Rocket_man

Because the Genesis is already on sale in Korea. The TLX was a prototype.

Nedmundo

That's right, and I expect the TLX's DI four to address the torque issue to some extent, though the upcoming VTEC Turbos will be even better. For now, I bet we'll see about 210 hp, and right around 200 lb.-ft. from the TLX's four, which is impressive for NA. With the extra torque and eight speed DCT, it will probably hit 35 mpg highway, because it will be able to loaf along at lower rpm than the TSX's engine. That transmission should also provide strong performance by making optimum use of the engine's torque and power bands -- but I would still want a 6MT!

One issue for me is the TLX's size. We live in a townhouse in Philadelphia, which has a tight garage and short driveway we can use as a parking space. The TLX is actually longer than the 2001 Saab 9-5 Aero I drove for eight years, which had only a few inches to spare length-wise. And the TSX barely fits for width. As long as the TLX isn't any wider than the TSX, I think it would work, but I would actually prefer something smaller than the TSX -- and the ILX in its current form isn't even close to my radar screen. The BMW 3 Series is the perfect size, but until they fix the steering it isn't a serious contender either.

mmafighta

I didn't dispute that. What I;m getting at is, Acura didn't decide to go inline 4 turbo something similar to the Benz or BMW...I mean even my generation TSX was kind of a step backwards in evolution for the TSX in terms of performance. The TLX is suppose to be a step up from the TSX.

The DI inline 4's are much better I'm sure, but an underpowered small engine no doubt. Who knows, the stats look decent, 210/200 with a better tranny compared to the old 5speed.

Acura_Dude

I like your reviews/website. Reading about the 2014 S4 6spd and 2014 TL-SHAWD 6spd right now.

EhkoXC

If you ever read Jalopnik at any length, it shouldn't shock you. I'm not sure who's family an Acura murdered over there, but they find any way they can to say something negative about Honda/Acura.

His thoughts were incoherent at best and wildly misguided at worst. The whole article reeked to me of someone just saying wild things to try and generate traffic.

Acura_Dude

That's what I was thinking when I read it.

fxcarden

I plan to drive my TLX and my wife's MDX to the ground, and then get one of those cars that turn into airplanes, while using banana peels as fuel.

HondaGuy347

Yup. I'm sure Acura is going to want AT LEAST $5k more than the $28k I paid for my 2011 (new), and if all it has is 9 more hp, they can go fist themselves. 250hp+ and AWD Acura, if you want me to spend a dime over $30k. In 2004, I bought a 200hp* FWD TSX; I'm not doing the same in fcking 2015 or 2016. Get with the times or get left behind. After ONLY buying Hondas/Acuras for my personal cars, I'm ready to drop them if all they can offer is the same old shit.



*yeah, it was really like 190hp, I know, but in 2006 you could get 201hp

Craig-D

You might as well start lubing up that fist. Because you won't be seeing 250+ HP out of the normally aspirated 4 cyl. the TLX will come with. It'll be closer to 200 once again. You want more than that, you'll have to spring for the V6. As for AWD drive, that should be available as it's the same chassis as the TL, which has it.

HondaGuy347

Agreed, and I think that's limp-dick garbage from Acura. 200hp NA 4cyl can't compete over $30k. Just can't. Was okay in 2004, barely okay in 2011, not anymore.


Should be, but only on the V6. And expensive. I don't want a $45k+ 300hp+ V6 SH-AWD car. Well, I do, but I'm not paying $45k+. I want a 250hp+ $35-40k SH-AWD car. And I don't think Acura is going to offer it.

Craig-D

If you want around 250 hp or more and AWD, I've got a nice BMW 3 series X drive or Lexus IS350 to show you. But you ain't getting those for $35-40k. That leaves you with two choices: the Cadillac ATS 2.0 AWD. Yours for $37k. Or Lincoln MKZ 2.0 AWD for $38k. Your choice. What color would you like it in?

5thTo2nd

The TLX needs to be a knockout for Acura since it's replacing both the TSX and TL. To that end, it's got to be a lot of things to a lot of people. Engine/tranny choices I think they got right. All those people complaining of a lack of manual are in the minority if you go by sales figures. Everything's going DCT these days for better or worse (not that I like it--I also would prefer a good ol stick). The more important issue will be reliability since those are new trannies.

On the styling front I think they went a little too conservative. I don't blame them for that though since the last time they took a chance on styling they ended up with the 4G TL. It's always hard to judge Hondas in pictures since they almost always look better in person but once the rims and side mirrors come off I think it'll look a bit too conservative. Exposed exhaust tips would help.

