spiro

Can anyone please tell me what may be the potential difference between the tls and a 2003 tlp?

If you already ahve a Type-s you MAY Not need these????
Right side cabin to engine comp harness 32100-S3M-A12
Left side cabin to engine comp harness 32120-S3M-A20
I Would attempt with out (that i bought and used with out trying without first) It will make not having to do all the rewiring of
that i did.


This is a sure buy?
Upper instrument harness 32117-S3M-A31
Lower dash harness 32150-S3M-A32



What part is this? If I buy the complete cls engine, will I get this?

If you dont already have the Type-s you will want the IMRC 37850-PGE-A01

This was taken from fsttyms1 6 speed conversion post.

fsttyms1

What?????

fsttyms1

Oh and you will need to buy the 37850-PGE-A01 as that does not come with the motor. Its a control unit under the dash.

spiro

Is there anyway around this?
Upper instrument harness 32117-S3M-A31
Lower dash harness 32150-S3M-A32

Thanks for your prompt reply.

spiro

Can anyone please tell me what may be the difference between the harness of tls and a 2003 tlp?

If you already ahve a Type-s you MAY Not need these????
Right side cabin to engine comp harness 32100-S3M-A12
Left side cabin to engine comp harness 32120-S3M-A20
I Would attempt with out (that i bought and used with out trying without first) It will make not having to do all the rewiring of
that i did.

spiro

I went acuraautomotiveparts.org but could not find a diagram.Can someone post a picture of this component?
Thanks for helping.

fsttyms1

A way around it(the harnesses), Get the modules. If not no, probably not. Are there any differences? Look the part #s up and see
http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/...catdisplay.jsp

That part look under control unit cabin.

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adamlee05

Spiro if you want to save some money and work, just get one of Richie's modules. You wont need to change any harnesses in the car to use the 6-speed. However if you swap in a Type-S engine at the same time, you'll need a window control module (like $100) to tap into the RPM signal from the engine. It will allow you to engage the Type-S Intake Manifold's runner length control door.

spiro

[QUOTE=adamlee05;10789251]Spiro if you want to save some money and work, just get one of Richie's modules. You wont need to change any harnesses in the car to use the 6-speed. However if you swap in a Type-S engine at the same time, you'll need a window control module (like $100) to tap into the RPM signal from the engine. It will allow you to engage the Type-S Intake Manifold's runner length control door.[/QUO

But Richie does not have a harness as yet, and no one knows when one will be ready.

adamlee05

Actually I talk to Rich quite a bit and he does have a Harness for the TL's. He has one for the 99 4-speeds thats working, and has made and tested successfully 5-speed versions using Auto Type-S ECU's and Oddy ECU's. I'll ask him later tonight, but IIRC he can make one for the Base TL 5-speed ECU's no problem, in fact he might already have.

spiro

http:///forums/showthread.php?t=73383&page=50

I have been foll the progress via this thread, this does not indicate in anyway that he has a working harness.
Thank you for your help.

adamlee05

The link you posted doesn't work, but going by "forums/showthread.php?t=73383&page=50", you pulled that from a 2002 thread by Zues looking for headlights.

Obviously you don't spend much time on the forums, because not everything is kept up to date on the threads here. Rich doesn't even have a TL to begin with, so he rarely comes to our forums. The easiest way to talk to him about his harness is via the V6 P forums, but I usually just reach him via AIM or text.

Considering some of the auto-Accords with J32A2+6MT swaps are running auto Type-S ECU's with his modules, that JCharged ('00)has already ordered his, and that both Phee ('99) and I ('00) are planning to run our builds on it as well should indicate something.

spiro

Sorry about that, try google 6 speed obsession. No one has a module as yet including Richie himself.

spiro

I was at a wrecker trying to figure out what this thing is!!
Is this a sort of a brass finish box type component bolted to the right side, on the kick panel, under the glove box?

adamlee05

Again what a forum says and whats actually happening in the world are different. Per Richie HIMSELF, he does. And notice the user "JCharged" talking about recieving his hopefully within the next week? JCharged is under the exact same name here, and has a 2000 TL-P with a J35 6MT.

spiro

Thanks everyone for your help so far.
Lets change the tone of this thread:
Richie module is not an option.
I will be doing a full 6 spd swap, like the one fsttyms1 did except I will be using a cl 6mt engine.
Last but not least,I need a whole lot of support from acurazine. Cheers!!

adamlee05

Thats fine don't go with the module if you don't want, but don't say it doesn't exist - especially after someone lets you know in fact it does. As for why its not an option, if you want to spend an extra $700 and rip apart your car go for it.

