2009 TSX auto vs manual
#1
2009 TSX auto vs manual
Hi everyone,
I searched for this so don't flame me by saying search for this subject because i didn't see much out there comparing the two. If any of you have any experience with the 6MT compared to the auto please chime in.
I have an 09 auto but I was think of switching to a 6MT but in the MPLS area they are hard to find and they are expensive. So far it would cost me about 3K to change over and I am not sure that is worth it.
I had a 2007 TSX Manual and I liked it although trucking the kids around with the manual can get annoying as once in awhile I need to give them their books or dropped blanket, etc. But I miss the control over the car that a manual gives you.
I searched for this so don't flame me by saying search for this subject because i didn't see much out there comparing the two. If any of you have any experience with the 6MT compared to the auto please chime in.
I have an 09 auto but I was think of switching to a 6MT but in the MPLS area they are hard to find and they are expensive. So far it would cost me about 3K to change over and I am not sure that is worth it.
I had a 2007 TSX Manual and I liked it although trucking the kids around with the manual can get annoying as once in awhile I need to give them their books or dropped blanket, etc. But I miss the control over the car that a manual gives you.
#2
Карты убийцы
IMHO, you drive a MT and ride in an AUTO. I still have a blast getting my manual 1997 Accord Coupe in the VTEC range in all of the gears. 270K and still the original clutch... I defy an auto to have a record like that.
#3
Yeah, you're right, an auto will never go 270K on the original clutch! Oh, wait... Just kidding! But you make a good point that these engines were designed to rev, which is not something the auto lets it do much.
Auto works for me - I just want to chill out and cruise down the road.
Auto works for me - I just want to chill out and cruise down the road.
#4
It's a night and day difference; totally different type of drive. Highly recommend the 6MT 2nd gen. Arguably one of the best manual sedans on the market in its class.
#5
I won't be able to get another car with an automatic transmission ever. I hate how you can't control the gears and how the freakin gears in an auto keep changing when you don't want them to.
#7
Thanks for the feedback. I like just cruising sometimes but when I want to really drive I want the MT so I am torn. The paddles will allow me to control it a little better but they just seem like a gimmick to me. I'm getting kinda low balled on the trade too. My 09 has about 5k more miles that the one with the MT and they want me to pay 3k more to trade them
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#8
Thanks for the feedback. I like just cruising sometimes but when I want to really drive I want the MT so I am torn. The paddles will allow me to control it a little better but they just seem like a gimmick to me. I'm getting kinda low balled on the trade too. My 09 has about 5k more miles that the one with the MT and they want me to pay 3k more to trade them
#9
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No comparison for fun & enjoyment with 6MT IMHO
I was initially looking for a TL S (used) and saw the new style (gen2) TSX in the showroom and really liked it (kinda looked like the previouis gen TLs).
All the dealer had was auto. Test drove it a few times and it was nice but felt "muted". One of the other dealers in town had the 6MT and after driving it was completely hooked.
This car with the 4 cylinder and 6MT are a perfect match. The gearbox is absolutely the best I have ever had. Having the manual to have complete control over the RPMs (up and down) is fantastic and fun... love cranking it occassionally toward 7K on each of the first couple of gears...
In your situation, you have a 09 auto... I think switching it out for a 09 manual at $3K is a bit steep... Might be smarter waiting the Japanese supply to recover in the back half of this year or even wait for the '12 and then get a manual... that way, you get the manual you want and a car a few years younger.
Good luck!
#10
^ great post. To the OP: let me just say that I don't drive more than 5k miles/yr, but I wish I drove more, simply because the TSX in a 6MT is an absolute joy to drive. I am literally always looking for an excuse to drive somewhere.
In the meantime, I'm more than happy to make my hefty car payments on a car like this, because I know that years from now, it will still be a desirable car, and will drive the same it did since the day I drove it off the lot.
In the meantime, I'm more than happy to make my hefty car payments on a car like this, because I know that years from now, it will still be a desirable car, and will drive the same it did since the day I drove it off the lot.
#12
I can understand MT is more fun to drive, but somebody who wants an Auto that is fun also, isn't the TSX paddle shifters more than sufficient? Surprised nobody mentioned it....
It pretty much gives you full control of the gears, no?
It pretty much gives you full control of the gears, no?
