Who's got the fastest 2G on acurazine?
02-11-2009, 11:32 AM
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Just sent my 3.5 crank off to be lightened/knife edged. (hoping to take 6lbs + or so off of it) 
02-11-2009, 04:21 PM
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Why not? It uses stock mounting locations, cheaper to get, everything is almost identical other than the heads, pistons. Type-S has 1mm bigger intake valves and that extra butterfly for the intake manifold.
And who else has used the J35A4? Most 3.5 conversions I've seen or heard of consist of the J32A2 block with Ody/Pilot crank, rods.
For boost, forged rods, and pistons all day. I'd run 3.2, just my opinion.
Why would you need to bore when you could do an OEM rebuild with less headache and modification?
And who else has used the J35A4? Most 3.5 conversions I've seen or heard of consist of the J32A2 block with Ody/Pilot crank, rods.
For boost, forged rods, and pistons all day. I'd run 3.2, just my opinion.
Why would you need to bore when you could do an OEM rebuild with less headache and modification?
02-11-2009, 04:27 PM
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Im not going J35. Im using my stock block (J32A2) Its got better cyl linings. You dont need to bore any thing. The difference in displacement is in the crank. (basically a stroker) I wouldnt dare bore our motors. There isnt enough to safely do so without having stronger sleeves pressed in and having special plates made to keep some strength in the upper part.
02-11-2009, 04:32 PM
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LOL....bragging rights.
Well my opinion, I rather have a big stroke than a big bore.
Believe it or not, Kris has been my idol on this site since way back. I remember I was bone stock when I joined this site and the first thing I ever saw was the Type-S 6-speed conversion. Everything and anything I mostly learned stemmed from him and I did massive research and messing with motors here and there.
If it wasn't for him and the other OG's CleanCL, Type-R, Allout, Serge I wouldn't have what I got.
Would be a nice to have a Mentor vs student run though LMAO.
If it wasn't for him and the other OG's CleanCL, Type-R, Allout, Serge I wouldn't have what I got.
Would be a nice to have a Mentor vs student run though LMAO.
02-11-2009, 04:34 PM
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Im not going J35. Im using my stock block (J32A2) Its got better cyl linings. You dont need to bore any thing. The difference in displacement is in the crank. (basically a stroker) I wouldnt dare bore our motors. There isnt enough to safely do so without having stronger sleeves pressed in and having special plates made to keep some strength in the upper part.
If boost, forged internals, and sleeve, sleeve, sleeve. The works on the heads.
If I were to boost I'd keep the J32A2. My opinion.
02-11-2009, 04:36 PM
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You can still do teh 3.5 and boost. Id just keep the type-s pistons or the TL-P pistons in to allow for slightly lower compression (over using the RL pistons) You would still be able to boost quite a bit safely.
02-11-2009, 04:37 PM
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Believe it or not, Kris has been my idol on this site since way back. I remember I was bone stock when I joined this site and the first thing I ever saw was the Type-S 6-speed conversion. Everything and anything I mostly learned stemmed from him and I did massive research and messing with motors here and there.
If it wasn't for him and the other OG's CleanCL, Type-R, Allout, Serge I wouldn't have what I got.
Would be a nice to have a Mentor vs student run though LMAO.
If it wasn't for him and the other OG's CleanCL, Type-R, Allout, Serge I wouldn't have what I got.
Would be a nice to have a Mentor vs student run though LMAO.
mentor vs student run would be siickk..
at a point.. a student should pass his/her mentor.. haha.. i say DOO IT!!! DO IT!! DO IT!! haha..
02-11-2009, 04:38 PM
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LOL....bragging rights.
Well my opinion, I rather have a big stroke than a big bore.
Believe it or not, Kris has been my idol on this site since way back. I remember I was bone stock when I joined this site and the first thing I ever saw was the Type-S 6-speed conversion. Everything and anything I mostly learned stemmed from him and I did massive research and messing with motors here and there.
If it wasn't for him and the other OG's CleanCL, Type-R, Allout, Serge I wouldn't have what I got.
Would be a nice to have a Mentor vs student run though LMAO.
Well my opinion, I rather have a big stroke than a big bore.
Believe it or not, Kris has been my idol on this site since way back. I remember I was bone stock when I joined this site and the first thing I ever saw was the Type-S 6-speed conversion. Everything and anything I mostly learned stemmed from him and I did massive research and messing with motors here and there.
If it wasn't for him and the other OG's CleanCL, Type-R, Allout, Serge I wouldn't have what I got.
Would be a nice to have a Mentor vs student run though LMAO.
02-11-2009, 04:41 PM
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02-11-2009, 04:41 PM
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when i was lurking, i remember seeing that.. first thing i saw.. thats when i got into my TL.. haha.. no more its just a car thing.. haha but sseriously...
mentor vs student run would be siickk..
at a point.. a student should pass his/her mentor.. haha.. i say DOO IT!!! DO IT!! DO IT!! haha..
mentor vs student run would be siickk..
at a point.. a student should pass his/her mentor.. haha.. i say DOO IT!!! DO IT!! DO IT!! haha..
