JMAL

hey guys i just sucked it up and bought Focal components (anyone have experience with these?) i want to mount the tweeters in the door maybe near the mem seat control. i wanted to see other peoples installs so i can get an idea.
thanks guys

NYZGREATST

JMAL

thats pretty much exactly what i want. btw that looks sick.

hows the imaging with the tweeters there?

JMAL

oh has anyone done it for the back doors too? i got 2 sets and i want to do the same in the back.

NYZGREATST

ermmm...... to tell ya the truth im not really that good in audio so i have no idea what you mean by imaging. i think it sounds pretty good though

JMAL

no doubt man, i cant see it being bad anyways. did you do components in the back too?

El pana/TL32

Can't we just use the CL tweeter in the side mirror plastic casing? Will that be a clean swap, or will it require some custom work?

NYZGREATST

nope i didnt, one of the experts on here told me not to cus it will disturb the sound stage or something like that

thAviEtbOi 37

the cl tweeter casing will not work. It is a different size and shape (one or the other)?

El pana/TL32

Ok, will it require major changes making it not worth the effort, or it's a matter of cutting some tabs or shaving some plastic?

oVerBoost

hm, i have mine mounted on the back pillars. not quite sure about the sound difference though since i'm never back there

JMAL

oh well. im gonna do it anyways. im pretty sure as long as you dont mount the tweeters in a place that it would be directly audible by the front passangers, the sound stage should be ok. ive been in cars with tweeters mounted behind the rear pass firing forward and also in car with the tweeters mounted in the seatbelt pillar. in both cases, it does mess up the imaging because you can hear the rear tweeters mixing with all the front speakers. (for those who dont get what i mean, sit in a jetta with the monsoon system in the previous gen or a prev gen 5 series were the tweeter is next to the rear door handle. recline the seat back and listen. you can hear the front speakers like normal but the rear tweeter is firing right at you and messes up the sense of fading and balance.) i could be wrong but thats what seems to make sense to me.

boku

iTrader: (1)

Mount the mids, trash the tweets. Cross them over at 60 - 250 with a steep rolloff and it'll sound awsome for the guys up front. If, for some reason, u care about the people in the rear DO NOT use those Focals they will kill ur stage; try something with a softer, less abrasive tweeter (Silk or fabric dome.)

JMAL

hmm good point. let me look at my options.

fsttyms1

Not mine but here is a idea

demolition_x

thats pretty cool. is that 4 inch components though? they look tiny.


i have mounted in my sail panels. no pics right now maybe tomorrow.

boku

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Ugly ass pilers; but 1 hell of a system!!

Dyn 3-way > Almost everything made by man including Utopia BE

dvsxlt247

HOLY SHIT, That fucken big ass speaker on the sides of the windshield frame looks tacky as fuck. WHO DID THAT?????

aaronnn

hhahaha probably sounds awesome, but that would be way too disturbing for me to even drive with that thing hanging off the side of the pillar..

JMAL

holy blind spot. i cant even imagine how awesome it may sound, but thats like wearing blinders.

boku

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That TL was on the cover of CA&E a couple years back.

TlsNavi03

iTrader: (1)

I don't care how GOOD that may sound. That is just straight HORRIBLE!!!!!

NSXNEXT

iTrader: (2)

Mount the tweeters as close as possible to the mids. Staging is very important. If you mount them too high, it will sound terrible.

JMAL

thanks. thats good advice. since i cant return the second set of focals, i am just going to mount the tweeter right next to the mid. another good thing, is that the cross overs for these have a 3 stage attenuator setting for the tweeters. i can tone the tweeters down in the rear to make it smoother.

NSXNEXT

iTrader: (2)

The other option is to have them mount them inside the door panel. Or have someone fabricate a bracket (if you have the room like mine. These are CDT Audio braxials and they come with that bracket to mount the tweeters.

