jumbosizeme79

i had the same problem as you, but my friends brother whos an amazing driver gave me some pointers in his 3.5 altima since i drive an auto... anyways

when dropping the cluth dont gas it all the way.. cause your wheels will be spinning even faster and never have time to catch grip...

instead kinda i guess hit the gas as if you were reving your engine, you kno kinda in and out... i kno this is pretty vague pretty hard to explain
this give the tires some time to catch grip.. it takes some practice but itll deff help

MurkyRiversTL

so feather the throttle.... ive heard of that before, but never applied it. Ill try today on my way home.

either way, i do need new struts, and I need new mounts.

fsttyms1

The problem is ANY spinning causes it. Its not really a driver issue. Its a suspension/mount issue. Replacing the bad mounts is a great start. Better suspension will really help. Better engine dampers will help too (Mike, im guessing yours broke due to the front mount being bad. Mine is so mad my CAI has actually dented a hood brace from it hitting it so much

Seikoja

either feather it or just dont come off the gas at all. just dont do a third to second gear power shift

fsttyms1

He shouldnt need to feather it. If he gets stuff fixed he will be able to really get on it without that happening and will allow him to accelerate with some spinning without hop. (like i said mine really went away with the lowering springs) it has come back since my mount in front is shot. Get new shocks and mounts and you will see a vast improvement.

MurkyRiversTL

holy jesus..... yeah. new mounts are a must. theres gotta be a way to stop this with other parts. I mean, would it be a good idea to put like 10 engine dampers on lol....

Or what about stiff braces.

LukeaTron

Bringing your tires right up to the traction limit is an art form. Dropping the clutch and mashing the gas is not going you to do you any favors in that department. Learn to feel what your car is doing and react to it. When your wheels are just starting to break free you need ease off the gas or work the clutch a little more.

I can't explain how to do it because I honestly haven't thought about it in a long, long time. My legs just do what they need to do without my conscious intervention. It sounds like your taking the bucking bronco approach to driving (wind it up and hold on). You need to learn how to get your car to do what you want it to instead of just hoping it will do it on its own.

You also need to clutch issues worked out. It's flat out impossible to get a good quick launch without precise clutch control.

Seikoja

another way could be to try 17's instead of ur stocks that will make a big difference in traction

fsttyms1

Its not so much off the line thats the problem It happens when moving as well. I can get the perfect launch roll into the throttle once VTEC engages its wheel hop city! Feathering it looses time, there simply isnt enough gear in first to really get on it with that happening and to feather to keep it from happening. I get wheel hop in 2nd gear as well. Only real option till its fixed is 3/4 throttle till 2nd.Clutch work has nothing to do with wheel hop when doing 20 and because of the bad suspension and mounts it causes this to happen. With better parts he wont get it.

MurkyRiversTL

I would think that bigger rims would just be heavier. and it would be harder to get a better start......

my thoughts at least

fsttyms1

I have it with 18s

MurkyRiversTL

once i get new parts (better parts) me and the Tl are gonna sit and have a little talk. No longer will she be hopping around, I know shes excited about the new heart and wants to jump for joy but the shits annoying......


Hopefully shell listen

fsttyms1

Not if they are good wheels. My 18s are the same weight as the stockers.

fsttyms1

Oh she will. You will be in love all over again with her when she lays down all the power without hop. Ive been there and had that. I need it again.

Seikoja

na the weigh around the same cause i have on the newer tl stocks and the weight feel lighter to me than the 16's i took off. bigger rims dont always mean more weight

MurkyRiversTL

hahahah its like crack..... not that Ive ever done it, I jsut heard.

ever since the car was done its had hop. so I will get to enjoy a whole new car.....


YAY!!!!!

how much are the innovative mounts anyway?

LukeaTron

Sure, 10 bandaids will fix up a gushing jugular just fine.

Bight the bullet and put in the new mounts. If you try to compensate by stiffening up other things but the engine is still bouncing all over the place, you'll just end up breaking things like axles or differential bearings.