02-11-2009, 04:42 PM
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Not alot of people agree. Wish I had to funds to have this tested.
I am still planning to do the M90 supercharger with the 3.5 and RL Pistons. Won't be running crazy lbs 'o boost but enough to daily drive and still haul ass in. Tuning will be the issue here.
Guys looking into doing major work and have a TL-P? Build it, get better flowing heads and boost!
02-11-2009, 04:43 PM
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Believe it or not, Kris has been my idol on this site since way back. I remember I was bone stock when I joined this site and the first thing I ever saw was the Type-S 6-speed conversion. Everything and anything I mostly learned stemmed from him and I did massive research and messing with motors here and there.
If it wasn't for him and the other OG's CleanCL, Type-R, Allout, Serge I wouldn't have what I got.
Would be a nice to have a Mentor vs student run though LMAO.
If it wasn't for him and the other OG's CleanCL, Type-R, Allout, Serge I wouldn't have what I got.
Would be a nice to have a Mentor vs student run though LMAO.
a salute to our Mega Mod
02-11-2009, 11:18 PM
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How did I miss this thread? Sorry guys been slacking. I'm the slowest TL out there right now, why? because the shit don't run because outdated emissions.
Haven't dyno'd, nor raced it at the track yet. Basically building it for road racing vs straights.
Joe is a tool and a joke who seems to never have his car running right. Count him if you want.
J83 is damn fast and Blk2001Tlon19s was fast.
As of right now, I say Rajca will give a few of us here in VA a hell of a run for our money.
also the fastest 2G....SPoolinspOON
Haven't dyno'd, nor raced it at the track yet. Basically building it for road racing vs straights.
Joe is a tool and a joke who seems to never have his car running right. Count him if you want.
J83 is damn fast and Blk2001Tlon19s was fast.
As of right now, I say Rajca will give a few of us here in VA a hell of a run for our money.
also the fastest 2G....SPoolinspOON
hell of a run, huhu? come the end of this year i will have something that will blow your minds, (looks and power) enough said
dont know if i want my car to be on a course track or the 1/4 miile :shurg:
02-12-2009, 06:58 AM
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Not really. A 10 second STREET driven car (TL/CL) is probably borderline pipe dreams.
You can just about make anything run 10s at the track-the big question is- how much money do you have to spend? It takes a LOT more than transmission, crank, rods and a power adder. Cylinder heads, camshafts, valve train, suspension, weight, tires, chassis, the driver, etc etc. all play a major role in how fast a car can go.
Far as JCharged with stroke/bore comparison-for a 3.2 or 3.5 v6 with a supercharged engine- longer stroke will give you better results. A S/C engine will make more torque at lower RPM-and having longer stroke you enhance that ability. The only drawback is RPM limit.
On the other hand-larger bore with a shorter stroke you can spin the engine higher, and this works well in turbo applications (in most cases turbos need higher RPM to achieve maximum boost).
The main thing is cramming as much air in the cylinder as possible-and having parts inside the engine that can handle it.
Personally-Im a big fan of nitrous. Best bang for your buck. The only time you have to cater to it is when youre using it, unlike FI.
You can just about make anything run 10s at the track-the big question is- how much money do you have to spend? It takes a LOT more than transmission, crank, rods and a power adder. Cylinder heads, camshafts, valve train, suspension, weight, tires, chassis, the driver, etc etc. all play a major role in how fast a car can go.
Far as JCharged with stroke/bore comparison-for a 3.2 or 3.5 v6 with a supercharged engine- longer stroke will give you better results. A S/C engine will make more torque at lower RPM-and having longer stroke you enhance that ability. The only drawback is RPM limit.
On the other hand-larger bore with a shorter stroke you can spin the engine higher, and this works well in turbo applications (in most cases turbos need higher RPM to achieve maximum boost).
The main thing is cramming as much air in the cylinder as possible-and having parts inside the engine that can handle it.
Personally-Im a big fan of nitrous. Best bang for your buck. The only time you have to cater to it is when youre using it, unlike FI.
02-12-2009, 08:45 AM
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I dont remember the exact #'s but it was 13.8x @103.xx (55 deg night) was my best last time i went. I have bad axle hop that i know i could take a few tenths off or so if i could get rid of it.
02-12-2009, 08:50 AM
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Not really. A 10 second STREET driven car (TL/CL) is probably borderline pipe dreams.
You can just about make anything run 10s at the track-the big question is- how much money do you have to spend? It takes a LOT more than transmission, crank, rods and a power adder. Cylinder heads, camshafts, valve train, suspension, weight, tires, chassis, the driver, etc etc. all play a major role in how fast a car can go.
Far as JCharged with stroke/bore comparison-for a 3.2 or 3.5 v6 with a supercharged engine- longer stroke will give you better results. A S/C engine will make more torque at lower RPM-and having longer stroke you enhance that ability. The only drawback is RPM limit.
On the other hand-larger bore with a shorter stroke you can spin the engine higher, and this works well in turbo applications (in most cases turbos need higher RPM to achieve maximum boost).
The main thing is cramming as much air in the cylinder as possible-and having parts inside the engine that can handle it.