JMAL

CDT huh, im sure they sound insane. i am doing all the install work myself, i did custom audio for a few years in college and highschool. the bracket is good idea, i have to see if when i install it, it clears the panel. did you do the same for the rear?

what gets me about the rear door speakers is that in cars that have the speakers there, most of the sounds is muffled by the rear passengers leg. i had an explorer a while ago and if there were 3 people in the back seat, you couldnt hear anything back there. i may just mount the speaker mid as normal and then find a way to mount the tweeter behind the stock grill but not over the mid.

drdamian

Has anyone ever tried using a waveguide in their cars... i had a set in my prelude... a nice 6 speaker competition system.. 2 USD waveguides, 2 10" JBL for mids, and 2 12" kicker subs all on zapco amps.. a good stealth system and the imaging was dynamite granted it was a 2 door car, but nevertheless you could do something like that and have a set of tweets and mids for the back. http://www.usdaudio.com/products/wg.php

brianlin87

iTrader: (1)

wow you just proved you know absolutely nothing about audio.

demolition_x

thanks bud

didn't look like they were 6.5's

guess im wrong...

c0v3rr1d3

iTrader: (4)

finnaly got around to taking some pics

here is how i have the tweeters mounted in the sail panels.. 5.25 in stock location

JMAL

what kind of components are those? thats my second fav location for tweeters, if i get to scared to cut the door panel thats where ill be too. looks good

demolition_x

thats exactly what i have. i broke one of the tabs and had to glue it back, royal pain in the ass.

c0v3rr1d3

iTrader: (4)

diamond audio m3's ..

A good 4 years old now, had them in my buick before hand. Concert sound 2 in the lesabre came with stock components in their doors, but that consisted of a speaker near the base of the door and tweeters mounted in the arm rest.

They way i have it here, the staging is a lot better, as would in the door panel also, and when i swapped systems over when i got this car, it was almost like getting a new system cause the sound was that much better in the tl.

JMAL

did you put those in with the factory deck?

my buddy makes fun of our radios, he has an es300 and his is hands down better then ours. it pisses me off. for a car aimed at a youthful audience they really didnt cover the audio section.

oVerBoost

here's my setup. probably not the best place for the rear tweets but it's too late to change it now haha.

JMAL

do you hear the rear tweeters from the front? thats my fear. my buddy had a similar setup in an suv and it was disorienting. but he also didnt know anything about audio or let anyone tune it for him.

my 2 sets of focal components came in today and im getting antsy waiting for the pioneer avic z1 to come out.

oVerBoost

no, i dont hear the tweeters from the front. if the sound does conflict, i could just swivel the tweeter to point another direction i guess.

JMAL

gotcha. lucky the cross overs for these have a level adjustement for the tweeter on them. i plan on mounting the tweeters inthe door panel in the rear. you have given me encouragement. many people including myself in the past frown on rear components. i figure since a lot of factory sound has rear comps, whynot try.

boku

iTrader: (1)

The "factory" doesn't give a SH!T about sound staging and imaging. It cares about selling cars. They want to hear things like "wow Mr. salesperson that stereo is loud" and "Omg that sure is a lot of bass". Hence were now stuck with 6x9's, 5x7's and rear components. all to give the test-driver the most bang for the buck with a lot less emphasis on the "bang" and more on the "buck".

PS: JMAL, if ur 1 of those people who, at home, turns the surround channels all the way up then u'll love rear components in your car

JMAL

well no, i am not that type of person at all. but i am trying to figure out a way to not have that sound that comes from the rear speaker muffled when there are 3 pass in the back seat. althought its not a major priority, since i am driving the car and i want it to sound best for me, i have been in the back seat of the tl and other cars that have speakers in the lowerpart of the door. lets just say, i dont like the fact that when its full in the back seat all you hear is the sub thumping behind your and what ever you can manage to hear from the front speakers.
the only reason i am tryin this is becuase these comps have a tweeter attenuator. i hope they sound good, and dont disturb the imaging too much. since i am going to mount the tweeter right next to the driver, its really going to be no diff then imaging of a 2way coaxial, except the tweeter will be further forward so that it is not blocked as easily. i hear you when you joke about the surround speaker people, that EXACTLY what my friend with the suv that i mention earlier is like. and i said it before, i was never into comp in the rear in the past, but after thinking about it, i want to try it. ill have all this install by the jun 24th nj meet. if you in the area, you can hear it. i dont know what to expect, maybe youll be surprised