iamitman

If I needed anymore reason to hold on to my 2012 TSX SE 6MT post lease in 8 months, I just found 1. The Base ILX. What a piece of crap this car is. Inside is cheap, suspension is shitty, and it is way too small. 2.4 6MT has more power but it won't fix any on the above issues. I am going to spend 1k to get a new unit with reverse camera, and built in NAV and call it a day. The TLX likely to be 35K or more, I say hold onto your TLX for as long as you can.

iamitman

TSX is the New Legend.

iCrap

the ILX is shit. It's literally a civic with some leather and a new grille.

CGTSX2004

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Just like the TSX is an Accord with leather and a new grille, right?

The ILX has a completely different body from the Civic, including entirely different proportions. Is it a step down from the TSX, absolutely. Is it so bad that it is total crap? Hardly. Honestly, I find the materials to be on par with the new Audi A3, though the powertrain definitely could use some serious upgrades.

iamitman

Actually you are wrong. TSX is the Accord in rest of the World, but not in US. Therefore TSX has more European sports sedan feel. You can tell in ILX they are trying to hide the Civic really Hard! The information screen is from the Si. It rides harsh for a luxury car, and this is with 16" Wheels. I can only imagine how harsh the ride is on with 17" wheels.

iamitman

They just called me that my car is ready, can't get there fast enough to get my car back and get out of this overpriced EcoBox.

iCrap

the TSX and the Accord are totally different aren't they? Aside from maybe sharing few small things. And i've driven both and they are nothing alike.

But isn't the ILX based on the civic? I had read in a few places that underneath it's the exact same thing as a civic. I haven't driven an ILX yet but I have been inside one and was not impressed..

CGTSX2004

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The ILX and Civic share the same platform, much as the TL and TSX share the same platform as the (last generation) Accord. The unibody structures are entirely different. Suspensions and engine tunes vary. Interior layouts are largely different.

Like I said, the ILX is underpowered for the class, but its material quality is no worse than the recently introduced A3. I am not a particular fan of it's interior, but I certainly do not find it offensive. This isn't a Mitsubishi after all.

opboarding

So much hate in here

justnspace

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i always chuckle when some one brings up Acura's "harsh" suspension.

its meant to be stiff guise...
this brand isnt supposed to be floaty and boat like.

TSXy Luster

I WANT RACE CAR!

I HATE RACE SUSPENSION!

sigh.

iamitman

Never said anything about wanting a race car. Isn't Acura Sensible "luxury"?

Anyways got my car back, and feels like I stepped up to a Mercedes. Steering on the ILX was way too light, the interior was lacking refinement (just look at door locks/latch), and was way too small. At $30k it is makes no sense to pick up TSX over ILX if you don't care about the tech. And that problem can be solved for 1k. Acura is about lose lot of customers in 30-35k price segment because Accord, Camry, and Fusion are much bigger and more Sensible "Non Luxury" cars out there.

EricInMaryland

2 weeks ago I got a 2013 ILX Tech loaner with 300 miles on it. I agree with your assessment. What was also funny is that it looked inside like it had many more miles. The yellow warning on the glovebox was so faded. I suspect the dealer rolled back the odometer.

I dont know if the 2014 was improved...but this was clearly not luxury car.

EricInMaryland

I doubt the audi and the ILX can be compared.

iamitman

Even in looks alone ILX is outclassed. It is sad that no Manual is offered in A3, it would have been my next car!

CGTSX2004

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Go spend some time in both, back to back. The interior material quality is on par. Sure there are other reasons to consider an A3, but quality interior materials is not one of them.

iamitman

What about CLA 250?

CGTSX2004

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CLA250 materials feel better, but look mediocre in some areas.

From the three, I would love to have the A3's instrument cluster, ILX-tech center console layout with the A3's controller, built with the CLA's materials. All of them have their faults.

VR1

The CLA is like $8-10k more then a base TSX with the same options. The 29k base price is appealing, but with options it's way overpriced IMO.

CGTSX2004

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Agreed, although some would certainly argue that the prestige of the badge is worth at least some of that. I found the engine lacking in power, steering lacking in feel, but I actually generally like the look and the trunk is surprisingly large and roomy.

Not a car that I would personally seriously consider, but there are plenty of people out there who like it well enough.

rawger

Don't let the ILX owners see this thread...

DynamicJ32

I always saw the ILX as the successor to the CSX.

I'm surprised no one has said that yet.

Mercedes>BMW

PLOL a Mercedes... Haha wow. Maybe the crappy c-class.

I also drove the ILX loaner for a few days as a loaner, and I drove the TSX right after that. As soon as I stepped on the gas the car just went.. Maybe its because it was the ILX hybrid (econ button was not on) that the TSX felt so much more powerful. My dad hated the ILX. The only thing that bothers me is that the ILX had a much better navigation screen, much brighter, a bit more colorful also.

rawger

What year nav of TSX are you comparing it with?

iCrap

Pretty sure its the same on all years?

xtcnrice

I think 10+ or 11+ the screens got "better". But the TSX nav is still shit regardless.

usdmJON

Let's all complain that the cheaper car is cheaper!
Keep your TSX buddy. Clearly if you have the money for the higher model why waste your time.

P.s. though the TSX IS just a an accord with more creature comforts same as the ilx too civic. So what you are saying is the accord is more luxurious and quicker than the civic... thanks captain obv.

