Will TLX Be Your Next Car?
#81
I am still trying to figure out how Hyundai was able to show the new Genesis interior and all yet still no interior shots of the TLX and it is supposed to be only 6 months out. Not only that. Why no navigation in the ILX 2.4 or the Accord Sport? Honda just doesn't get it anymore. And yes the TLX is a rebadged Accord I get it. The same can be said of the ES350 to the Camry but Toyota does have separate cars designed from the ground up to be a Lexus.
#82
Perhaps you haven't been paying attention. Honda's 4 cylinder engines have always been some of the best (though torque shy), and they basically just had to wait for everyone else to catch up. The smaller engines are rapidly becoming the new norm in the higher end. BMW, Mercedes, and Audi (who always did offer a stellar in line 4) have all gone to 4 bangers in not only their entry level offerings, but their step up cars too (available in the 5 series, the A-6, E class diesel is a 4, and I'll bet you the new C class Benz too).
One issue for me is the TLX's size. We live in a townhouse in Philadelphia, which has a tight garage and short driveway we can use as a parking space. The TLX is actually longer than the 2001 Saab 9-5 Aero I drove for eight years, which had only a few inches to spare length-wise. And the TSX barely fits for width. As long as the TLX isn't any wider than the TSX, I think it would work, but I would actually prefer something smaller than the TSX -- and the ILX in its current form isn't even close to my radar screen. The BMW 3 Series is the perfect size, but until they fix the steering it isn't a serious contender either.
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#83
Perhaps you haven't been paying attention. Honda's 4 cylinder engines have always been some of the best (though torque shy), and they basically just had to wait for everyone else to catch up. The smaller engines are rapidly becoming the new norm in the higher end. BMW, Mercedes, and Audi (who always did offer a stellar in line 4) have all gone to 4 bangers in not only their entry level offerings, but their step up cars too (available in the 5 series, the A-6, E class diesel is a 4, and I'll bet you the new C class Benz too).
The DI inline 4's are much better I'm sure, but an underpowered small engine no doubt. Who knows, the stats look decent, 210/200 with a better tranny compared to the old 5speed.
#84
On that, I can agree. The Q50 I tested last year was just awful. The steering simply felt video-gamey and DAS kept making minute corrections on bumpy roads, causing a constant back and forth swaying sensation. Very disconcerting. Just make sure I wasn't going crazy, I tested a G37 shortly thereafter and it is simply a much more satisfying drive.
Read my full review here.
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#85
Thoughts on this??
http://jalopnik.com/acura-is-slowly-...ide-1501315445
http://jalopnik.com/acura-is-slowly-...ide-1501315445
His thoughts were incoherent at best and wildly misguided at worst. The whole article reeked to me of someone just saying wild things to try and generate traffic.
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#88
I didn't dispute that. What I;m getting at is, Acura didn't decide to go inline 4 turbo something similar to the Benz or BMW...I mean even my generation TSX was kind of a step backwards in evolution for the TSX in terms of performance. The TLX is suppose to be a step up from the TSX.
The DI inline 4's are much better I'm sure, but an underpowered small engine no doubt. Who knows, the stats look decent, 210/200 with a better tranny compared to the old 5speed.
The DI inline 4's are much better I'm sure, but an underpowered small engine no doubt. Who knows, the stats look decent, 210/200 with a better tranny compared to the old 5speed.
Yup. I'm sure Acura is going to want AT LEAST $5k more than the $28k I paid for my 2011 (new), and if all it has is 9 more hp, they can go fist themselves. 250hp+ and AWD Acura, if you want me to spend a dime over $30k. In 2004, I bought a 200hp* FWD TSX; I'm not doing the same in fcking 2015 or 2016. Get with the times or get left behind. After ONLY buying Hondas/Acuras for my personal cars, I'm ready to drop them if all they can offer is the same old shit.
*yeah, it was really like 190hp, I know, but in 2006 you could get 201hp
#89
Yup. I'm sure Acura is going to want AT LEAST $5k more than the $28k I paid for my 2011 (new), and if all it has is 9 more hp, they can go fist themselves. 250hp+ and AWD Acura, if you want me to spend a dime over $30k. In 2004, I bought a 200hp* FWD TSX; I'm not doing the same in fcking 2015 or 2016. Get with the times or get left behind. After ONLY buying Hondas/Acuras for my personal cars, I'm ready to drop them if all they can offer is the same old shit.