The biggest issue for me I think will be size. I'm glad it's smaller than the 4G TL but I'm already feeling like the 1G TSX was the right size for me. If the TLX drives like a smaller car than the 2G TSX then I think I'll be in.

The competition definitely has heated up, especially if you're considering how good even family sedans are now like the new mazda 6 and accord. Even though MB has cut a few corners with the CLA, it also ups the bar in the entry-lux category and makes me start to wonder if I'll jump ship. But Honda has always been good in the categories that matter to me--safety, reliability, and resale (remember the TSX was one of the few mid-size cars that did well in the IIHS frontal offset test, I think the TL did well too if I remember correctly).

It's sad to say but I also think these days more and more people are buying cars based on features rather than the driving experience. I was at a friend's house the other day and his wife wanted to upgrade her lexus to the newer one because it has "the audi lights". Nice features that I would like to see in the TLX:

--Push button start
--BMW's kick the bumper to open the trunk feature
--Blind spot warning indicator (which I think they confirmed already)
--Infiniti's i-key that automatically adjusts the settings to the driver's key fob
--LED's under the side mirrors to illuminate side door area when unlocking door again a la BMW

parasitius

Wait, huh? My 3G TL has seat adjustment according to key fob.

The 4G TL loaner I was given had push button start.

HondaGuy347

Honestly, I don't want AWD in and of itself, I just don't want FWD. RWD is preferable, but I'm a realistic man, and I know Acura isn't going to give me that. So I want AWD as a consolation.

I also agree that Lexus, MB, BMW, etc, are going to cost more than the Acura. But I figure you can get a modestly equipped one of those in the low/mid $40s, and I figure the badge and snob factor (and fact that they are basically a dedicated platform and the Acura is generally more platform shared) are worth $5k or so.

Let's face it. A TSX cost ~$32k, $35k with Tech. A 1g RDX was a 2.3T and SH-AWD, and it was ~$36k, $38k with Tech.

I don't think a turbo, AWD sedan from Acura is unrealistic to expect for ~$36-7k base, maybe $39k with Tech. That's my expectation based on the rest of the near-luxury market. I could be wrong, but I will say that as a 14 year Honda/Acura customer, if the best they can do is essentially the same performance and engine from 10 years ago (yeah yeah, DI and 8speeds, that's nice, it's not going to move the needle much on performance), I'm going somewhere else. I'd be surprised if I was the only one.

E-ManN

No .. don't like theTLX at all. Maybe after I see it on road I may change my mind but seems like too much change, hideous rims, no exhaust pipes and WTF ?? ...rear chrome pieces must go. I don't like the ILX either. Way to go Acura you really messed this up !

what was wrong with the lineup ?

All this for the RL ???
- no more TSX
- no more TL


Get rid of the RL .. I've only seen 3 on the road the past 5 yrs.

Don't get me wrong as I am a Honda fanatic and will most likely always buy Honda products but I am quite disappointed with the discontinuation of TSX. Even With the few problems with 09 I still love this car.

optimusaccord

Has anyone seen the TLX spy pics? The chrome is gone.

I am really digging the option for v6 and awd.

However, the next car we are getting is for the boss, thinking the subaru forester turbo. Pretty sweet setup.

Integra2TSX

Negative on the TLX.

DMYG1

I love the styling of the TLX.

SleEper_Cu2

maybe like this

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

Thanks and stay tuned. I am hoping to get in some more reviews once the weather warms up, but we always have new material being added regularly.

optimusaccord

Yeah, like that, maybe just slightly lower?? Or maybe air ride to just sit it on the frame when it is not actually in motion....

Acura_Dude

komplexZ

If their commercial sounds are from a production engine, I think we're looking at a 8000+rpm engine, which likely means at least 100hp/liter, or I can at least dream...

Made a comparison video.

Hugh9269

Or leaving the brand, Acura is not exactly setting sales records or breaking any new ground with its current lineup, The TLX is just a base hit single, when it really needs a triple. Jewel headlights is as exciting as it get these days...

Hugh9269

I think for 1986 - 06, no one had anything but great things to say about Acura. Besides Beating a dead horse, you can fill in the blanks in that era.

orwangatang

Sticking with the TSX for now and probably the near future.

Craig-D

Spy shots of the production version of the TLX have started appearing and it's already been shown that the production version will toned down from what the concept looked like. The rear has been changed and the wheels and side mirrors on the concept are gone. Those considering the TLX might want to wait for the final version before deciding their future with the car. I for one expect to be underwhelmed. It's going to be little more than a bigger ILX.

ejongjin

Maybe not for me,
This is my seoond TSX, profile pic is still 05 but currently I have 09 now.
It is a really nice car but not I want to try other models.