#14
Three Wheelin'
So...to keep it brief and so that I don't ramble lol, the Auto does a fine job I feel and it is nice to be able to just kick back and cruise, and not deal with the constant shifting in traffic. When I do feel like shifting, I actually find the paddle shifters to be a decent compromise. Perfect? No, but definitely good enough for when I feel like shifting myself and having a little fun.
*Not to mention the Auto actually has slightly better MPG numbers than the Manual. However, I am sure you could probably squeeze the same (if not slightly more) out of the Manual if you really wanted to.
#15
Of the 15 cars I've had, my 2001 TSX is the only auto tranny I've ever owned. Being in my mid 30's it was time for a change, and honestly this car doesn't have the power or characteristics that (IMHO) demand having a manual transmission. And honestly, the car in S mode with the paddles does a great job when you do want to get into it a little... holds past redline, shifts pretty fast, and shifts when you tell it to. It's actually a decent amount of fun.
I'm not saying that the 6spd isn't more fun, it is. But I look at it like this (and this is for my lifestyle only) - 98% of the time I wanted comfort and no-nonsense. The auto gives me that. For the 2% of the time I want the car to feel sporty, I drop it into S and use the paddles. Searching until the end of time for a 2011 MT, waiting, paying more, and buying a car that fit a little better into the 2% sporty portion of my life and killed the 98% comfort portion just didn't work for me. But I'm getting old, and it's really all in what you want.
Cliff notes - the TSX is not a sports car. The auto in S mode is a actually fun. Buy what makes you happy for your lifestyle.
I'm not saying that the 6spd isn't more fun, it is. But I look at it like this (and this is for my lifestyle only) - 98% of the time I wanted comfort and no-nonsense. The auto gives me that. For the 2% of the time I want the car to feel sporty, I drop it into S and use the paddles. Searching until the end of time for a 2011 MT, waiting, paying more, and buying a car that fit a little better into the 2% sporty portion of my life and killed the 98% comfort portion just didn't work for me. But I'm getting old, and it's really all in what you want.
Cliff notes - the TSX is not a sports car. The auto in S mode is a actually fun. Buy what makes you happy for your lifestyle.
#17
Of the 15 cars I've had, my 2001 TSX is the only auto tranny I've ever owned. Being in my mid 30's it was time for a change, and honestly this car doesn't have the power or characteristics that (IMHO) demand having a manual transmission. And honestly, the car in S mode with the paddles does a great job when you do want to get into it a little... holds past redline, shifts pretty fast, and shifts when you tell it to. It's actually a decent amount of fun.
I'm not saying that the 6spd isn't more fun, it is. But I look at it like this (and this is for my lifestyle only) - 98% of the time I wanted comfort and no-nonsense. The auto gives me that. For the 2% of the time I want the car to feel sporty, I drop it into S and use the paddles. Searching until the end of time for a 2011 MT, waiting, paying more, and buying a car that fit a little better into the 2% sporty portion of my life and killed the 98% comfort portion just didn't work for me. But I'm getting old, and it's really all in what you want.
Cliff notes - the TSX is not a sports car. The auto in S mode is a actually fun. Buy what makes you happy for your lifestyle.
I'm not saying that the 6spd isn't more fun, it is. But I look at it like this (and this is for my lifestyle only) - 98% of the time I wanted comfort and no-nonsense. The auto gives me that. For the 2% of the time I want the car to feel sporty, I drop it into S and use the paddles. Searching until the end of time for a 2011 MT, waiting, paying more, and buying a car that fit a little better into the 2% sporty portion of my life and killed the 98% comfort portion just didn't work for me. But I'm getting old, and it's really all in what you want.
Cliff notes - the TSX is not a sports car. The auto in S mode is a actually fun. Buy what makes you happy for your lifestyle.
#18
Thanks for all the response and it does come down to preference. funny how you don't see a lot of manual drivers saying that they regret the choice of getting the manual. I'm just not sure of driving a manual for the next 7 years as I keep the car.
