P-TownTL35

Brought my car into MAP performance today in Plymouth, MN... 185.2 whp 178 trq... Mods include a ram air intake, headers, and a 2.5" catback to a 18x9x4 magnaflow muffler, with the stock y pipe and 2.25" piping to replace the rear mufflers... Just thought i would post for people who are curious.. also i raced a stock 01 TL and beat it pretty bad up to 80.. so i thought i would put up better numbers... but eh im happy with the cars performance, he also said the tranny was extremely confused on the dyno so he said that could have had some effect on the pulls... also i got 34.2 mpg driving the my cabin and back this past weekend which is 2 mpg better than i ever got stock .

CLtotheTL32

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How does a transmission become confused?

justnspace

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^searching for gears.

jjashaa

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not bad... they dyno'd my car like 11 times cuz the hood kept closing on them during the runs.

i got 196.39 whp and 181.68 tq with just stock airbox + K&N filter with lower airbox/resonator removed, XS-P headers and ATLP Catback exhaust.

P-TownTL35

he said every time the car was in 3rd gear under 3k rpm and floored it the car would downshift into second... and it made it hard to get an accurate reading

03tLsNBP

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so put it in sport shift? then it won't downshift from 3rd to 2nd.

Stephen00TL

I agree, however maybe if he wasnt going fast enough it would automatically drop down a gear in sport shift mode.

03tLsNBP

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^ you're right, it does do that around >15mph or so IIRC. I don't know what speed/RPM you start the dyno run at but I feel like it's fast enough that it shouldn't shift down.


edit: unless the resistance from the dyno rollers was great enough. then maybe it would shift down at say 20mph instead of 15.

P-TownTL35

yea im not too sure, i just went on a drive and was able to go into 3 around 15 and floored it, no down shifting happened so idk if it was the dyno or what but he just said my car was confused on it haha

P-TownTL35

Im also wondering if you think my numbers are kinda low for my mod's? considering my car does have 160k on it.. but i just put a new tranny in her 5k miles ago.. and the mods i had done were suppose to give me some decent numbers.. but if im making out numbers that make me exactly stock its kinda confusing.. especially when i raced that 2001 TL with 80k on her and beat it by about 3 cars up to 80.... I even have slight torque steer and my wheels chirp going into second when racing from a dig, all of which never happened prior to my mods.. so just curious!

Stephen00TL

The only thing your really gaining from us the headers, however the numbers seem like a stock tl p. the numbers will be off if not done in the gear where the ratios closest to 1 which is third gear

P-TownTL35

the pulls were done from third, but yea i figured

03tLsNBP

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i think you should get your money back from the dyno place lol. or at least have them do it again at no extra charge. the numbers do seem low.

justnspace

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Did you get a dyno sheet?
dynojet or mustang?

SAE corrected?

if the tuner/mechanic said the tranny was confused means that it might not have dyno'd in 3rd all the way.

Post up the graph!

assclown

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Damn, reminds me I need to get to the dyno since my Type-S swap (+6MT) is practially done sans IMRC.

This is my baseline


Maybe I can hit 200HP?

P-TownTL35

well it was a present from my buddy so it was free for me, it was mostly his curiousity over mine since i was smoking quite a few cars.. i could really care less, whatever car wins is the faster car, but hey im getting great mileage, im happy with my exhaust and performance, and rims and tein springs in the spring once i get that tax return ! haha

P-TownTL35

[QUOTE=assclown;14029328]Damn, reminds me I need to get to the dyno since my Type-S swap (+6MT) is practially done sans IMRC.

how complicated was the 6 speed swap? god when i had to drop a new tranny in not to long ago wanted to soo bad.. but i figured just put back in what was there..

assclown

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[QUOTE=P-TownTL35;14029340]It wasn't hard. I just ran into a lot of complications because I have bad luck. Mainly because I can't get timing right on an engine for the life of me.

P-TownTL35

He gave me the graph on a piece of paper, it was a dynojet im pretty sure, and ran 3rd till redline.. but i will post up the graph once i can get a copy machine to scan it for me!

eespinos93

Ok this is going to sound really really stupid. But doesn't the Non Type-S TL have 225hp stock and the Type-S has 260hp stock? How are they all pulling below 200hp? Sorry if this is a stupid question.

justnspace

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when manufactures measure horsepower, they measure CRANK horse power.

now, when the engine gets put into the car, there are lots of limiting factors that reduce the crank horse power.
for example, the transmission robs a few of those horsies.
and by the time it reaches to the ground, that 260 crank becomes about 210horse power to the wheels.

jjashaa

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in short...


drivetrain loss

P-TownTL35

alright guys i have the dyno sheet on my email... so wondering how you put pictures on this thread? as soon as i know i will post it up! thanks

justnspace

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^upload the picture to a photo sharing website, like photobucket.
then post image here

03tLsNBP

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hit "Go Advanced" and add an attachment.