If you find a cheap Type-S non-6MT engine and need the timing components I have them. I sourced a CLS-6 Engine for my build but decided to use the module as its gonna save a LOT of work and even more money, so I have the sensors and gears and such in a box.

Goodluck with your build, prepare for a LOT of Honda boxes via fedex

spiro

Engine. J32A2 If needing a new engine look for a CLs-6 motor
03 CLs-6 speed manual.
Ignition switch and key.
03 CLs 6 speed ECU
03 CLs-6 Flywheel 22100-PGE-026
03 CLs-6 Flywheel bolts (Qty 8) 90011-PGE-000
03 CLs-6 Clutch Assembly 22105-PGE-305
03 CLs-6 Rear Engine mount and bracket 50810-S3M-A01, 50827-S3M-A00, BOLT (m12X25) 90166-S3M-A00
03 CLs-6 Rearand Front Engine Dampenerand bracket 03 CLs-6 Shifter and cables. 54100-S3M-A01, 54310-S3M-A01
03 CLs-6 Starter 31200-PGE-A11 03 CLs-6 Gauges
03 CLs-6 Hydraulic Clutch lines. 46960-S3M-A01, & 46970-S3M-A01
03 CLs-6 Trans mounts (2 of them) 50806-S3M-A03, 50805-S3M-A03
03 CLs-6 Cup Holder 77230-S3M-A01ZA
03 CLs-6 Parking brake 47105-S3M-A04ZA and to go with it,
Spring 47537-671-670, Nut 47522-594-000, Equalizer pin 47365-538-000, Equalizer 47360-SB2-000
Brake/Gas pedal assembly from either the accord or CLs-6. Clutch pedal. If you decide to buy it new you will need the pedal and mount CLUTCH PEDAL 46910-S3M-A01 & CLUTCH PEDAL BRACKET 46990-S84-A01
MASTER CYLINDER ASSY 46922-S3M-A01 & Clutch Fluid Tank 46965-S5A-013, & Clutch Hose 46961-S3M-A02
Relay box assembly (under hood) 38250-S3M-A21

Thanks very much for your kind offer, I have these parts so far.

fsttyms1

Its a black box in the shape like the pic above.

spiro

Thank you. The wrecker is trying to chase it down.
fsttyms1 .Did you have to custom wire your seats to get them to work after your swap?
My question stem from reading a thread sometime back about someone (not you) having problems.

fsttyms1

A lot of things had to be redone. Most of it was a matter of repining harness

spiro

I should be getting the harness sometime next week. Is it posible for you to give me some direction on what needs to be done before installatio?

fsttyms1

Possibly if i can figure out how to get my scanner to work with windows 7.

Most of it is the dash harness to cabin harness (seats, speakers, door locks etc) That is why i said to try to use the dash harnesses. Id wait till every thing is in and see if it runs with it.

spiro

For the benefit of future swaps, I am going to try reusing my underhood fuse box. If it work, thats one less part to buy.

The right side cabin to engine compartment also look similar, but will have to wait a little util the swap is in the latter stages to verify that one.

If it does not work, I am getting one from the MT in the pakage so it will be just a matter of switching it.

Thanks again for all the help so far.
Will keep you great guys informed on the progress.

spiro

I was over at acuraautomotiveparts .org, looking at the electrical connectors for the front of the tlp, there are four or them on the right. The tls, cls and cl all have 5 connectors. That is, comming off of the right side harness.
Can someone shed some light on what the fifth connector is connected to?
Thank you .

spiro

Sorry!!
I was over at acuraautomotiveparts .org, looking at the electrical connectors for the front of the tlp, there are four or them on the right. The cls and cl all have 5 connectors. That is, comming off of the right side harness.
Can someone shed some light on what the fifth connector is connected to?

adamlee05

....would you like me to just GIVE you all the dash and engine harness pinouts and connector diagrams? It wouldn't take but like 10 seconds then you can figure what you can/can't use. Theoretically you can re-pin all your harnesses pretty easily to work with the CL-6 ECU. A few weeks back I compared the TL-P/TL-S PCM connectors to the 6MT ECU ones; IIRC everything needed for the 6MT ECU exists in our harnesses, minus IRMC wiring in the TL-P, to be rewired for use. The only issue is the connectors are shaped differently so you'd have to work around that. I'm considering it myself if I can figure out a way to make a connector to fit the ECU or something

