defconskylude

that's hilarious

ceb

I don't think it is better than a Civic. I'd call it a mid-cycle refresh for a Civic.

Why can't anyone but Europeans get small cars right? Quality materials, great fit and finish and all the grown up toys is what will sell small cars at a premium. This is the Honda version of a tarted up Chevy Cavalier and passed off as a Cadillac Cimmaron.

GM learned this the hard way and is now designing new small cars from the ground up - the ATS is a prime example.

I, for one, don't need a huge car, but I would like the things that make a luxury car a luxury car - comfy interior, supportive seats, the electronic bells and whistles and a sporty but still compliant ride. I want adaptive headlamps and the option of active cruise control. I want the latest and greates safety features. Make an Si version for the crowd that wants sporty but don't just hang on a bunch of tacky "aero" parts on the car - design them into the car.

I don't mind paying a premium. After living for 30+ years in Germany, I don't equate small with cheap. Only we do here.

TSXKid2010

Where am I? ):

cyberbro

Boy it feels more Honda then Acura. Glad to have my TSX.

goodhed

Really disappointing and a big step down from the TSX. I have been a loyal Acura fan since my RSX and love my TSX but looks like this is going to be my last Acura if Honda continues down this path.

A brand that once represented technology and engineering has just become another brand trying to increase their market share with half-baked designs and technology. I just hope Acura does not become another Buick.

kixo

It's usually part of the Fire Code of convention centers. Many fire marshalls also require the battery to be disconnected and the fuel filler to be sealed.

kixo

What is that weird stick jutting out of the gauge cluster -- a pen holder??? No wait, it's the MID reset, right?

And what's with the 3 switchblanks on the left of the dash? To remind you of the options that aren't available in North America?

Mr. NC

LOL this is like the Acurazine 2G TSX Allstar lineup

This car does fail at the moment tho....like wow

JavertHL

My god, I see what you mean...

Rocket_man

People... this is NOT a TSX replacement. It is a new entry level car so of course it is not going to compare to the TSX. Was never meant to be. The TSX will evolve into something different next model year. The ILX will stand on its own, good or bad.

I think the Mods need to add an ILX forum so people will quit associating this car as the next TSX.

SSFTSX

There is thread open of ILX replacing TSX.
This thing cannot happen there is no diesel version of ILX to export to another countries. and rest of world has Euro Civic Diesel already that is more upscale than ILX.
TSX is not evolving into any thing else. The current sedan will remain the same untill 2014 in EU and than they will update it. otherwise what will Honda German & UK R&D unit will do?

Euro Accord Type S & Torque vectoring D5 S60 comparision test. despite significant electronics and upscale interior advantage Volvo couldnot win. They were clear about it that Type S chasis were developed in Germany/UK.

HondoGermany

The Volvo has better seats, thats not bad for 19000$ more than the Honda costs. I would buy me nice Recaros, cost maybe 3000$. The 16000$ rest I would spend in ??? LOL

Rocket_man

I doubt the ILX will be exported to Europe. I suspect it is a North American car only, built in the US to keep costs down. The ILX would probably not sell well in Eruope.

The TSX is indeed changing into something else in the 2014 model year when the new US Accord platform is introduced. That is the same platform the TL is based on and so the TSX and TL will form a new car based on this new slightly smaller platform. No one knows what it will be called, maybe a TL, maybe a TLX, who knows, but at this point the TSX will be gone. This achieves Honda's goal of moving production of their cars to the US (with the exception of the RL). It is not clear if the new US Accord platform will be a global platform or not.

pinatubo

I know I shouldn't judge by just seeing one picture online but if it is true, the outside looks fairly good but the inside is just horrible looking.
It makes me love my TSX MORE

3gstealth

iTrader: (2)

Wow, the interior of the cr-z is much nicer looking. How did they manage to botch this so badly?