*yeah, it was really like 190hp, I know, but in 2006 you could get 201hp
*yeah, it was really like 190hp, I know, but in 2006 you could get 201hp
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#90
As for AWD drive, that should be available as it's the same chassis as the TL, which has it.
#91
Agreed, and I think that's limp-dick garbage from Acura. 200hp NA 4cyl can't compete over $30k. Just can't. Was okay in 2004, barely okay in 2011, not anymore.
Should be, but only on the V6. And expensive. I don't want a $45k+ 300hp+ V6 SH-AWD car. Well, I do, but I'm not paying $45k+. I want a 250hp+ $35-40k SH-AWD car. And I don't think Acura is going to offer it.
Should be, but only on the V6. And expensive. I don't want a $45k+ 300hp+ V6 SH-AWD car. Well, I do, but I'm not paying $45k+. I want a 250hp+ $35-40k SH-AWD car. And I don't think Acura is going to offer it.
#92
The TLX needs to be a knockout for Acura since it's replacing both the TSX and TL. To that end, it's got to be a lot of things to a lot of people. Engine/tranny choices I think they got right. All those people complaining of a lack of manual are in the minority if you go by sales figures. Everything's going DCT these days for better or worse (not that I like it--I also would prefer a good ol stick). The more important issue will be reliability since those are new trannies.
On the styling front I think they went a little too conservative. I don't blame them for that though since the last time they took a chance on styling they ended up with the 4G TL. It's always hard to judge Hondas in pictures since they almost always look better in person but once the rims and side mirrors come off I think it'll look a bit too conservative. Exposed exhaust tips would help.
The biggest issue for me I think will be size. I'm glad it's smaller than the 4G TL but I'm already feeling like the 1G TSX was the right size for me. If the TLX drives like a smaller car than the 2G TSX then I think I'll be in.
The competition definitely has heated up, especially if you're considering how good even family sedans are now like the new mazda 6 and accord. Even though MB has cut a few corners with the CLA, it also ups the bar in the entry-lux category and makes me start to wonder if I'll jump ship. But Honda has always been good in the categories that matter to me--safety, reliability, and resale (remember the TSX was one of the few mid-size cars that did well in the IIHS frontal offset test, I think the TL did well too if I remember correctly).
It's sad to say but I also think these days more and more people are buying cars based on features rather than the driving experience. I was at a friend's house the other day and his wife wanted to upgrade her lexus to the newer one because it has "the audi lights". Nice features that I would like to see in the TLX:
--Push button start
--BMW's kick the bumper to open the trunk feature
--Blind spot warning indicator (which I think they confirmed already)
--Infiniti's i-key that automatically adjusts the settings to the driver's key fob
--LED's under the side mirrors to illuminate side door area when unlocking door again a la BMW
On the styling front I think they went a little too conservative. I don't blame them for that though since the last time they took a chance on styling they ended up with the 4G TL. It's always hard to judge Hondas in pictures since they almost always look better in person but once the rims and side mirrors come off I think it'll look a bit too conservative. Exposed exhaust tips would help.
The biggest issue for me I think will be size. I'm glad it's smaller than the 4G TL but I'm already feeling like the 1G TSX was the right size for me. If the TLX drives like a smaller car than the 2G TSX then I think I'll be in.
The competition definitely has heated up, especially if you're considering how good even family sedans are now like the new mazda 6 and accord. Even though MB has cut a few corners with the CLA, it also ups the bar in the entry-lux category and makes me start to wonder if I'll jump ship. But Honda has always been good in the categories that matter to me--safety, reliability, and resale (remember the TSX was one of the few mid-size cars that did well in the IIHS frontal offset test, I think the TL did well too if I remember correctly).
