thinhthan

sometimes my 2nd gear slips. can i just replace the 2nd clutch packs or do i need a new tranny?

fsttyms1

you can replace just 2nd but it would be pointless to do. If your going to take the time to remove the trans fully disassemble the trans you might as well replace the other clutchpacks. Especially 3rd which is the one that wears out.

gold2003tl (90)

i slip about 200 rpms shifting between 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, and 3rd into 4th. i also get shuddering in 2nd and 3rd. sometimes 4th.

i bet you also get shuddering, its because the clutch packs are braking off into little fragments and clogging up the tranny fuild. check your fuild, if its smells burnt and looks black or brown than the tranny is going to fail, maybe not right away, but its on the way.

i am waiting to hear from the dealer if i can get a goodwill tranny, i have a pretty good feeling i will. i hope the rebuilt ones are better.

thinhthan

Is the 3rd clutch wear out for the 99 to cause i got a 99. where can i get the clutch packs at?

gold2003tl (90)

i dont think you can just buy clutch packs from a place like acureoemparts, i think you can for the 00-03, but the 99's 4 speed is different.

your not going to be able to tell whats the problems just by driving it, your going to have to get it checked out and inspected. you can take it to the dealer for a test drive with a technician and they will be able to determine if your tranny needs to be replaced. as for whats causing your tranny to fail can only be determined by taking the tranny apart and diagnosing the problem.

you might have better luck taking it to a tranny shop rather than the dealer because your car wont be covered by any warranties, just make sure they dont put the wrong fluid in it or flush it out with a machine.

fsttyms1

You can get them here

http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/...catdisplay.jsp

But like i said it would be pointless to change just the one gear.

thinhthan

yes i know that why ill just replace all 4

Edward'TLS

Poor Thinhthan, it seems like you're having problems after problems for your TL.

Edward'TLS

Agree. You also need to change the tranny case to the latest updated version which contains more oil passage ducts for improved internal cooling, as well as an updated PCM with revised shift programs. Otherwise, the gear(s) that you replace will also fail the same way in the future.

thinhthan

man you dont even know im starting to get tired of fixing problems after problems im like ready to just part this shit out

thinhthan

but mines is the 99 i didnt think that it needed the newer version. and whats the updated pcm with revised shift programs

fsttyms1

Just have it rebuilt. Just so you are aware, There is more to it than just open it up and put these in. There are springs, seals, retainers, clutch pistons then there are the solenoids that should be replaced, the internal filter, clean out the valve body inspect for any other wear... etc

Edward'TLS

For TL's with a particular range of VIN number, the dealership will also replace the PCM with an updated one, during the dead tranny replacement job. The new firmware inside the updated PCM will retard the engine timings during gear shift transitions such as to reduce the amount of engine power having to dissipate inside the tranny.

thinhthan

o yea i heard that its more expensive to rebuild a honda tranny than to just buy a used one?

thinhthan

so i should just buy a new case and used what ever is serviceable from my old tranny? and buy a new pcm

gold2003tl (90)

if your going to get a used one (which will fail, just a matter of time) then do a 6 speed swap.

even after i get my tranny rebuilt/replaced (which im still waiting to hear from the dealer) i plan on doing a 6 speed swap over next summer or 2 just as a pre caution.

thinhthan

i wanted to do the 6 speed to but i just cant find a wrecked cl

gold2003tl (90)

^ me too, its going to take me a while to find all teh parts, especially the 6 speed. as long as the rebuilt tranny from acura holds up for a while ill be satisfied, but after a while i dont expect it to last forever. i want my car on the road for as long as i can, and the only way to do that is a 6 speed.

thinhthan

yea i was planning on looking for a wrecked cl that way ill have everything i need and ill just have to swap everything over you know. that why im prob gonna just rebuild the tranny i got until i find one and than wen i get the 6 speed ill put my rebuild tranny into my other tl that is not runnning

fsttyms1

Another i heard. Not true. Plus you wont get a "new" trans any more any way. They will be rebuilt. There is nothing wrong with a rebuilt as long as its done properly.