Personally-Im a big fan of nitrous. Best bang for your buck. The only time you have to cater to it is when youre using it, unlike FI.
You can just about make anything run 10s at the track-the big question is- how much money do you have to spend? It takes a LOT more than transmission, crank, rods and a power adder. Cylinder heads, camshafts, valve train, suspension, weight, tires, chassis, the driver, etc etc. all play a major role in how fast a car can go.
Far as JCharged with stroke/bore comparison-for a 3.2 or 3.5 v6 with a supercharged engine- longer stroke will give you better results. A S/C engine will make more torque at lower RPM-and having longer stroke you enhance that ability. The only drawback is RPM limit.
On the other hand-larger bore with a shorter stroke you can spin the engine higher, and this works well in turbo applications (in most cases turbos need higher RPM to achieve maximum boost).
The main thing is cramming as much air in the cylinder as possible-and having parts inside the engine that can handle it.
Personally-Im a big fan of nitrous. Best bang for your buck. The only time you have to cater to it is when youre using it, unlike FI.
This is one CL guy who is turning his old CL into a NHRA drag car. That thing WILL be fast.
02-12-2009, 09:05 AM
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Not really. A 10 second STREET driven car (TL/CL) is probably borderline pipe dreams.
You can just about make anything run 10s at the track-the big question is- how much money do you have to spend? It takes a LOT more than transmission, crank, rods and a power adder. Cylinder heads, camshafts, valve train, suspension, weight, tires, chassis, the driver, etc etc. all play a major role in how fast a car can go.
Far as JCharged with stroke/bore comparison-for a 3.2 or 3.5 v6 with a supercharged engine- longer stroke will give you better results. A S/C engine will make more torque at lower RPM-and having longer stroke you enhance that ability. The only drawback is RPM limit.
On the other hand-larger bore with a shorter stroke you can spin the engine higher, and this works well in turbo applications (in most cases turbos need higher RPM to achieve maximum boost).
The main thing is cramming as much air in the cylinder as possible-and having parts inside the engine that can handle it.
Personally-Im a big fan of nitrous. Best bang for your buck. The only time you have to cater to it is when youre using it, unlike FI.
You can just about make anything run 10s at the track-the big question is- how much money do you have to spend? It takes a LOT more than transmission, crank, rods and a power adder. Cylinder heads, camshafts, valve train, suspension, weight, tires, chassis, the driver, etc etc. all play a major role in how fast a car can go.
Far as JCharged with stroke/bore comparison-for a 3.2 or 3.5 v6 with a supercharged engine- longer stroke will give you better results. A S/C engine will make more torque at lower RPM-and having longer stroke you enhance that ability. The only drawback is RPM limit.
On the other hand-larger bore with a shorter stroke you can spin the engine higher, and this works well in turbo applications (in most cases turbos need higher RPM to achieve maximum boost).
The main thing is cramming as much air in the cylinder as possible-and having parts inside the engine that can handle it.
Personally-Im a big fan of nitrous. Best bang for your buck. The only time you have to cater to it is when youre using it, unlike FI.
Now, Longer rods will stay at TDC for alot longer. Good thing about that is you will stay at peak cylinder pressure which in turn = more power but it could increase the chance of pre-ignition as well. You can also rev to moon if built right. (Just an expression)
3.2 Longer rods, 3.5 shorter rods.
That's why they have balancing an engine. Unfortunately, I don't have those funds to be doing extensive motor work.
Nitrous is alright, seems fun but I don't want to worry about freeze drying my valves...seen it first hand on one too many vehicles. If I had the money I sure would go all out and boost + nitrous + everything and buy a new car.
02-12-2009, 09:30 AM
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02-12-2009, 10:09 AM
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I'll try these out and see how bad wheel hop really is. If it's as bad as I think it is, I might have to pick up the torque dampeners and have a traction bar made.
02-12-2009, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
I have bad axle hop that i know i could take a few tenths off or so if i could get rid of it.
JCharged I think were talking about two different things. Longer rods wont change your stroke. The only way to change overall stroke is with the crank.
I do see what youre saying with utilizing long of a rod as possible-thats what I did back when I had my "street car" and it nets good results regardless N/A FI or Nitrous.
Ive sprayed the dog piss out of several engines, and have been around people that have as well-what is this "freezing valves" youre referring to? Ive seen ring lands lifted, detonation due to incorrect fuel mixture (cracked heads, crank walk, rods twisted), and nitrous backfires but never heard of that.
AMGala-you would be surprised to see some of the cars Ive seen people turn into drag cars...like I said all it takes is money.
02-12-2009, 11:17 PM
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with a 65shot dry, no tune, intake resonator removed, k&n drop in filter, and spare tire removed, stock michelins, i ran a 14.3. traction was a big problem.
im gonna do the pollyfilling thing to my stock ones that i have laying around. then when i hit my all time high hp goal ill get some solid mounts made.
i might not hit 10s but its gonna be really close. putting the power down on a fwd car is hard
im gonna do the pollyfilling thing to my stock ones that i have laying around. then when i hit my all time high hp goal ill get some solid mounts made.
i might not hit 10s but its gonna be really close. putting the power down on a fwd car is hard