I have looked at selling on my own but with the sales tax difference between trade and selling on my own plus the hassle of people calling me all the time it just seems like a wash
I have looked at selling on my own but with the sales tax difference between trade and selling on my own plus the hassle of people calling me all the time it just seems like a wash
#20
Look at it this way: The manual gets you a lot more performance over the auto for no extra money. The auto is a somewhat outdated 5 speed that takes 8.5 seconds to hit 60. That performance is competitive with a Ford Focus(!). The manual gets you there in 7-7.5 seconds. Drive them back-to-back on a test drive as I did and it's like driving a totally different car. I wonder how many of those who chose the auto actually test drove a manual that same day to experience the vast difference. I drive in a lot of traffic to given my metro NYC location, and there's still no amount of traffic that would have made me choose this car without a manual. If circumstances forced me to have an auto TSX, I would have definitely sprung for the V6. I need speed.
#21
Pro
If you have been driving an auto already, then why dont you know that the auto goes to 7200rpm???
If I drive with S-Mode and paddles I put in the next gear at almost 7400 ?
For sure the manual goes a little better, but with auto on S-Mode or Kickdown you dont even recognize that you are shifting, here I dont loose any speed! I have been driving manuals 25 years, and never been shifting so fast as the auto does. Big Minus is at the start, till I get to 4000rpm the manual is two car lenght in front.
If I drive with S-Mode and paddles I put in the next gear at almost 7400 ?
For sure the manual goes a little better, but with auto on S-Mode or Kickdown you dont even recognize that you are shifting, here I dont loose any speed! I have been driving manuals 25 years, and never been shifting so fast as the auto does. Big Minus is at the start, till I get to 4000rpm the manual is two car lenght in front.
#22
#23
If you have been driving an auto already, then why dont you know that the auto goes to 7200rpm???
If I drive with S-Mode and paddles I put in the next gear at almost 7400 ?
For sure the manual goes a little better, but with auto on S-Mode or Kickdown you dont even recognize that you are shifting, here I dont loose any speed! I have been driving manuals 25 years, and never been shifting so fast as the auto does. Big Minus is at the start, till I get to 4000rpm the manual is two car lenght in front.
If I drive with S-Mode and paddles I put in the next gear at almost 7400 ?
For sure the manual goes a little better, but with auto on S-Mode or Kickdown you dont even recognize that you are shifting, here I dont loose any speed! I have been driving manuals 25 years, and never been shifting so fast as the auto does. Big Minus is at the start, till I get to 4000rpm the manual is two car lenght in front.
I don't know if the auto TSX even lets you get to 7100 rpm before enforcing an upshift, even in Sport mode. But even if it does, the guy with a manual TSX is long gone in a 1/4 mile drag race before the driver with an auto gets there.
#25
I've had 12 two and four wheeled vehicles with manuals over the years, all but one being a Honda product of one form or another. IMHO they make absolutely the finest shifter and transmission package in production. Audi is a damn close second but not BMW. I think anyone that spends some time with a Honda gear box and has the opportunity to drive a BMW would agree. It feels like your rowing a boat.
Anyway, having said all that I bought a V6 auto and haven't regretted it. The paddles are no gimmick. It's nice to be able to snap a quick downshift entering an off ramp and then let the auto take over again. BTW, when in S mode the auto doesn't force upshifts, it bounces against the rev limiter. With the exception of a 6th gear, you can work the powerband pretty much the way you can with the standard...but if they made the V6 with a 6 spd I would've got it.
Anyway, having said all that I bought a V6 auto and haven't regretted it. The paddles are no gimmick. It's nice to be able to snap a quick downshift entering an off ramp and then let the auto take over again. BTW, when in S mode the auto doesn't force upshifts, it bounces against the rev limiter. With the exception of a 6th gear, you can work the powerband pretty much the way you can with the standard...but if they made the V6 with a 6 spd I would've got it.
#26
Three Wheelin'
only down side with 6 speed is 3rd gear problems...
other wise the extra gear allows more close ratios improving acceleration. auto gears are wide, on 4th gear tranny runs out of steam on the 5AT.
other wise the extra gear allows more close ratios improving acceleration. auto gears are wide, on 4th gear tranny runs out of steam on the 5AT.
#27
Control of the gears isn't the issue - it's the huge difference in overall speed and passing ability. The TSX doesn't hit its full 201 horsepower until about 7000 rpm. I don't think the auto is going to let you get there before forcing an upshift, even with the paddle shifters. The manual will take you there every time if you want.
