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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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wasting money on changing the trans fluid now-- will only seal the transmissions fate!!
read this thread for many examples of exactly that
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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Send your friends a picture of you somewhere nice,, enjoying their donation to your repairs!

Sorry folks, it was you or the shop--- but come take a ride with me!!!
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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 01:12 AM
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trans failure--it effects all cars regardless of make or year or model
the 99 4 speed is better than the later 5 speed but nothing is perfect
Usually you can get 500 labor on the install plus 300 for a 3/36 warranty
Grab the deal now before it goes away- and you get stuck on the freeway when it quits

For num- RECALL is valid even with salvage title, so is the seatbelt warranty
You were part of the trans warranty extension- but not anymore due to salvage

CALL acura 1-800-382-2238 x5 and ask if the recall oil jet was installed
Or look under the hood as has been detailed many times- there is either a 19mm bolt head on top of the trans- its says ATF on it- or there is a small hose going into a bolt that goes into that same hole- thats an oil jet kit
Thanks man! But if the recall wasn't done (and the car was taken to Acura like every three months for servicing by the previous owner), do I get a free transmission? It seems like some people indicated so, even for a salvage title...


Really stressed here.
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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by numairrr
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I have a 99 Tl-p, salvage title. Transmission is beginning to act funny now at 126k (after carwash sudddenly stopped switching btw 1-2 for about 10mins, but for two days since, no more problems. And no lights were flashing on dashboard).
Was there ever a recall on the 99 for the external oil jet kit? I registered at the Acura Owners site and under recalls it has:

Description 2000-03 TRANS WARRANTY EXT
Date 09/27/2002
Type Recall Customer Letter
Status Open

There is no info about the oil jet kit work? If I did qualify for it, would this mean that they'd still have to do the tranny, even though I'm over the mileage requirements and in a salvage? Please, please let it be yes!!!!


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I don't think the oil jet recall applied to the 1999 TL because it uses a 4-speed transmission. The 2000-2003 TL uses a 5-speed.

In any case, having a salvage title pretty much kills the chances of getting warranty or goodwill coverage. But it won't hurt to ask.
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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 10:59 AM
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forget warranty or goodwill on salvage
If the car still has a recall open -that does still get fixed as they are required fix for safety- may be ignition switch-seatbelts-srs-whatever

Chances are if the last owner took it to the dealer all the time- when you open the hood or call 800 you will find the oil kit was installed some time ago
When you take the car in for dealer service they run the VIN for that check/pupose
well at least they are supposed to

In this case- NUM go pick up the phone or open the hood
We cant help you until then
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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 11:01 AM
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Its also possible that a switch was wet after the car wash-since that was the only time of problem- correct?
if it sprayed underneath- I would go to a private honda/acura/import shop or a trans shop and have them check it out

You are stressing over what may be 50 dollars
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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 11:06 AM
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BobF I think you are right- looking back at num's post shows included in warranty extension (no mileage listed but it says 00-03 go figure!) but nothing about the oil jet recall on the 99

Lets hope for some holiday magic and its a simple microswitch got wet or something like that
Easy cheap fix and down the road he goes

Num -spill anything in the cup holder-shifter area- soda-water-anything?
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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 12:40 PM
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BobF I think you are right- looking back at num's post shows included in warranty extension (no mileage listed but it says 00-03 go figure!) but nothing about the oil jet recall on the 99

Lets hope for some holiday magic and its a simple microswitch got wet or something like that
Easy cheap fix and down the road he goes

Num -spill anything in the cup holder-shifter area- soda-water-anything?
Okay, called Acura first thing in the morning and apparently there was no oil jet kit recall on the 99. And, no, I did not spill anything on the shifter area. So, I guess the next step is to take it in to my mechanic and have them check if a switch is defective post car-wash.
If all seems well, I probably should have the transmission fluid changed as it's time. Though some seem to warn not to change the fluid until everything checks out 100% kosher?

THANK YOU guys for helping, I'm praying that I'm not going to have to fork out several grand. But getting help from you all makes this experience much less horrible for me.

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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by numairrr
Okay, called Acura first thing in the morning and apparently there was no oil jet kit recall on the 99. And, no, I did not spill anything on the shifter area. So, I guess the next step is to take it in to my mechanic and have them check if a switch is defective post car-wash.
If all seems well, I probably should have the transmission fluid changed as it's time. Though some seem to warn not to change the fluid until everything checks out 100% kosher?

