.
so I just tell lies and make up stuff and trash on things huh?
hate? you are lying.
most of my posts in the 2nd gen area are about problems and fixes, where
in many cases I'm nothing but helpful.
I was asked specifically, my post was quoted, so I responded.
never anywhere do I say my 08 is better than your 09.
this thread is about "what were they thinking" when they did something like
make all the rear decks tan, even in black on black cars.
the answer is simple, they are cutting costs in certain areas.
if you have a problem with my answer, opinion, whatever, well good for you.
thank you all for expressing that and having your own opinions as well.
but I will surely not silence myself because you think I should.
I am not a hater that spreads nothing but hate. you are a liar for saying so.
so who should be offended here?
if you can't handle hearing negative opinions on the new TSX, then why
are you posting in a thread dedicated to such?
can you not read the title?
this is not an "all praise the new TSX" thread or forum, it is a discussion board.
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The TSX is not a lesser TL or RL. It's cheaper in price but so is a WRX and you wouldn't say that's a lesser TL. The TSX is aimed at an age group of which I'm in the very middle while the TL and RL are not. They feel too large for me and they have a, how you say, geriatric brand of luxury. If they ever make a V6 TSX then I'll admit my inline four TSX is a lesser of something else, but for now it's the best of what it is.
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using the same molds for all cars is cutting costs.
same deal with the rear decks.
same deal with removing the touch screen.
it's not about the alignment of panels.
it's the materials.
no more sport shift on the shifter?
paddles instead that turn with the wheel?
who makes paddles that turn with the wheel anyway?
so you can only use them while driving in a straight line?
no leather/vinyl boot on the parking brake.
yes, shiney plastic to matte plastic, a cheaper material.
no more touch screen for the nav?
nope. too expensive to make.
so it's subjective, just dismiss the opinion and move on.
you seem to have gone from hater to defender pretty quick.
^ and you also say it compares to a Mazda if anything.
justify my purchase?
yeah right.
I went cash in hand to buy a new TSX but you are right.
I was very disappointed.
So I left the showroom.
I took my cash next door, spent $3k more and got a completely
loaded G35s instead. no need to justify my 08, it has nothing to do
with anything.
Just a hater?
so I just tell lies and make up stuff and trash on things huh?
hate? you are lying.
most of my posts in the 2nd gen area are about problems and fixes, where
in many cases I'm nothing but helpful.
I was asked specifically, my post was quoted, so I responded.
never anywhere do I say my 08 is better than your 09.
this thread is about "what were they thinking" when they did something like
make all the rear decks tan, even in black on black cars.
the answer is simple, they are cutting costs in certain areas.
if you have a problem with my answer, opinion, whatever, well good for you.
thank you all for expressing that and having your own opinions as well.
but I will surely not silence myself because you think I should.
I am not a hater that spreads nothing but hate. you are a liar for saying so.
so who should be offended here?
if you can't handle hearing negative opinions on the new TSX, then why
are you posting in a thread dedicated to such?
can you not read the title?
this is not an "all praise the new TSX" thread or forum, it is a discussion board.
same deal with the rear decks.
same deal with removing the touch screen.
it's not about the alignment of panels.
it's the materials.
no more sport shift on the shifter?
paddles instead that turn with the wheel?
who makes paddles that turn with the wheel anyway?
so you can only use them while driving in a straight line?
no leather/vinyl boot on the parking brake.
yes, shiney plastic to matte plastic, a cheaper material.
no more touch screen for the nav?
nope. too expensive to make.
so it's subjective, just dismiss the opinion and move on.
you seem to have gone from hater to defender pretty quick.
^ and you also say it compares to a Mazda if anything.
justify my purchase?
yeah right.
I went cash in hand to buy a new TSX but you are right.
I was very disappointed.
So I left the showroom.
I took my cash next door, spent $3k more and got a completely
loaded G35s instead. no need to justify my 08, it has nothing to do
with anything.
Just a hater?
so I just tell lies and make up stuff and trash on things huh?
hate? you are lying.
most of my posts in the 2nd gen area are about problems and fixes, where
in many cases I'm nothing but helpful.
I was asked specifically, my post was quoted, so I responded.
never anywhere do I say my 08 is better than your 09.
this thread is about "what were they thinking" when they did something like
make all the rear decks tan, even in black on black cars.
the answer is simple, they are cutting costs in certain areas.
if you have a problem with my answer, opinion, whatever, well good for you.
thank you all for expressing that and having your own opinions as well.
but I will surely not silence myself because you think I should.
I am not a hater that spreads nothing but hate. you are a liar for saying so.
so who should be offended here?
if you can't handle hearing negative opinions on the new TSX, then why
are you posting in a thread dedicated to such?
can you not read the title?
this is not an "all praise the new TSX" thread or forum, it is a discussion board.