Look at it this way: The manual gets you a lot more performance over the auto for no extra money. The auto is a somewhat outdated 5 speed that takes 8.5 seconds to hit 60. That performance is competitive with a Ford Focus(!). The manual gets you there in 7-7.5 seconds. Drive them back-to-back on a test drive as I did and it's like driving a totally different car. I wonder how many of those who chose the auto actually test drove a manual that same day to experience the vast difference. I drive in a lot of traffic to given my metro NYC location, and there's still no amount of traffic that would have made me choose this car without a manual. If circumstances forced me to have an auto TSX, I would have definitely sprung for the V6. I need speed.
Look at it this way: The manual gets you a lot more performance over the auto for no extra money. The auto is a somewhat outdated 5 speed that takes 8.5 seconds to hit 60. That performance is competitive with a Ford Focus(!). The manual gets you there in 7-7.5 seconds. Drive them back-to-back on a test drive as I did and it's like driving a totally different car. I wonder how many of those who chose the auto actually test drove a manual that same day to experience the vast difference. I drive in a lot of traffic to given my metro NYC location, and there's still no amount of traffic that would have made me choose this car without a manual. If circumstances forced me to have an auto TSX, I would have definitely sprung for the V6. I need speed.
look at rpm and speed and than consider fuel economy at that speeds.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/CIMG0406.jpg
#28
See RDX with only 240bhp and 5speed Auto can outran Hyundai Sonata turbo
Six Speed Auto is good for V6 but not for I4 in current form.
#29
And car and driver disagrees with your Hyundai/RDX assessment.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
#30
First off, I don't buy that. Give me some proof in numbers. That is also an apples and oranges argument. If the TSX hasd the 240 turbo, then the 5 speed wouldn't be as slow...obviously. I don't see the NA 2.4 ever having a ton of torque though, even if more power is squeezed. I'd be willing to bet that at least a half second or more is shaved off the 0-60 of a 6 speed auto TSX 2.4.
And car and driver disagrees with your Hyundai/RDX assessment.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
And car and driver disagrees with your Hyundai/RDX assessment.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
RDX need turbo as it is tall heavy vehicle.
If RDX AWD cutdown time from by 0.3sec. it is more than likely that FWD RDX will do the same with 0-60 timing. So RDX FWD is faster than Sonata once miles are put on RDX engine.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...d_raves_page_3
In addition to trouble-free operation, the RDX also picked up its pace as the miles accumulated. In our initial track test, with 1540 miles on the odo, the RDX clocked 0 to 60 in 6.7 seconds and ran the quarter-mile in 15.3 seconds at 91 mph. With 38,936 miles, it got to 60 in 6.4 seconds and hit the quarter-mile line in 15.1 at 92 mph. Acceleration of many of our long-term test cars improves with age, but the RDX improved more than most.
#31
TSX auto has paddle shifters. you dont need 6speed to improve 0-60 timing by much. I went all the way to 100mph in 3rd.
RDX need turbo as it is tall heavy vehicle.
If RDX AWD cutdown time from by 0.3sec. it is more than likely that FWD RDX will do the same with 0-60 timing. So RDX FWD is faster than Sonata once miles are put on RDX engine.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...d_raves_page_3
In addition to trouble-free operation, the RDX also picked up its pace as the miles accumulated. In our initial track test, with 1540 miles on the odo, the RDX clocked 0 to 60 in 6.7 seconds and ran the quarter-mile in 15.3 seconds at 91 mph. With 38,936 miles, it got to 60 in 6.4 seconds and hit the quarter-mile line in 15.1 at 92 mph. Acceleration of many of our long-term test cars improves with age, but the RDX improved more than most.
RDX need turbo as it is tall heavy vehicle.
If RDX AWD cutdown time from by 0.3sec. it is more than likely that FWD RDX will do the same with 0-60 timing. So RDX FWD is faster than Sonata once miles are put on RDX engine.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...d_raves_page_3
In addition to trouble-free operation, the RDX also picked up its pace as the miles accumulated. In our initial track test, with 1540 miles on the odo, the RDX clocked 0 to 60 in 6.7 seconds and ran the quarter-mile in 15.3 seconds at 91 mph. With 38,936 miles, it got to 60 in 6.4 seconds and hit the quarter-mile line in 15.1 at 92 mph. Acceleration of many of our long-term test cars improves with age, but the RDX improved more than most.