Mercedes>BMW

Uhm.. My signature says "2010 Acura TSX" so a 2010 nav. The TSX nav is much better than my cousins SHITTY 2013 Nissan Altima navigation which wont let you input anything if the car is moving, it routes and reroutes VERY slowly which is so inconvinient, his touch screen sucks, and his Bluetooth also messes up often.

rawger

2011 the resolution became MUCH better after they went from CD to HDD.

rawger

My bad, didn't know you were mentioning your own car. But yeah that's the thing. After 2010 they finally updated it. My dads 2010 RDX has the old navi setup, but my 2011 has the updated version. It looks so much better graphics wise. I assume the ILX has the same kind of setup as the 2011+ TSX. It is brighter/ more colorful like you mentioned.

rawger

Why do you say that? I haven't used it, but I also don't notice anything wrong with it.

WheelMcCoy

I'm not very familiar with the CSX, but I do know it's only available in Canada. Is that what the "C" stands for?

But now that you mention it, you might be right... at least for Canada.

xtcnrice

I mean granted the car is overdue for a change (hence the upcoming TLX), but the tech is pretty stupid imo. I was driving on a freeway a month ago, and it wanted me to take the off-ramp (which I didn't). However, because there's a road that's directly underneath the freeway and goes in the same direction as the freeway, the navi thinks I'm on that road underneath, when really I'm still on the freeway. Sure this is a minor detail and more of a thing to randomly laugh at, but certainly makes me feel a little skeptical about the tech behind the nav.

Another, much bigger issue... the phonebook. I have to record an audio tag for each contact I want to call via voice command? Are you kidding me? I don't even use the phonebook anymore. Only time I'm on a call while driving is if someone calls me.

I know I'll get flamed for this cuz the car is long overdue for a refresh, but I wish it was a touchscreen interface rather than that stupid dial. It's pretty difficult to input an address with the dial when we (again) don't have a proper voice recognition interface.

Maybe it's cuz I bought a MY13 TSX... which is more or less the last MY of the car (MY14 hardly counts), and there are much better options in terms of tech/navigation packages in other, more recently refreshed vehicles.

Don't get me wrong, I love the car. But I still find the tech shit.

I'm pretty sure the ILX has better tech than the TSX since it's a newer car. I had a loaner ILX while my TSX was being readied, and although I hated the 2L auto (I cannot judge the 2.4L 6MT), I do recall (from the limited amount of usage) the tech being a tad better on the ILX than on the TSX.

rawger

Lol, that might be a gripe will all GPS systems, not only the one in this car.

But yeah the phonebook is crap. Don't use it anyway so it's whatever. I guess it's a pretty moot point. It gets the job done, but it's not the best out there of course.

I wanted the tech for the iPod integration, which is pretty simple to use and clean. I wish it had a few more options, but it gets the job done also. And the other is a backup camera. Also, after owning cars that don't have a navigation system, having one just adds a sense of refinement and luxury you want in a car.

xtcnrice

Yeah I forgot to mention... iPod integration not showing up track names... or a way to select playlists without touching the device... *sigh* My brother's G37 S does a way better job at this sort of thing, and that car started production in '07

Coming from a 2G TL, I'm definitely happy I have (semi-legit) iPod integration in the car. But I guess compared to some other offerings, the 2G TSX lacks.

EDIT:
I agree on the sense of refinement/luxury, as well as the backup cam. I don't really use the backup cam for backing-up per se, since I'm used to my old parking habits. But I do like glancing at it for a second or two to see if the car is parallel to the lines.

I think I'm just too accustomed to new shit, and the sorta apps/tech you get on smartphones. I think the one feature I really wish the nav had was voice recognition, at least for address input (like you said, the phonebook is a PITA, but it's okay to do without).

EricInMaryland

Bulleye on the voice dial. Just crap. My 2012 Hyundai Elantra dialed better. For this class of car I expect the latest tech and software.

Believe it or not, this one thing has me really thinking about dumping the car in a year. We all know that Acura will NEVER update the software, especially now that the car is retired.

rawger

Mine shows the Track name without any issues? You're right you can't use the iPod while it's plugged in, but there is a playlist category when you search for the music.

Yeah same here, I don't solely rely on it, but it gives a peace of mind there is nothing behind me. Also useful for reverse parking. There's a reason with new laws that all cars in the next few years will HAVE to include some form of a backup camera. Mostly because of children deaths believe it or not.

rawger

Yeah Acura in general was petty behind in their technology, which is sad. They never did a full overhaul of it. Hell, I've seen Lexus's that have had better Nav setups in cars from 06 and 07 than Acura has in 2010, it's unacceptable.

I guess they were waiting this whole time to dump the TL and TSX and start from scratch.

xtcnrice

Hmm..

When I plug my iPhone in, the small screen says iPod, and a track number (i.e., 1/2000). But I don't see the track name being displayed anywhere while the track is playing. You'd think that if that little display is capable of displaying metadata from radio stations (like the radio station name, and the current track), it would be capable of displaying the track that's playing on your actual device.

I think you were referring to seeing the track names on the selection screen of the navi, not necessarily the current track being played.

rawger

Oh okay, yeah if you're talking about the tiny screen, that is not what I meant. I meant Navi screen.