SSFTSX

ILX simply dont have diesel. It has no chance of being exported to EU. There are even tighter regulation coming in EU. thats why Honda developed world lightest diesel engine its class at huge cost and time. It is being tested on Euro Accord & Euro Civic.
TSX cannot be changed some thing else just like Euro Civic cannot be changed to some thing else. They have specific chasis tuning, engine and designs for EU tastes and Honda has that huge Swindon manufacturing plant.

why do u think that new diesel engine is tested on TSX chasis not on ILX/USDM Accord. because they are bringing those updates much sooner to Euro Accord. once you invest so much time and money. that thing cannot be changed. Just BMW 3 series has the same tried formula.
The amount of money and time that Honda invested in Euro Accord is many times more than money invested in TL. as TL is not global car and has declining sales.



what Honda is trying to do in EU is to reduce the weight of EuroAccord by 500 lbs (Next A4 is shedding weight by huge margin) by introducing lighter engines and the whole support system in frontal body. They may even discard the whole V6 engine from Euro Accord just to design the car for 4 engine only. Hyundai already ditched 6 cylinder for Sonata and this thing benefited them of design a car lighter from ground up. see the new I40 example in EU with 1.7 CRDI engine.

Acura_Dude

^ Great info! I just learned something new. Im still wondering whats their future plans for the TSX since it ISN'T getting scrapped right away. I wonder if the '13 MY SE will come with tech + 6spd MT.

SSFTSX

Next year or so will be interesting for Honda.They are claiming lightest and most fuel efficient diesel. if it came out true in actual test. This will give very big boost to sales in EU and Asia. so Honda will than have money to subsidize diesel sales in US. Just like Germans do.
so we may see Euro Accord diesel at some point. Euro Civic will be too expensive for its small size.
You have to look things from Global perspective as how company makes or lose money in different markets and it does impact there offerings When Honda diesel start falling behind in EU there was little point of introducing them in US.
Risk with ILX is that there is no backup. If it failed in US market. It is practically gone. Failure is not just in terms of sales volume but discounts.
IF dealers have to sell this car at big discounts. Ultimately Honda will be losing money on it.
ILX is not CSX it has unique sheet metal. So it need sales and certain price point.
Honda is uing 2.4L engine across the line up but not 2.0L which majority of ILX sales will be. when you have overweight, wider with large tires and underpower car. its fuel economy will suffer.
Civic EX-L dont use 17inch rim and is less wider.

Rocket_man

Maybe Honda will continue to produce the Euro Accord in EU and in Japan but it will not be imported into the US as the TSX. Two different markets and different costs to Honda. Diesels have never caught on in the US in passenger cars. I think many people associate diesels with noise, smelly exhaust etc... even if modern clean diesels are different. Plus diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline. BMW has decided not to sell its diesel in the US on its new 3-series. We'll know a lot more later this year about the new US TSX-TL. I just hope it has a fold down rear seat!

SSFTSX

6 cylinder BMW diesel has nearly same economic as new BW 328I. so there is is little point in importing 335D when its performance is not better than 328I.
BMW diesel uses urea. but VW 4 cylinder dont require it.
Virtually entire new line up of Audi will be diesel. The fasted growing premium brand in America.
We will not know about TL-TSX this year as this Accord replacement year and USDM Accord will not be that much different than current one. (See coupe example).
ILX is simply not premium enough for entry level. It is devaluing the brand. It will end up like RSX with low sales and finally disbanded.
TSX is still growing strong sales wise in its 4th year with minimal MMC.

Acura_Dude

^TSX

ESHBG

That may not be the case, though, as the sedan is going to be smaller, different engine/tranny options, way more technology features inside, etc., so it sounds like it just may be a complete redesign, and even more so than the coupe.

dallison

It looks like the next step in integra/rsx interiors.

SSFTSX

Accord coupe is 190.8 inch. New Accord sedan may not be much smaller.
2.4L DI engine is good for 181bhp at this point. It is all about fuel economy.
3.5V6 even with 6speed Auto will not have performance of V6 TSX which is rated at 19/28. It is the best you can get with tremendous performance.
Accord sedans dont have handling of Acuras with FWD & all season tire setup. I am pretty sure Honda cheapens the interior to save money compared to Acura.
Accord is good buy compared to ILX but not good enough compared to TSX.