Adding extra gears puts the power down quicker. Go and read basically any article about the 2012 TL, and you'll see how much the reviewers love the new 6 speed auto. The RDX is still an apples and oranges discussion either way. What you really should have compared the TSX to is the NA base Sonata engine which many get in the early to mid 7's 0-60. It has roughly the same horsepower as the tsx (198) with a tad more torque (184). But I guarantee you the 6 gears in that car makes a difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8FOpDZM8BI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-1iPwYJIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9C0...eature=related
You can use the online stop watch to test it for yourself.
http://stopwatch.onlineclock.net/
And those launches were just the pedal mashed to the floor without any proper launch.
#32
Pro
Perhaps the Euro market has different powertrains, but no one is hitting 7200 and definitely not 7400 rpm in a factory spec Acura TSX. The K24Z3 engine found in the North American market Acura TSX has a rev-limiter enforced 7100 rpm redline with either the manual or auto transmission.
I don't know if the auto TSX even lets you get to 7100 rpm before enforcing an upshift, even in Sport mode. But even if it does, the guy with a manual TSX is long gone in a 1/4 mile drag race before the driver with an auto gets there.
I don't know if the auto TSX even lets you get to 7100 rpm before enforcing an upshift, even in Sport mode. But even if it does, the guy with a manual TSX is long gone in a 1/4 mile drag race before the driver with an auto gets there.
I have to correct me. In AutoMode the limiter is at 7000rpm not at 7200 like I wrote some posts above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85ASaa5Z1g
#34
Adding extra gears puts the power down quicker. Go and read basically any article about the 2012 TL, and you'll see how much the reviewers love the new 6 speed auto. The RDX is still an apples and oranges discussion either way. What you really should have compared the TSX to is the NA base Sonata engine which many get in the early to mid 7's 0-60. It has roughly the same horsepower as the tsx (198) with a tad more torque (184). But I guarantee you the 6 gears in that car makes a difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8FOpDZM8BI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-1iPwYJIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9C0...eature=related
You can use the online stop watch to test it for yourself.
http://stopwatch.onlineclock.net/
And those launches were just the pedal mashed to the floor without any proper launch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8FOpDZM8BI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-1iPwYJIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9C0...eature=related
You can use the online stop watch to test it for yourself.
http://stopwatch.onlineclock.net/
And those launches were just the pedal mashed to the floor without any proper launch.
I am pretty sure my TSX is going to beat this time. 0-60 is old way measuring speed. try 0-100mph. and see how big is the difference.
2008 Honda Accord Auto can do the same 7.5sec. so whats the point of 6speed, DI and lighter weight.?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsnK9...eature=related
#35
For everyone comparing the published MT times to the AT times - you have to remember that these times are the results of multiple passes, made by people who drive cars for a living, on a closed course, and they publish the best numbers. And for those published times, we're talking about a difference of ~1 second. That 1 second can be attributed to one of any number of different conditions during the tests, but let's just assume there really is a 1 second difference between the two.
In the real world, 99% of the time, you're not driving in a situation that allows you to push your car to realize that 1 second difference. Not only that, but you're not capable of driving your car to that level in the real world. It's a low displacement engine with a high-strung powerband, unless you are driving at 99% all the time, you're just not going to see the difference everyone is squaking about. Argue all you want...
In the real world, 99% of the time, you're not driving in a situation that allows you to push your car to realize that 1 second difference. Not only that, but you're not capable of driving your car to that level in the real world. It's a low displacement engine with a high-strung powerband, unless you are driving at 99% all the time, you're just not going to see the difference everyone is squaking about. Argue all you want...
#36
If any of you have any experience with the 6MT compared to the auto please chime in.
#37
^ all good points. I live and work within city limits so admittedly, I don't even get a chance to throw it into 6th that much. I will attest to the fun factor in the lower gears though. Lots of windy roads around here that make it a an absolute joy on hills and curves...
What do you mean by "it could have been a lot taller"?
What do you mean by "it could have been a lot taller"?
#38
A taller or numerically lower gear ratio for 6th would have allowed the motor to turn less rpm. Which would have made the car a little more enjoyable to drive on longer trips (less engine noise) as well as get better mpg.
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