You really have no idea of what does and doesn't define quality. At the point where you're reduced to saying that shiny plastic is higher qaulity than matte plastic for the simple fact that it has luster we all know you're full of sh*t. Have fun polishing your fake carbon fiber paneling.
12-02-2008, 10:44 PM
#37
JDM Addict
So you went reading through all my past comments and found a remark I made that's months old and has nothing to do with the interior but used it anyway. Bravo, Detective Loser.
You really have no idea of what does and doesn't define quality. At the point where you're reduced to saying that shiny plastic is higher qaulity than matte plastic for the simple fact that it has luster we all know you're full of sh*t. Have fun polishing your fake carbon fiber paneling.
You really have no idea of what does and doesn't define quality. At the point where you're reduced to saying that shiny plastic is higher qaulity than matte plastic for the simple fact that it has luster we all know you're full of sh*t. Have fun polishing your fake carbon fiber paneling.
about the accord vs. the tsx.
you know, the link in this thread, no detective work needed.
and your name calling is out of line.
turning this into a personal matter should be above you people.
I don't need to be called names and lied about because we have
a disagreement. I think some maturity is in order for you.
the shiney plastic is more expensive to produce.
that is what I said, it is cheaper to use the matte, one piece plastic
handles now. cheaper.
this is all about me demonstrating where some costs where cut.
and in other areas money was spent to make changes or improvements.
that is how it works.
12-02-2008, 11:09 PM
#38
JDM Addict
and by the way.
if any of you really did care to "read all of my posts" you would quickly find that
I am not a fan of the 1st gen's interior either.
it's the part I like the least of the whole car.
I think the leather is cheap, the seats are underbolstered for me,
the interior as a whole is very lacking in attention to detail which the TL and
the RL both are far superior at, in respective order.
I'm going to the lengths of having a local composite guy make real 1x1 carbon fiber
replacement pieces for the dash, and I'm taking out every piece of leather and vinyl
in the car and having them replaced with real leather of better quality.
I'm taking the seats out and replacing them.
so you folks that think I'm all about the 1st gen's interior are way, way off.
just thought I'd point that out to you.
if any of you really did care to "read all of my posts" you would quickly find that
I am not a fan of the 1st gen's interior either.
it's the part I like the least of the whole car.
I think the leather is cheap, the seats are underbolstered for me,
the interior as a whole is very lacking in attention to detail which the TL and
the RL both are far superior at, in respective order.
I'm going to the lengths of having a local composite guy make real 1x1 carbon fiber
replacement pieces for the dash, and I'm taking out every piece of leather and vinyl
in the car and having them replaced with real leather of better quality.
I'm taking the seats out and replacing them.
so you folks that think I'm all about the 1st gen's interior are way, way off.
just thought I'd point that out to you.
12-02-2008, 11:22 PM
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I'm not convinced that plastic is cheaper. It feels very nice to the touch. Very little of the 1G interior was particularily fun to touch, especialy the vinylish leather seats as you've noted.
I've always had reservations about the outside apearance of the 2G TSX but the interior looks great, sporty like the 3G Integra with an infusion of luxury all around, and good design is a part of the qaulity equation to my mind. Even if it were the case that those gaudy chrome trimmings in the 1G were more expensive to produce it wouldn't make up for the blandness, the blankness and the way in which the nav looked crammed in, surrounded by buttons as if it were an after thought. What good is quality when it's so thouroughly misdirected and misplaced?
I've always had reservations about the outside apearance of the 2G TSX but the interior looks great, sporty like the 3G Integra with an infusion of luxury all around, and good design is a part of the qaulity equation to my mind. Even if it were the case that those gaudy chrome trimmings in the 1G were more expensive to produce it wouldn't make up for the blandness, the blankness and the way in which the nav looked crammed in, surrounded by buttons as if it were an after thought. What good is quality when it's so thouroughly misdirected and misplaced?
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12-02-2008, 11:29 PM
#40
Honda Fanboy
using the same molds for all cars is cutting costs.
same deal with the rear decks.
same deal with removing the touch screen.
it's not about the alignment of panels.
it's the materials.
no more sport shift on the shifter?
paddles instead that turn with the wheel?
who makes paddles that turn with the wheel anyway?
so you can only use them while driving in a straight line?
no leather/vinyl boot on the parking brake.
yes, shiney plastic to matte plastic, a cheaper material.
no more touch screen for the nav?
nope. too expensive to make.
so it's subjective, just dismiss the opinion and move on.
you seem to have gone from hater to defender pretty quick.
