Black3.2

it this product any different than the hyper ground system or ground wire?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWN%3AIT

SatinSilverTypS

iTrader: (1)

No different. I wouldn't even bother with it. I've talked to some people in the Subaru forums who swear on their kidneys they've gotten +10hp from regrounding the car, but as much as I *know* it's possible (I'm an electrical engineer by trade) I also know that honda/subaru/whoever would have had to do a VERY crappy job grounding the engine in the first place.

I would leave it alone. If you really want to try it then go and get some welding cable and put battery lugs on it. Then you'll have a pretty solid ground wire.

SSTS

Black3.2

thanks

moahdriven

voltage stabilizer is different than hyper ground system. Although they both improve electrical efficiency and things such as startup and idle, they have their differences. Search "Acura TL", ive seen some items that are voltage stabilizers and hyper ground kits in a pckage for like 50 bux.

personally i think ill eventually buy one of those ones from ebay like the one in ur link, cheap and easy to install. it cant hurt.

ou sig

if I do anything, Ill just replace all the grounds in the engine with my own wire. You can do it yourself very easy - just like the Hyper ground system for way less money. Just buy some good 4 guage wire (ground for the battery) and 8 guage would be plenty for the rest of the grounding points. After looking at the stock wires - 84k miles has taken its toll on them - they look like crap with rust all on the wires, and the weird part is there is a good bit of wire exposed, just asking for a bad connection from rust

sounds like a spring DIY for me!

moahdriven

u can always buy a kit off ebay for around 30 bux, i might do that

Black3.2

ive decided that i would buy it and try it out. it was only 40 something with it being shipped. guess i will see if it really works once i get it.

patrick

Check A&J Racing's website on the voltage stabilizer that they are selling
(scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page):

http://www.aj-racing.com/product.php...er&company=T1R

Description reads:
"The T1R V-Power Voltage Stabilizer regulates the voltage of the car's electrical system, providing constant voltage at all times. Normally the electrical system's voltage will fluctuate under acceleration resulting in power loss and rough power delivery. The Voltage Stabilizer eliminates this voltage fluctuation, providing a constant voltage, thereby smoothening power delivery and optimizing power. Low rpm performance is improved noticeably, with improved response, acceleration, and smoothness. Fuel economy is also improved, especially for city driving conditions. This product also features a ON/OFF switch for safer installations. Avialble in 4 colours i.e. red, blue , silver & gold."

So it's clearly not a grounding system. I've spoken with the owner of A&J and he swears up and down that this thing works. He even volunteered to let me take this thing out for a spin (takes only like 5 minutes to install) to check it out. Haven't had the time to take up on his offer tho. I've gone through our local import scene website (Revscene.net), a few members who have gotten this voltage stabilizer from A&J all claim that their cars is more smooth when driving with better gas mileage. So it is possible this thing works, I'm still debating if this is a worthwhile mod to do or not.

njzprettyboy

patrick, that thing seems similar to the unit apexi makes, that is like $275 or so..

patrick

really? in that case the voltage stabilizer from A&J is a bargain then! better go pick one up and report back with your results!

fixedtl

Yea i have one on my car you cant really feel the extra power just that starting was easier and smoother. I got a different one from the link. If anyone is interest i have a buddy that can get those or other one.

patrick

did you get better gas mileage too?

fixedtl

it not really noticeable on the mileage

Black3.2

if apexi makes it or 200 something and if a&j makes it for 100 something and ebay sells it for 40 something. would it be worth it to spend more money and get a name brand thing or save money and get a generic brand that basically does the same thing? i just might say fu*k it and try the cheap one and if that doesnt work i will wait for your response pat about a&j's stabilizer

SatinSilverTypS

iTrader: (1)

hmm, my mistake. apparently not the same thing. although i still call BS, because all the voltage stabilization is done by the voltage regulator in the alternator. if anyone has any data saying this thing does something different though, i am open to learning.

SSTS

patrick

The stabilizer that A&J sells is a name brand (made in Japan I believe - when I looked at the packaging, there was Japanese words on it). T1R (short for Type 1 Racing) makes exhaust and suspension components as well (not for our TLs though).

IMHO, the $40 EBay thing is probably a scam, and I would stay away from it. Apexi's stabilizer is probably the same thing as T1R's (I'm assuming, I haven't seen the product description for Apexi's stabilizer), and A&J is a well known Internet vendor that sells JDM stuff. If we just look at cost, then it makes sense to go with the A&J stabilizer. But if you want to go with which brand is more famous (sorta like comparing Comptech vs OBX), then I would say Apexi but you pay $100 more. But T1R brand ain't crappy either, I've heard good things about them too. So it all depends on you. But in the next couple of weeks (if I got time), I'm gonna take up on A&J's offer to test the product and see if it really is worth getting.

patrick

Here's a direct quote on the dyno and the details on the voltage stabilizer that was posted on revscene.net:

Some dyno's that G2tegiin posted on club-integra.net:

Setup: Turbo H22A w/9.5psi boost
red line = baseline run with voltage stabablizer off
blue line = run with voltage stabalizer on
purple line = 2nd run with voltage stabalizer on (2nd run just to reconfirm)

gains in the midrange:
25.9wheel torque gain @ 4500rpm
and 24wheel hp gain @ 5000rpm

Peak power gains:
22.3wheel torque gain
11whp gain

patrick

Dyno for a stock B16:

patrick

Let me try this again. Dyno for turbo H22A:

patrick

I suck at linking. OK, here's the link to the dyno pics:

H22A Turbo dyno:
http://www.v6performance.net/gallery...sort=1&cat=500

Stock B16 dyno:
http://www.v6performance.net/gallery...sort=1&cat=500

ResidualFreedom

A&J also has a

Max Power Fuel Ionizer
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The T1R Max Power Fuel Ionizer places two heat resistant Neodymium magnets around the fuel line to ionize the fuel before it reaches the engine. The magnets decompose the gasoline molecules into ultrafine particles. The gasoline particles are more evenly spread, thus improving combustion. Consequently, power, torque, engine response, fuel efficiency, and emissions are improved.


Anyone have info on this?

Black3.2

yeah has any one used or tried the max power fuel Ionizer??

salsarhythms

This voltage regulator sounds likes it is doing the same thing as a stiffening capacitor does for an amplifier. Quickly releasing extra energy when needed for voltage transients. I wonder if it is just a capacitor inside. Sure looks like it could be considering how it hooks up.