THANK YOU guys for helping, I'm praying that I'm not going to have to fork out several grand. But getting help from you all makes this experience much less horrible for me.

7000? what are you doin a 6speed swapp? with full Audio system?
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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JDM Inspired
7000? what are you doin a 6speed swapp? with full Audio system?
He wrote several grand, not seven grand.....
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 10:32 PM
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177,777k miles and going strong on first tranny! *knock on wood*
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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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177,777k miles and going strong on first tranny! *knock on wood*
aw man ur screwed.. ppl who post somethinig like that in this thread have their trannies go out

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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 03:03 PM
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Yet another tranny problem

So a couple of weeks ago i started to notice that the gears started to slip going from second into third and then after a few minutes on the highway my cars tranny dropped me from 5th to about 2nd gear with a quick jerking movement putting my rpm gauge up to 5000-5500. The check engine light and VSA lights popped on when this happened so,i slowed down to drop my rpms and hopped off the interstate and went straight to a reputable shop in town since the nearest Acura dealership is a hour and a half away. Anyways, i get the diagnostics test done on the tranny and it pulled up two codes. Luckily, the mechanic there had remembered reading about a recall or warranty extension on the A/T and torque converters to 109,000 miles and/or 93 months because of a defect in the transmissions. So I called Acura of Lynwood where I purchased my 03 TL type-s in July of '07 for $15,500 and set up an appoinment to get my car down there to have the Acura techs to do a diagnostics test which was done at 108,000 miles only to find out that my tranny is pretty much fried and I would have to pay $3800 because my vin was outside the cut-off point. So, I made a call into Amer. Acura and they told me the same thing and that they couldn't help me. After a few days Amer. Acura called back and said that they would drop the price to$2100. (Is that a reasonable price?) I thought this was ridiculous since i fit all the criteria except for my vin number. So, I started to research the problem more in depth and I found this site and everyones woes on the same problem, unfortunately, after I had taken the car there the first time. I just called the dealership again today and asked to speak with the service manager like 01tl4tl said to do in the tranny thread and explained to him the problem and asked if there was any way I could be goodwilled from the corp. He told me that he would speak with his district manager and would give me a call back later today and let me know what they will be able to do for me. If they stick with the $2100, would a 6 speed manual tranny be a better decision? I will post later tonight with what the service manager says?
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 03:24 PM
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So a couple of weeks ago i started to notice that the gears started to slip going from second into third and then after a few minutes on the highway my cars tranny dropped me from 5th to about 2nd gear with a quick jerking movement putting my rpm gauge up to 5000-5500. The check engine light and VSA lights popped on when this happened so,i slowed down to drop my rpms and hopped off the interstate and went straight to a reputable shop in town since the nearest Acura dealership is a hour and a half away. Anyways, i get the diagnostics test done on the tranny and it pulled up two codes. Luckily, the mechanic there had remembered reading about a recall or warranty extension on the A/T and torque converters to 109,000 miles and/or 93 months because of a defect in the transmissions. So I called Acura of Lynwood where I purchased my 03 TL type-s in July of '07 for $15,500 and set up an appoinment to get my car down there to have the Acura techs to do a diagnostics test which was done at 108,000 miles only to find out that my tranny is pretty much fried and I would have to pay $3800 because my vin was outside the cut-off point. So, I made a call into Amer. Acura and they told me the same thing and that they couldn't help me. After a few days Amer. Acura called back and said that they would drop the price to$2100. (Is that a reasonable price?) I thought this was ridiculous since i fit all the criteria except for my vin number. So, I started to research the problem more in depth and I found this site and everyones woes on the same problem, unfortunately, after I had taken the car there the first time. I just called the dealership again today and asked to speak with the service manager like 01tl4tl said to do in the tranny thread and explained to him the problem and asked if there was any way I could be goodwilled from the corp. He told me that he would speak with his district manager and would give me a call back later today and let me know what they will be able to do for me. If they stick with the $2100, would a 6 speed manual tranny be a better decision? I will post later tonight with what the service manager says?
Welcome to AcuraZINE!

I think $2,100 is pretty reasonalble for an out-of-warranty repair. Some have gotten full coverage while others were offered much less.

Hopefully they will drop that number even more. It is a bit crazy that they don't fully cover all of the 2003 TLs. That's pretty common knowledge on this forum but it sometimes comes as a shock to others.

IIRC, the 6-speed swap would definitely cost you more than $2100 and it's not a trivial job.

