Wow ... the 2003 TL .... I think the designed TL will have the following:

1. Smart Cruise
2. 300 Hp
3. 6 speed Manual or 6 speed Auto tranny
4. 3D navigation system
5. Dual automatic climate control
6. 7 speaker bose system with MP3 player

What else ? who knows .... :p

 

It'll also come with a special anti-terrorism edition which incl:

Bulletproof sheetmetal and glass
Front grill mounted gatling guns
and roof mounted rocket launcher.
....
Did I forget to mention the automatic BJ machine located under the dash? That along with the previously mentioned 3D nav will be optional of course!

 

Dear Mr. mikegunnz

The 2003 TL doesnt need all that cause you already have it in your 2002 TL.

Have fun with all that protection.

:p

 

Did I get screwd?
I didn't get the BJ machine!

 

Ofcourse you didnt .... you dont have to state the obvious !! Sheesh :p

 

Since we're on the subject,
I noticed my gatling wouldn't spin the other day when I was shooting of rounds at passing cars.
Ya think its the gun or just a short in the steering wheel mounted controls.
Anyone have the same problems?

 

The car seems to be perfect ... there is probably something wrong with the driver .... He keeps looking under the dash ... bragging about some missing BJ machine ....

 

:p Anways I think that the 2003 TL will be better in many prospects. It will need the above mods to survive in this competetive market.

 

To survive? I hardly think so. Even with the new Altima, Maxima, I35, 3-series BMW, C-Class Mercedes, IS300, etc., there is still NO other car that provides the same levels of luxury and performance for the price.

I'm not saying the TL is perfect, but I do think it's better than ANYTHING else out there for the price.

 

Can they make a V6 with 300hp? Maybe they can use that "W"engine technology that the VW people came up with. Have y'all heard about that "W" engine? They are using them in VW Passats and Audi A8's.

 

NSX has the same engine as us but the output is 290HP. What's another 10HP, right? The S2000 has a 2.0, granted I4, and the output is 240 HP.

 

What is a W engine ? Tell us about it. If our 2002 TL can kick passat's W engine butt ... then probably we dont need to switch to W engine for the 2003 TL. :p

 

The "W" engine is a newly developed engine for VW.
It will come in 8,12,& 16 cylinder versions. (16cylinder is still up in the air)
it somewhat complex but basically the 8cyl is two twin V4 engines mated together, and the 12cyl is two twin V6 engines mated together.
The W8 is actually going to be in the upcoming Passat but only produces 270hp, so its really not that big a deal in terms of power output.

 

This may sound like a stupid question ..

But when you say two twin V6 ... isnt that like

two twin = 2 times 2 = 4

So two twin V6 = 4 times V6 = V24 ?

Sorry ... but two twin V6 sounds like some serious alien technology :p

 

Would those really be twin V6's, or maybe twin inline 6's? I don't see how you could fit 2 V6 engines in any standard engine compartment.

 

First tell me the difference between a V6 and a twin V6.

Then you can tell me what exactly a two twin V6 is !!

 

All right, you guy's know of the VW's VR6 engine? If you remember, this engine is a V-6 layout but with a very narrow V angle. The V is so close to each other that the engine only has one head which covers both bank's. Now they designed this with packaging (read; Compact) in mind. Now, they take this engineering philosophy to a new level! Imagine chopping off two piston's at one end, you wind up with a small V-4. Now, take two of these motors and make them share one crank. Think about it, now it forms a W configuration and it still only has two head's. It's pretty interesting design. Now the W-12, just put two VW V-6's together and voila! Keep in mind in isn't as simple as putting together two of their existing engines. Sh1t loads' R&D went into making these. Ya undastand?

 

I understood what a W engine is but ...

1. tell me the difference between a V6 and a twin V6.

2. Then you can tell me what exactly a two twin V6 is !!

 

WTF are you talking about?! WTF is a twin V-6? You confusing the term Twin Turbo? Or maybe the W-12 VW motor that I just mentioned! If you like, you can call it a twin V-6!!

 

This is an earlier post by mikegunnz :

"The "W" engine is a newly developed engine for VW.
It will come in 8,12,& 16 cylinder versions. (16cylinder is still up in the air)
it somewhat complex but basically the 8cyl is two twin V4 engines mated together, and the 12cyl is two twin V6 engines mated together.
The W8 is actually going to be in the upcoming Passat but only produces 270hp, so its really not that big a deal in terms of power output."

Read that he mentions two twin V6 above. Thats why I was asking WTF two twin V6 is ?

Before asking me WTF I am talking about you should make a little effort of reading all the earlier posts.
:o

 

The W engines are smaller so they can have tighter packaging excellent point.
And though the engine may INITALLY only produce 270hp it will have lot's of low end torque and more valves equals smoother engines. I am sure the few W-8 Passat owners will not be racing anyone at the stoplight.

I am lost at Piech's thinking, moving VW more upscale when he also has AUDI. I know diff. stroke for diff. folks but the W8 Passat will sell as well as the Lincoln LS V-8 in the states, yes it is one of the cheaper V-8's to own (and many people insist on V-8's) but in here when you think VW you think cute yellow bugs and it is not gonna fly.