Also to backtrack a little...
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...age=3&post#107

Not to be an ass, but you KNEW Richie had working modules, exactly as I said BEFORE I said it. Regardless of if you were dead set on not using one, you shouldn't have blatantly stated lies about its existence. The guy works hard to make these things for those of us doing swaps (TL or Accords, doesn't matter), and to any unknowing people who might have ran across what you were saying about it not existing is basically you bashing his work.

spiro

Sorry, if my post offended anyone!
I do not think any thing is wrong with excercising the brain.
I am aware that Richie has a working harness.
Subsequent to our conversation, I email Richie and he confirmed that.
I expressed the importance of updating the 6 speed obsession thread so that guys like me can be aware of what is going on.
Doing so, will prevent us from forming our own opinion, which is not to the benefit of anyone.
I am also aware via the thread that your harness is presently in the mail.
Install and enjoy..

spiro

....would you like me to just GIVE you all the dash and engine harness pinouts and connector diagrams? It wouldn't take but like 10 seconds then you can figure what you can/can't use. Theoretically you can re-pin all your harnesses pretty easily to work with the CL-6 ECU. A few weeks back I compared the TL-P/TL-S PCM connectors to the 6MT ECU ones; IIRC everything needed for the 6MT ECU exists in our harnesses, minus IRMC wiring in the TL-P, to be rewired for use. The only issue is the connectors are shaped differently so you'd have to work around that. I'm considering it myself if I can figure out a way to make a connector to fit the ECU or something

Regarding those connectors you are after, I asked the guy I bought my parts from, to put all the pieces of wiring he can find in the box. The parts were delivered to the shop this morning, if I have those in there, I will be happy to send them your way.

spiro

Sorry. The guy sent no wiring or connectors.

spiro

Arranged to have one picked up i.e. the computer end of the engine harness.
Will use it to power my 6mt ecm to check the other harness and make necc alterations before I pull my engine out. After I am finish you can have it.

I know its sounds backwark walking. Fix the wiring issue then put the engine and tranny in. My position is, I cannot occupy the shop for more than two days.Day one,The tlp with a cls conversion. Day two, the tls with Richie module.
The tlp I will start stripping it this wekend at home, getting the clutch and e-brake and dash wiring, cluster ecm in place. Then, with some help from azine repin the harness.Get seat and other stuff working, over to the shop pull an drop engine drive out same day.

phee

iTrader: (5)

where are you located? i know someone selling a complete swap

spiro

What would a complete swap include?
Price?
Toronto Canada.

spiro

$2700.00 cdn

adamlee05

I got confused...did you decide to replace the harnesses or go withone of rich's modules? I just saw both mentioned and i guess i got lost...lol

in regards to those connectors youre referring to, theyre the cl-6 ecu connectors? im still a little lost but yeah i could use them if you aren't going to be. there are a total of 3, the engine harness has 2 of them on it.

sorry if im 100% off here...i just got mega confused with what youre doing

spiro

I have two cars:
Tlp going full cls conversion, starting this weekend
Tls going Richie harness start when #1 is finished.
Connectors: 6mt engine harness- Two connectors+ about four feet of wiring
Connector #3 cannot help you with(dash harness) but
will keep my eyes open.
Like I said you will have to wait until my first swap is finished (one month) or if I get everything going on the inside before. That is the seats, doors,stereo and...
I want to use the harness/connectors mentioned above to power the ecm so I can work on the seats, doors,stereo and...
If there is a way around that let me know, you can have it now.

spiro

Well, a closer look at my parts revealed, I did not receive any of this:

03 CLs-6 Rear Engine mount bracket 50810-S3M-A01, 50827-S3M-A00, BOLT (m12X25) 90166-S3M-A00
03 CLs-6 Rearand Front Engine Dampenerand bracket (i would reccomend aftermarket here)
What is the aftermarket deal on this stuff, or if any one is generous to sell me these components.

fsttyms1

The engine damper is a torque damper. They can be bought on EBAY and can be made to fit. They are better than the stock units. There are DIYs and more info on the CL side if you do a quick search

spiro

Thank you. Will go check on it. I may even get lucky, and get a cheap one from one of the guys, that did the upgrade.

fsttyms1

They arent that expensive new. Its like a shock, you may not want used.