vonbuey

I like the new styling and upgrades, but I'm not blown away by the 2nd gen TSX.

I'm going to keep my '05 until they turn out a diesel version. If/when that happens, I'm upgrading. Anyone else feel the same way?

ostrich

I was previously very intrigued by the diesel option. Unfortunately, it's too little too late on Acura's part now. The 2009 TSX turns out to be less than attractive with that horrendous grille, and the fact that it only has the 4 cylinder option makes me so mad that I am losing interest rapidly with the new TSX. If I want a diesel vehicle in a couple of years' time, I am going to get the Audi A4 TDI, or the Maxima diesel.

Tmetcalf

I was at the stealership yesterday and whilst waiting for my car I got talking to a salesperson who told me he was going up to LA next week to test drive the new TSX and get breifed on it all. He then said that the diesel tsx should be out by August of this year. Will be interesting to see if its that soon, or if they wil wait longer.

TS_eXpeed

I will be sold on the new TSX if the Turbo Diesel comes out WITH that awesome body styling of the diesel seen at the Geneva Auto Show. If it still has the same styling as the '09 coming out...its a no-go for me.

LuvMyTSX

I'm definitely interested, but vehicle price and efficiency will have to be weighed against cost of diesel fuel. Diesel fuel is getting really pricey now. This is really unfortunate, because diesel cars could make a huge comeback with so many new vehicles coming out in the next couple of years, but the price of the fuel is going to turn off a lot of people. As much as I think that using less fuel is more important than saving money, if the price difference is significant, it just won't be worth it to me.

TSXinTN

Is it feasible to think that a diesel TSX could get 50 MPG on the highway? If so, this would save me nearly $1000 per year in fuel. That is also considering diesel fuel is approximately $.50 more per gallon than premium fuel.

LuvMyTSX

I believe the Euro Accord Diesel achieved over 50 mpg.

spurfan15

Absolutely. I suspect we'll see a combined fuel economy in the 40's. With city in the 30s and highway in the 50s probably. Freeway could be really high under smooth driving conditions. The one thing that would be annoying to me, but affects every car, is heavy commute traffic.

Iceman

I am extremely interested in the diesel TSX. I am not sold on the new TSX's front end, but the rest of the car looks great! My next car will have a diesel or hybrid powertrain.

nct1596

According to the honda.co.uk website, the new Accord (i.e. 2009 TSX) with the i-CTDI option gets upwards of 60 MPG on the highway...that's quite impressive. Given that diesel around here is $4/gallon, that's still cheaper than my 28MPG 2004 TSX and premium gas. It's about time for a diesel option.

Of course, off the line acceleration is a bit slower - but has wicked torque. Can't wait!

SSFTSX

Previous Euro diesel got 52mpg vs 30mpg for 2.4 litre on combined Euro cycle.
here TSX is rated for 23mpg in EPA but practically people are achieving 27 to 28 mpg.
so i have no reason to believe TSX diesel will be less than 50mpg. with 60 mpg highway possibility in 65 to 75 mph range. All with V6 like passing power and refinment. 131 mph top speed and 0-60 miles in 9.4 second was achieved with only 138bhp. I havent seen any other 1500KG car with only138hp achieving it.
if they bump diesel slightly to 150 to 180 bhp range it will practically kill V6s on highway speeds because torque for diesel is on very low rpm. practically you can launch vehicle in any gear.

ILTomK

Was the G in 60 MPG an Imperial gallon? If the UK (and the Web site) is still using the Imperial Gallon, then the mileage would be 50 miles per US gallon because the Imperial gallon volume is about 1.2 times the US gallon volume. But even 50 MPG sounds pretty good.

Iceman

I agree, 50 Mpg is more realistic for a 3400-lb car.

xanctus

I would def. go get the diesel if it is coming out for the market.

1Louder

The 09 Accord should also be available in diesel, and I've read similar MPG marks for it. Bet its the same base engine.

nct1596

You're right, the G is imperial G...but as listed in l/km = 4.5 l/km in extra urban driving (highway) and that equates to 52.5 MPG(US). Of course, if they rate their cars like the US, it most likely will be a tad bit higher...so maybe 55 MPG(US)? That's still pretty good! Almost 1000 miles/tank!

nickp85

Anyone see the price of diesel these days... premium gas is about 3.29 a gallon here in NJ and diesel is going for around 4.00 already... I don't think the added MPG will make up for that price difference since when you fill it will take 60 bucks instead of 45.

Iceman

Yeah but you will only have to fill it twice a month.

1Louder

I just noticed when I filed up yesterday - diesel at $4.25. Premium was around $3.70.

At 50 mpg and $4.25, that's 8.5 cents per mile.

At 30 mpg and $3.75, its about 12.5 cents per mile.

But still, that price takes the edge off the benefit...

Colin

Makes me wonder if as more mfgs introduce diesels in the coming years, and demand increases, will production capacity increase enough to start bringing costs down? Will the economics of scale be negated by the ever rising costs of crude?

sauceman

I'd be surprised it would cause a significant increase in demand. Compared to what trucks use in fuel, as well as home fuel furnaces, car diesel is very insignificant.

Hopefully it would help reduce demand on gas, but even then, don't hold your breath.

LuvMyTSX

What would cause a large increase in demand is if the government forces freight ships to use the low sulfur diesel on the market now. That's what they're trying to implement, and if that happens, diesel supply will most definitely go down.

Colin

Interesting. I would hope that in a free market economy, someone would recognize the increased demand and step up production (or build more infrastructure) to fill the market and reap the benefits of increased sales.

Isn't this kinda like oil? US and Canada aren't out of oil, we're just out the the 'easy to get' oil. If the price of imported oil gets more expensive than domestic oil, (environmentalists permitting) we start drilling again. (this is probably over simplifying it a bit, but thats the gist of it as I hear)

SSFTSX

http://www.topgear.com/blogs/drives/...accord-saloon/
It's a serious business, this launching cars game. Take this new Honda Accord - budgets the size of national GDPs must be getting spent making sure that the right message gets out to everyone.

Which is all well and good. But it doesn't hide the basic fact that people aren't really buying these sorts of cars any more. Mondeos, Vectras, Lagunas, you name it; customers just aren't as interested. They want niches, even when niches get so niche that you wonder where you started in the first place. BMW X6, I'm looking at you.

And yet Honda doesn't really have any niche. It's still relying on good old-fashioned engineering integrity, valiantly trying to push its cars into the premium sector. Which is a polite way of saying it's ploughing on with the same old formula.

Not that it doesn't work in the Accord. It's a lovely car and in diesel guise makes a huge amount of sense. It feels expensive inside (dare I bow to the marketing pressure and say 'premium'?), there's plenty of technology available - crucially it's fully iPod-compatible - and it's really comfortable.

The new diesel engine is still the highlight. Smooth, quiet at speed, plenty of torque, economical, low emissions - it's hard to fault. OK, so it's not a sporty number like BMW's twin-turbo diesel, but then it's much less expensive than a 335d.

And it's also where you'll find Honda's niche. Because the diesel won't get an automatic until early 2009, which is extremely rare in the premium class into which Honda is pushing. Apart from anything else, this is quite a lazy diesel, so an auto would be ideal.

The last diesel Accord never got an auto, which is reasonably understandable because the whole engine was so new. Honda has been developing this new version for a while now, so to launch it without that crucial gearbox is staggering.

Staggering and crazy. When the auto comes, the Accord will be a really competent bit of kit. Until then, it's simply not playing with a full deck of cards against the premium boys.