It's sad to say but I also think these days more and more people are buying cars based on features rather than the driving experience. I was at a friend's house the other day and his wife wanted to upgrade her lexus to the newer one because it has "the audi lights". Nice features that I would like to see in the TLX:
--Push button start
--BMW's kick the bumper to open the trunk feature
--Blind spot warning indicator (which I think they confirmed already)
--Infiniti's i-key that automatically adjusts the settings to the driver's key fob
--LED's under the side mirrors to illuminate side door area when unlocking door again a la BMW
#93
--Push button start
--BMW's kick the bumper to open the trunk feature
--Blind spot warning indicator (which I think they confirmed already)
--Infiniti's i-key that automatically adjusts the settings to the driver's key fob
--LED's under the side mirrors to illuminate side door area when unlocking door again a la BMW
--BMW's kick the bumper to open the trunk feature
--Blind spot warning indicator (which I think they confirmed already)
--Infiniti's i-key that automatically adjusts the settings to the driver's key fob
--LED's under the side mirrors to illuminate side door area when unlocking door again a la BMW
The 4G TL loaner I was given had push button start.
#94
If you want around 250 hp or more and AWD, I've got a nice BMW 3 series X drive or Lexus IS350 to show you. But you ain't getting those for $35-40k. That leaves you with two choices: the Cadillac ATS 2.0 AWD. Yours for $37k. Or Lincoln MKZ 2.0 AWD for $38k. Your choice. What color would you like it in?
I also agree that Lexus, MB, BMW, etc, are going to cost more than the Acura. But I figure you can get a modestly equipped one of those in the low/mid $40s, and I figure the badge and snob factor (and fact that they are basically a dedicated platform and the Acura is generally more platform shared) are worth $5k or so.
Let's face it. A TSX cost ~$32k, $35k with Tech. A 1g RDX was a 2.3T and SH-AWD, and it was ~$36k, $38k with Tech.
I don't think a turbo, AWD sedan from Acura is unrealistic to expect for ~$36-7k base, maybe $39k with Tech. That's my expectation based on the rest of the near-luxury market. I could be wrong, but I will say that as a 14 year Honda/Acura customer, if the best they can do is essentially the same performance and engine from 10 years ago (yeah yeah, DI and 8speeds, that's nice, it's not going to move the needle much on performance), I'm going somewhere else. I'd be surprised if I was the only one.
#95
No .. don't like theTLX at all. Maybe after I see it on road I may change my mind but seems like too much change, hideous rims, no exhaust pipes and WTF ?? ...rear chrome pieces must go. I don't like the ILX either. Way to go Acura you really messed this up !
what was wrong with the lineup ?
All this for the RL ???
- no more TSX
- no more TL
Get rid of the RL .. I've only seen 3 on the road the past 5 yrs.
Don't get me wrong as I am a Honda fanatic and will most likely always buy Honda products but I am quite disappointed with the discontinuation of TSX. Even With the few problems with 09 I still love this car.
what was wrong with the lineup ?
All this for the RL ???
- no more TSX
- no more TL
Get rid of the RL .. I've only seen 3 on the road the past 5 yrs.
Don't get me wrong as I am a Honda fanatic and will most likely always buy Honda products but I am quite disappointed with the discontinuation of TSX. Even With the few problems with 09 I still love this car.
#96
Has anyone seen the TLX spy pics? The chrome is gone.
I am really digging the option for v6 and awd.
However, the next car we are getting is for the boss, thinking the subaru forester turbo. Pretty sweet setup.
I am really digging the option for v6 and awd.
However, the next car we are getting is for the boss, thinking the subaru forester turbo. Pretty sweet setup.
#100
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#104
Or leaving the brand, Acura is not exactly setting sales records or breaking any new ground with its current lineup, The TLX is just a base hit single, when it really needs a triple. Jewel headlights is as exciting as it get these days...
#105
If you ever read Jalopnik at any length, it shouldn't shock you. I'm not sure who's family an Acura murdered over there, but they find any way they can to say something negative about Honda/Acura.
His thoughts were incoherent at best and wildly misguided at worst. The whole article reeked to me of someone just saying wild things to try and generate traffic.
His thoughts were incoherent at best and wildly misguided at worst. The whole article reeked to me of someone just saying wild things to try and generate traffic.
#107
Spy shots of the production version of the TLX have started appearing and it's already been shown that the production version will toned down from what the concept looked like. The rear has been changed and the wheels and side mirrors on the concept are gone. Those considering the TLX might want to wait for the final version before deciding their future with the car. I for one expect to be underwhelmed. It's going to be little more than a bigger ILX.
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