thinhthan

ok than ill just rebuild mines. i toke apart a couple american trannys in school and put them together and they ran i know cause at the school they got a dyno for auto trans. is it a big different with our trannys and americans? i build the 700r4 and 4l60 and like a 350. and can someone give me a complete list of what i need to rebuild

nayyarn

Yes, you better off rebuilding the transmission if you can youself. It will save you alot of money. I spent $3700 to have mine rebuilt, the dealer wanted over $4000. I said see ya. Acura client services gave me no love also. Still love the car but thinking of selling or trading it in now.

gold2003tl (90)

acura got back to me today, they told me they will do a 50/50 and it will cost me $1650. i dont feel like spending that much on a tranny thats unreliable, but it looks like thats what i am going to have to do. seems like thats going to be my plan, pay the 50/50 and get a new tranny, and in a year or so do a 6 speed swap. or get it fixed and sell the car in a few months with a "new tranny".

nayyarn, how is your rebuilt tranny holding up?

nayyarn

Gold2003tl, Acura is giving you a better deal than they did to me. My rebuilt tranny is fine, runs great, love the car still even after 9 years. The shop where I had it fixed gave me a 3 year or 36K warrenty. The 2nd tranny was rebuilt at 122K and lasted 71K total. So now that I am on tranny number 3 and I have 125K plus on the car; I am most likely going to sell or trade the car. Acura has disappointed me big time and I am die Honda\Acura fan.

thinhthan

do anyone got a complete list of what i need to replace to rebuild my tranny? i know clutch packs, clean the valve body, someone said solenoids. what else?

thinhthan

can someone give me a complete list of what i need to rebuild my tranny?

Edward'TLS

Very likely that no one has ever tackled this daunting task of rebuilding a 2G tranny himself.

spoka

iTrader: (6)

I would suggest having a professional do the rebuild for you

thinhthan

well i rebuilt a transaxle before in school and it was not that hard. how different can a honda transaxle be compared to a american transaxle

fsttyms1

Acura is a 3 shaft design. Its very much like a manual trans, and different than a 4l60. Look at the picture i posted. You will need ever thing there. Plus you will want solenoids and filters. You will need to fabricate tools to get the case apart and the drums out. You may find you need other things once in.

thaprinze

Has anyone here received any love from Acura Client Services when attempting to rebuild/replace a transmission at 120k+ miles? Mine just went out at 123k, but there's records from me complaining about it to the Honda service center at 60k miles.

Aamco quoted me $2,500-3,000 and said they'd throw in the 3yr/50k warranty for free.

Go Honda quoted me $3,150 for a rebuilt transmission with 3yr/36k warranty.

Right now it's at an Acura dealership because the Acura Client Services said that if there's any chance of getting some good will help, I'd have to have them take a look. A55holes charge $112 just to pull codes! The service personnel weren't very sympathetic and said they doubt I'd get any help from Acura.

Are there any tips or secrets that I should know about when working with the dealership on getting some good will help to pay for the transmission? From what they told me, it sounds like the decision rests with someone at Acura Client Services, but when we called them they said there's nothing they could do and I'd have to talk to the dealer.

And as a final question, with so many people going through multiple transmissions, could the problem be that the fuel jet fix isn't working like it should be? Any chance that could get recalled at some point?

Thanks!!

fsttyms1

I got a free one at 119k, Many other members have had good luck, it all depends on the dealer. I know one guy got a good will only had to pay labor at 176k

The Oil Jet fix DOES solve a problem in the trans. It however does NOT fix nore was it designed to fix the 3rd gear problem. Not a chance.

webmastir

that's some luck right there!

thaprinze

Well, the service manager at the dealership I took it to isn't in until Tues, but I'm planning on dropping by bright and early on Tuesday morning with 2 dozen Krispy Kreme doughnuts! I hope they have mercy on me. I don't have the money to cover a full trany and I just realized I need new tires too. :o(

thinhthan

i toke apart a 3 shaft manual trans and stuff. what do you mean ill have to custom some tools to get the case open?