P-TownTL35

here is the results of the dyno

justnspace

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interesting how the torque curve FOLLOWS the HP curve.

P-TownTL35

idk why but the torque line is very light, but its there, atleast im pretty sure thats the torque line.. look more closely at it, its at the top left.. its there.. just doesnt catch the eye

AZsilverTl

I knew that TLs were not very powerful, but those numbers are very depressing. When I had my 97 540i with 192k miles, factory quoted it at 282hp stock at the crank. It dynoed at 263 WHP and 28X LB/FT of torque with NO mods.

Acura quoting TL-S at 260HP at the crank, while car manages 15.3 at the drag strip is slow. For 97 540i MT recorded "Zero-to-sixty mph takes a ponycar-eating 5.6 seconds, with the quarter mile eclipsing in 14.0 seconds at 100.7 mph (source: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...i/viewall.html). With claimed HP difference of 22, it is rather pathetic showing for the TLs.

P-TownTL35

Well im glad you like your 540. BUT the 540 is in a completely different class than a TL. So its not even a good comparison. The 03 tl is in the same class as a 328 bmw.. and the TLs is in the class of the 330i bmw.. Compared to each of those cars i would easily take the TL. I love my car, and I am happy with the power she puts out along with the 34 mpg im getting on my trips.. and my car has 160k.

Skirmich

The BMW 540 is a Beast on its own with Merc C-Class cant quite compare it to the TL/TL-S
Also 22 HP is not to be Awed..
Did you compared the TQ Figures of that Monster BMW V8 vs the TL V6???
Not to Count that is MT vs AUTO too....


In the Words of the Great Carroll Shelby: "HP Sells Cars, Torque Wins Races"...

AZsilverTl

I would respectfully disagree about comparing TL-S with 3-series. I know that Acura branded them that way, but it is rubbish. Do you realize how long is second generation TL? It is 4.90 meters, E39 5 series is 4.775 meters...and e46 three series is 4.47 meters.

E39 and second gen TL were produced concurrently, and length and power wise should have been a competitors. The only reason that they were not, is price. E46 is a small car, very nimble and I would never compare it to TL. I also had a 2000 E46 323ci, and if anything I would compare it to RSX.

Last post on this from me. Pictures of both cars above, to avoid any Qs.

Skirmich

They could be Twins in Size and Form.
Powerwise?? They are Worlds Apart... V8 still?
Thats why Acura Compare it to the 3 Series = V6 vs I6 < Competition.

Lets do the Math here:
BMW 540i 1997 = V8
282HP and 310lb-tq

ACURA TL-S 02-03 (Closest in HP) = V6
260HP and 232lb-tq

BMW 330i 02-03 = V6
228HP and 221lb-tq

Now who are Closest to Another?

Now compare it to Same Year as TL-S
540i 2002-2003 = V8
290HP and 369lb-tq

P-TownTL35

Ok so you compare the rsx to a 323ci.. my guess is because they are both 4 cylinder engines.. exactly why you cant compare a V8 to the v6.. and price yea makes a huge difference.. especially when in 1997 you paid a minimum of what 53k for a 5 series? The TL is in the same class as a 3 series, and they both were in the 29 to low 30's thousands, they have always been advertised and compared to each other and i think there is a reason for that.

assclown

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the 323ci is not a 4 cyl

P-TownTL35

coulda swore it was.. oops

Skirmich

From 320 up they are All I6 (320 323 325 328 330).
From 318 down they are I4. (318, 316).

Normally in BMW own Numbers are
BMW 330 = "3" "30" (3 Series 3.0L) and the same for all.

There are Exceptions like the 540i which is: 4.4L V8 but still called 540, Perhaps 544 sounded wierd for them.

pickler

540i is a V8 and has nothing to do with a 3.2L acura TL. plus your car is a manual so it has 13-15% drivetrain loss vs automatic 20-25%. 6 speed CL-S put down 220-230 at the wheels easy and can keep up with the 540i to 1/4 mile @14.4s. IF size is what you compare cars with the 528i would have been a better match.

fsttyms1

i love paper racers


15.3 is slow for a type-s. I was able to run a best of 14.9s (averaged 15.1) with my tlp with nothing more than comptech mufflers and a K&N and modified stock intake.

TLer trash

Possibly to avoid any association with Volvo's 544 from the 1960's. It looked like a scaled down 40's Ford.