MurkyRiversTL

I agree but in most cases they are heavier.

unless you get good rims like Kris said

fsttyms1

?? havent looked at the pricing since it went to a group buy

MurkyRiversTL

I meant in conjunction with new mounts.

lol thats a pretty good analogy though

Seikoja

another i remembered from a friend's car it could be cheap tires. cheap tires will wheel hop all day

fsttyms1

I think honda should have taken a page from GM and but upper Dog Bone style dampers on. Having all that power being held from the bottom of the motor is asking for alot of movement and twisting.

Seikoja

that too and i just believe all tl's should be rear wheel drive. that would fix most of our mount problems and tranny problems

fsttyms1

That would be nice

MurkyRiversTL

yeah and if grandma had balls shed be grandpa

shoulda coulda woulda but ts not, so we gotta make the best of it.

would it be possible to fabricate a something to prevent as much stress on the mounts

2K3_TLs

but we'd probably have another set of problems to deal with.

Seikoja

lol grass always look greener on the other side.

Seikoja

you can always go getto and get the liquid polyurethane and put in the holes of the stock mounts and create your own solid mounts. just giving options. wouldnt want to be in that car at idle thou

MurkyRiversTL

well at idle the innovative mounts cause vibration too, but sometimes you have to sacrifice to get better performance, like droning from exhaust(even though there isnt much performance increase there) or from headers.

6MTUA5

iTrader: (2)

+1 For the Innovative mounts

I got mine in the first batch and didn't have fitment problems. I did have some real bad cabin vibrations, but that was just because I didn't have my two transmission mounts on. Once I put those on, the vibrations subsided and the ride is smooth again. The group buy had them for $300 but I just missed out on them and got them for full price, $330. You can contact Innovative directly and get them from them or you can wait around and see Josh gets another Group Buy together.

Seikoja

its all about what the customer wants and can live w. i grew up a little so decide to stop spendin money on racing my tl and start a project car on the side. time for rims and adding a dvd/navi head unit etc. time to pimp my ride.

MurkyRiversTL

I dont race...... ok sometimes, but that doesnt meant that I havent grown up. Some of us arent fortunate enough to have a project car, and even if I did, I would still want to make the TL faster.

Its fun seeing people shocked being killed by a sedan with car seats lol/

Seikoja

ur a man of my own heart loves sleepers too man when i finish w the project ill show u a nice sleeper

AZP-TL

That's why the TL is classed as performance-luxury.

2K3_TLs

And we are trying to squeeze as much performance out of our cars as we can. Why? Because the possibilities are there. If Acura didnt want us to mod our TLs, they would have made it impossible to do so.

But they didnt, and thats why we're doing what we're doing.

I dont know if you were criticizing us for modding our cars, but it felt that way to me.

AZP-TL

Not really criticizing you guys, it just seems silly to complain about wheel hop when you're trying to race with a FWD luxury car.

n1njai

iTrader: (3)

TL- S 6MT...must be a beast....dyno yet?

MurkyRiversTL

so it must seem silly when guys complain about broken motor mounts cause its a luxury car. It must also seem silly that guys complain about not having enough performance parts because its a luxury car.

It must seem silly that they made a Sport model of the TL since its a luxury car, those damn acura people why would they do that to a luxury car.

Im not complaining really, Im trying to figure out a way to eliminate it. but you wouldnt understand cause........ well...... you dont have a manual transmission TL.

MurkyRiversTL

No not yet.... I want to but its going to put down the same numbers as a Cl-S 6 with the same mods.

Not sure if its worth it....... it would be fun just to see what I put down though. Not really any local shops out here.

Maybe after I fix all these little quirks, me and frank can go dyno our cars.

Seikoja

u cant knock a guy for wanted his car to out perform other cars on the road. your name on the title u can do what ever u want to it. this forum is here for us to explore idea from wheel hop to a lift kit for 24's not recomendin that. point is its a exchange of ideas and opinions so we cant put any tl member down for what ever they want to do