BTW the W-16 in the Bugatti is, you guessed it 2 W-8's! (good for almost 1000 hp) coming to a Sultan near you.

The Aston Martin V-12 are 2 V-6 Ford Duratec engines....

If the new TL keep it's HUGE price edge against the competition it will continue to sell like hotcakes but if Acura moves the price up it will face stiffer competition and less sales success.

 

Hey snapperhead, you don't think me taking my time to type out my original explanation had not a ounce of effort to try to help you guy's understand? I'm sorry I wasted my time.

Mikegunnz's use of the term twin V-6 makes no sense to me. I didn't think anybody was questioning that. (I just put it in the same realm as a typo when I read it). I'm not sure if it's some VW copyrighted tech name or what (doub't it) but I've never heard of it..... WTF wasn't meant as any disrespect to you anyway. But, ah well. I guess some people like being ignorant.

 

the W engines have large displacement, so I doubt that Honda would use anything like that.
Also, the TL is known for it's bang for the buck. So I also doubt that they'll be adding too much gadgets to it.
If the 02 CL gets a 6-spd, then I'm sure the 03 TL will offer it too.
Also Honda has V-TEC, so for them to spend alot of research to introduce a bi-turbo would be...CRAZY!
just my $0.02.

 

yeah Honda has already invested in the new V-tec, like in the RSX

 

Large displacement? The W-8 is 4.0 liters... that isn't that big... especially considering the torque numbers that it puts out and the really compact packaging. But then I consider a large displacement to be somewhere around 5.7 liters.

 

What's a snapperhead?

Is that a bad thing?

 

Have the dealer take a look at it.

 

you have to remember...this is Honda...the largest displacement they have currently is 3.5L.... probably the largest they've ever had...

 

This post is retarded. I betcha dollar that the W technology doesn't go very far. Who the hell is going to buy an 8 cylinder passat that doesn't even have very good performance numbers for the money they are asking when the v6 is just fine. I smell a marketing f-up.

 

This post is retarded, so at an attempt to get it back on track I think the 2003 TL-S will offer the following....

6-speed manual as an option.

That's it, no other changes, just like the 2001 to 2002 CL-S. When the new TL comes out in 2004, it'll be a different story, but we won't find anything out about that for a least 12-18 months.....

 

TUFF GONG & VTechbuddy:

When I said twin V6 and V4 is was a typo on my part.
I meant two two v6.
Vtech, u need to stop being so anal.

 

In principle I agree, but I think there might be other minor changes like the addition and deletion of some colors, maybe the relocating of a switch or two, and hopefully addressing some of the more common problems that keep cropping up on this board. I wouldn't be surprised to find a new wheel design, either.

 

I could not agree more.

 

Furthermore....

I expect to see the following in 2003

1. new wheels
2. better breaks
3. maybe a few improved interior materials
4. interesting new color options
5. stereo changes
6. next generation navi functions

But the car will not change drastically until 2004 model, and we won't see that for at least 12 more months.

 

I agree about the sound system... it's NOT bad... but if the MDX gets a 7 speaker syetem... I think the TL/CL should too. I've also read in several mags complaining about the breaks... Personally I don't any problems with it... Stick shift as well, though I'm totally happy with the "sportshifter" I have. I drove a stick for 6 years... (a truck), and I don't miss it at all.

 

Well I already hear that the 2003 Accord is going to be released as an early 2003 model.... maybe around May or something... not sure on this though. If this is the case... the 2003 TL might be totally different, or they will leave it the same for the 2003 model year and release a completely different car as an early 2004 model. I hope that made any sense.

I expect to see a displacement upgrade from 3.2 to 3.5 liters making around 290 - 320 hp.... I believe the Accord is rumored to have a 3.2 pushing out around 240 hp. It will be slightly longer and wider... but by a mininimal amount. Structural integrity will be increased... but that is all part of the new design. For the interior... better materials and the addition of a tilt telescoping steering wheel.

 

Screw the hi revving crap! Give me a 3.5L stroker with 35 ft-lbs more torque!

I say the '03 will have a 3.5 L engine.

 

Not sure what year but I have seen new 2 tl-p's with a diff wheel design, they have the same finish as the tl-s but are 16" and the 5 spokes twist.

 

The only thing that I really wish could have been included in the car as standard or an option was an automatic rear sunshade. Those things are badazz, and would protect the rear seats from the sun. Other things, such as wheels and stereo would be nice but you could always upgrade that stuff. Does anybody know if you can add an aftermarket sunshade. I know about the inspire one, but i want an auto one.

 

It could use a few things that would seem more relistic for 2003 and make it in line with others in the market.


Dual automatic climate control
Auto for all windows and sun roof
pinch control on all the windows
Power Rear sunshade
Upgraded sound system
Rear power outlet
Touch-up on design again, this time include the rear.

These would be inline in how acura does things.

Things I don't see for the TL Yet:

300 plus HP
RWD
6 spd Stick
6spd auto, why? %spd is good, when most still use a 4spd for auto.

They already have one for the CL, though not in production. The CL will get the stick before the TL if it even does.