Good Luck!
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 06:18 PM
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they were trying to settle the court case that resulted in the extended warranty
they needed a vin number, so they picked the most recent one and said- thats a cutoff point-
If the car has been in for any service, and trans fluid changes in its life, acuras goodwill goes a bit farther
If you bought the car as `CPO` from an acura delaer- they really should be taking better care of you

Was the recall oil jet kit install done?
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 06:20 PM
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the 6 speed requires a different engine, CL-S and trans, plus ecu and other control modules and more.
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 06:37 PM
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Yup, it's done.

Tranny out. Aamco found steel shavings in the trans fluid, engine light is on, Code P0740. Am going to go throw myself at the feet of Goodsons Acura here in Irving and see if they'll work out something, I'd be hapy with 40% and 60%, 40 being my share. Last owner serviced this car there religiously before it was totaled and sold to me. Now, in my salvage title, and 12k over the 114k extension, I'm hoping they will stll help.
Any last minute tips for a man facing the abyss, well, facing several weeks without a car at least...

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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 07:47 PM
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So relieved Island Acura finally called me back about my transmission Acura Corporate is willing to honor the warranty because of the low mileage!! That means no out of pocket cost. Now just have to wait for my parts to come in hopefully they will give me a loaner car since its warranty work. My friend over there also told me my motor mounts are shot and those are going to have to be replaced but hes gonna get them for me at his price which is nice but is that typical too for motor mounts to go out just like that?
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 11:42 PM
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So relieved Island Acura finally called me back about my transmission Acura Corporate is willing to honor the warranty because of the low mileage!! That means no out of pocket cost. Now just have to wait for my parts to come in hopefully they will give me a loaner car since its warranty work. My friend over there also told me my motor mounts are shot and those are going to have to be replaced but hes gonna get them for me at his price which is nice but is that typical too for motor mounts to go out just like that?

apparently, yes. harsh transmission shifting can briuse/tear motor mounts. mine were affected too.
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 01tl4tl
they were trying to settle the court case that resulted in the extended warranty
they needed a vin number, so they picked the most recent one and said- thats a cutoff point-
If the car has been in for any service, and trans fluid changes in its life, acuras goodwill goes a bit farther
If you bought the car as `CPO` from an acura delaer- they really should be taking better care of you

Was the recall oil jet kit install done?
Yes, the recall was done i believe. The dealership gave me the report on what had been done to my car, it said that the previous owner took the vehicle in '04 for the recall.Oh and I didnt get a phone call back from the service manager yet either. So all i can do is sit and wait since its outta my hands now.
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 06:39 AM
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apparently, yes. harsh transmission shifting can briuse/tear motor mounts. mine were affected too.

Well I guess that makes sense silly question >.<
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 10:42 AM
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many TL with nicely treated trans still lose the front and passenger side motor mount!
Often discovered at trans failure when someone actually looks at the mounts
The front is about $120-140 for the part! and 15 minutes labor with the trans removed.
The side mount is ~$30-45 and 30 minutes to install regardless of trans

ASK if the rear main oil seal should be replaced now- its a few ($30) dollars for security and peace of mind against its failure next year
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 10:45 AM
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did you buy it as `CPO` Certified Pre Owned- car at the acura dealer? then there should be no arguement about full warranty coverage on the trans- thats why you pay extra for CPO cars- acura extends the warranty on them
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 10:48 AM
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numm- acura owes you nothing- the car is salvage for whatever reason- that voids the trans warranty extension
They will also say that since another shop has opened the trans- no warranty
Even the dealer isnt allowed to open the trans case- acura corp wont warranty any of those and the dealer gets stuck with the bill

All they ever do is a boroscope inspection when installing the external jet kit-recall issued in 2004
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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many TL with nicely treated trans still lose the front and passenger side motor mount!
Often discovered at trans failure when someone actually looks at the mounts
The front is about $120-140 for the part! and 15 minutes labor with the trans removed.
The side mount is ~$30-45 and 30 minutes to install regardless of trans

ASK if the rear main oil seal should be replaced now- its a few ($30) dollars for security and peace of mind against its failure next year
Wow thats weird is there a reason for that? Are they just crappy mounts? I mean Im not really worried Ill pay for them to be replaced but how long do they usually hold up?
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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Going to Acura this weekend

If I'm only 18 then will the dealership offer me a loaner while getting the tranny fixed? I need a car to get to work/school so I need to know if I'll have to make arrangements
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 04:21 AM
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^no, loaners are not provided to under age of 21 and most dealers it is 25