^ and you also say it compares to a Mazda if anything.
justify my purchase?
yeah right.
I went cash in hand to buy a new TSX but you are right.
I was very disappointed.
So I left the showroom.
I took my cash next door, spent $3k more and got a completely
loaded G35s instead. no need to justify my 08, it has nothing to do
with anything.
Just a hater?
so I just tell lies and make up stuff and trash on things huh?
hate? you are lying.
most of my posts in the 2nd gen area are about problems and fixes, where
in many cases I'm nothing but helpful.
I was asked specifically, my post was quoted, so I responded.
never anywhere do I say my 08 is better than your 09.
this thread is about "what were they thinking" when they did something like
make all the rear decks tan, even in black on black cars.
the answer is simple, they are cutting costs in certain areas.
if you have a problem with my answer, opinion, whatever, well good for you.
thank you all for expressing that and having your own opinions as well.
but I will surely not silence myself because you think I should.
I am not a hater that spreads nothing but hate. you are a liar for saying so.
so who should be offended here?
if you can't handle hearing negative opinions on the new TSX, then why
are you posting in a thread dedicated to such?
can you not read the title?
this is not an "all praise the new TSX" thread or forum, it is a discussion board.
same deal with the rear decks.
same deal with removing the touch screen.
it's not about the alignment of panels.
it's the materials.
no more sport shift on the shifter?
paddles instead that turn with the wheel?
who makes paddles that turn with the wheel anyway?
so you can only use them while driving in a straight line?
no leather/vinyl boot on the parking brake.
yes, shiney plastic to matte plastic, a cheaper material.
no more touch screen for the nav?
nope. too expensive to make.
so it's subjective, just dismiss the opinion and move on.
you seem to have gone from hater to defender pretty quick.
^ and you also say it compares to a Mazda if anything.
justify my purchase?
yeah right.
I went cash in hand to buy a new TSX but you are right.
I was very disappointed.
So I left the showroom.
I took my cash next door, spent $3k more and got a completely
loaded G35s instead. no need to justify my 08, it has nothing to do
with anything.
Just a hater?
so I just tell lies and make up stuff and trash on things huh?
hate? you are lying.
most of my posts in the 2nd gen area are about problems and fixes, where
in many cases I'm nothing but helpful.
I was asked specifically, my post was quoted, so I responded.
never anywhere do I say my 08 is better than your 09.
this thread is about "what were they thinking" when they did something like
make all the rear decks tan, even in black on black cars.
the answer is simple, they are cutting costs in certain areas.
if you have a problem with my answer, opinion, whatever, well good for you.
thank you all for expressing that and having your own opinions as well.
but I will surely not silence myself because you think I should.
I am not a hater that spreads nothing but hate. you are a liar for saying so.
so who should be offended here?
if you can't handle hearing negative opinions on the new TSX, then why
are you posting in a thread dedicated to such?
can you not read the title?
this is not an "all praise the new TSX" thread or forum, it is a discussion board.
The way you point to cost-cutting is just ridiculous. The rear deck would be using the same mold whether Acura offered 100 colors or just one. Most luxury cars are getting rid of the touch-screen. Everyone is adapting an intuitive i-drive-like system, even Lexus. Would you really use touch-screen on a TSX considering where the screen is placed?
Stop bickering about the interior materials because you’re the only one doing it. ALL magazines have declared that the 2009 TSX has a higher-quality interior compared to the first gen. Your comments about the interior have no leg to stand on because the entire industry of automotive journalists disagree with you.
What’s wrong with paddles that turn with the wheel? It’s not so you can only use to shift while going in a straight line. Have you ever heard of shifting mid-turn? FYI, your hands are not at the 10 and 2 position on the wheel when you are making a turn (where the paddles would be if they were not connected to the wheel). Have you ever tried to make a turn and move your hand off the wheel to find the paddle-shifter in the middle of the turn just so you can shift?
There is no leather/vinyl boot-type of design on the parking break anymore, but it still is wrapped in leather/vinyl on the bottom where a boot would be. It’s just a different design.
So again, your opions about the TSX’s interiors contradict what the professional journalists have ALL been saying. Nobody is asking you to change your opinions because clearly you are convincing yourself to believe something for your own personal benefit. However, when your opinion is contradicting that of the rest of the worlds, the people here will continue to dismiss what you have to say.
I don’t think many people here have found you very helpful at all but instead rather annoying. If we all take a vote to see how many people in the 2nd gen forums would like you to continue posting in this area versus have you discontinue your posting here, would you agree to stop posting in the 2nd gen forums if the vote results dictated so? After all, if you said you’re here to help and the majority vote that they don’t want your help, wouldn’t it only be fair that you leave? Think about it.