I had the trans replaced in my CLS a few months ago and the kit inclided

1. new ecm
2. new mounts
3. new trans part #
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 05:34 AM
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loaner age is a legal issue that varies by state- call a car rental company and confirn the age for your area
Loaner cars are considered rentals the dealer is paying for
18-- not anywhere I ever heard of~

the front mount is a trick oil fluid filled unit and some years even have a vac boost to it!
The problem is no upper engine brace results in bigger strain of the mounts, more if driven hard, but eventually they fail! 60k miles would be a reasonable number to expect before failure
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 08:42 AM
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I got a rental when my transmission was replaced...I was 23 at the time (was just 3 months ago). My front mounts were replaced when the transmission was...at a cost of $250...luckily that's all I had to pay for for that visit.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 10:25 AM
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hmm.. well if my dad went up with me would they give him a loaner so i can drive his car?
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 10:48 AM
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sure if dad is the one who will be driving the loaner- not you- then have the service order written in his name, with him standing there, and he gets the loaner...you drive away in the family car in which you are insured...everybody is happy!
Good thinking!!
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 10:49 AM
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there is a major labor discount on the front mount with the trans already removed-
It takes .3 or 3/10ths of an hour to do it then, instead of the 2 or 3 hours the book gives when trans is installed
Some service writers forget to make the correction in the computer~
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 01tl4tl
numm- acura owes you nothing- the car is salvage for whatever reason- that voids the trans warranty extension
They will also say that since another shop has opened the trans- no warranty
Even the dealer isnt allowed to open the trans case- acura corp wont warranty any of those and the dealer gets stuck with the bill

All they ever do is a boroscope inspection when installing the external jet kit-recall issued in 2004
wow, so if i had aamco look at the car, it was like a free 30 min inspection, then the likelihood of Acura offering me some sort of goodwill (50-50) is much worse now?
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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if aamco just plugs in a code reader and does a visual and road test inspection- thats ok
If any shop opens the transmission case- nothing from acura for sure

Numm- in your case- you have salvage title= that means VOID on the trans warranty extension- sorry
99 did not have the external oil jet kit recall either- sorry
What did aamco say they tested and the results? codes? road test?
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 01tl4tl
if aamco just plugs in a code reader and does a visual and road test inspection- thats ok
If any shop opens the transmission case- nothing from acura for sure

Numm- in your case- you have salvage title= that means VOID on the trans warranty extension- sorry
99 did not have the external oil jet kit recall either- sorry
What did aamco say they tested and the results? codes? road test?
Aamco found steel shavings in the trans fluid, engine light came on earlier that day, Code P0740. To open the tranny, wouldn't that be a big job? Not somthing they'd do for free right? They quoted me something like $480 to open the tranny and take the parts out, and offered to apply the money towards repairs.

I know I have a salvage title, but the previous owner had all their work done (even oil changes) at Goodson's Acura in Irving, till 105k. The mileage is 126k currently, if I go to them, given that it's a salvage title now, would they not be willing to offer anything?
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 06:37 PM
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By all means, give it a try & report back with whatever they tell you- what do you have to lose?
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 06:51 PM
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you can ask them--- BUT--- salvage title to acura corp- who is footing the bill, that voids the trans warranty extension,,, so they are off the hook on some cars

Metal shavings in the oil would be a bad sign!

They may be willing to price match aamco at 2500 for a rebuilt unit-installed

Business is slow everywhere, some money is better than none- so go ask for some help, realizing they have no legal responsibilty- and only moral obligation if the car was a regular customer to them- from your family

What aamco did was read the codes and drain a small oil sample- not a problem.
The $480 inspection would void anyones acura trans warranty!~
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 01tl4tl
sure if dad is the one who will be driving the loaner- not you- then have the service order written in his name, with him standing there, and he gets the loaner...you drive away in the family car in which you are insured...everybody is happy!
Good thinking!!
Oh awesome. That way I'll still be driving an Acura dad has a tsx I made him buy. lol
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 08:11 AM
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Ok i'm sorry i keep posting so many questions but i just have one more- if i usually take my car to a local honda dealership instead of Acura then should i see if they would give me a good deal? I've never even gone to our Acura dealership except when my family almost bought a car there. I don't know if they're still mad about not getting the sale
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 01:20 AM
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Is it a bad idea to buy like an EverDrive transmisson and have that put in? Or a rebuilt transmission (about $2200). Other than the dealership, is Aamco the best/only choice? Am willing to spend upto $2800 or so...

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