YES, You might want to get it check out. A CLS owner had this problem and it actually caused his car to lunge into his garage wall.
I think it has something to do with the climate controls or something like that. I can't seem to find the previous post for you, sorry.

But I'm sure I've heard of this problem on the CLS, maybe since the TLS is similar, it has the problem too.

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Did you have the A/C on? This happened to me for the first time when I was at a stoplight on an 88 degree day and the CC was at 67 degrees in the cabin. The A/C generator started up and the car lurched forward w/ my foot on the brake -- you know how when you roll to a stop, you apply pressure to stop the vehicle, but then once you're stopped you can ease up your foot on the pedal just a little while waiting for the green? Well, I realized that when I have the A/C on, I shouldn't ease up on the pedal.

 

Yeah I've felt the same thing, and I thought it was the A/C. But whenever I sit and listen or feel for it, it seems like it doesn't happen.

I was beginning to think that my mind was playing tricks on me.

 

I just bought the car less than 2 weeks ago and I already have over a 1000 miles on it. I too feel that slight "lunge" whenever I'm stopped on my driveway, although it's never big enough to actually move the car to the point that I might hit something (thank god my driveway is tilted up). I've never driven the car without the auto climate control, so maybe thats the reason why.

 

That's one of the things I was talking about. It happens mostly when my climate control is on. For those of you who have this problem, do a little check. Put you car in Park and shut off climate control and stereo. See if you feel that kind of shaking that feels like RPM change, but RPMs stay the same.

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2002 TL-S Aegean Blue Pearl. Underbody Kit, Spoiler

"260 Horsepower of maximum performance. This is BLUE SUNSHINE!" - Thunderkiss '02
Sweet!!!

 

Yeah, I noticed the exact same thing. At first, I thought it was the car behind me that was bumping me (ever so gently, like when they creep up on you at the red light). This seems to only happen on this model Acura, I drove an Integra before and never had this problem. Is this a defect that warrants the dealer checking into?

 

Exactly zman...I feel the same thing every time I drive to work in the morning. I get stuck in bumper to bumper traffic too, so that really gets annoying. (I really hope we dont have to go to the dealer for this...my Customer Service experience sucked so far)

 

Ok, so it's not my imagination then...

I get the surge forward, too. And it's more pronounce with A/C on!! Wonder what Acura would have to say about it..

Andy Kuo

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'92 Mercedes-Benz 400SE
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'02 Acura TL-S
Satin Silver/Ebony, w/out NAV

Mercedes-Benz S-Class

 

My mom's Lincoln with the Automatic Climate Control does this also whenever the compressor kicks in. I'm also one of those who is one the brake enough just to hold the car still. When the compressor kicks in, the car moves forward unless you're holding the brake hard.

 

I have the same problem, and it really sucks when you're stuck in traffic. You have to keep remembering to hold the brake pedal down harder than you normally would.

Has anybody talked to the dealer about this yet?

 

I'm going to see a dealer on this Saturday on next Monday. I'll keep you all posted.
Check the shaking while in park.

 

As someone mentioned earlier -- this has been a CL-S issue since the CL-S debuted -- good luck finding a fix for it -- there still isn't one for the CL-S -- doubt there'll be one for the TL-S. However, if you do find one, please let us know! Thanks.

 

Everyone thanks for the replies. Nice to know I am not alone. Zman, that's exactly what I thought the first time it happened to me (thought someone nudged me from behind)! I even thought about throwing the car in park and yell at the person behind me. Geez. I also have never driven the car without the climate control on, so I would have to agree with those of you who think this might be the culprit. I guess I will have ask the guys at the shop about when I get my oil changed. Thanks again.

 

I think it's the torque converter grabbing. Very irritating, and I always put foot on brake extra firm now.

I imagine that the car is a 1000 horsepower race machine just "rarin' to go" and it makes more sense...

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'01 White Diamond Pearl 3.2TL
-Wing, tint, wood and Whistler

 

WOW! Me too! The first time it happened, I thought I accidently hit part of the gas pedal with my foot on the brake!

OH NO! Not an Audi 4000/5000 thing, I hope?

:-jon

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Hello. I am new to this forum, although I used all of the valuable info before my purchase, and I thank everyone for the quality information. I have had my car for about a month and more often than not, when I am stopped at a red light my car has a tendency to want to lunge forward (shakes a little bit for maybe a second), almost as if the engine is revving up, but there is no change in RPM. I have even tried to hold the brake down as much as I can, but I can still sense this lunging feeling. Does anyone else notice this? Is it something I should have checked out? Thanks.

 

Yeah that happens to me at stop lights sometimes. It’s the ponies getting impatient

 

To be honest with you, it's really not as bad as we make it sound. You're waiting at the light, and something will kick in (A/C compressor probably) which gives the feeling of the car nudging forward a little.

I've felt it but I'm pretty sure the car didn't actually move or try to move. It just gives the impression of a bump from behind or you letting off the brake for a sec.

This shouldn't stop you from buying the car.

Wayneg, have you heard of this or felt this in your own car?

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2002 Acura TL-S w/ Navi
Aegean Blue
Underbody kit
Spoiler

Former: 1997 Acura Integra GS-R (Pioneer Head Unit, CD-Changer, EQ, Boston Acoustics separates, 2 - JL 12W4s, Kicker & Pioneer Amps)

 

This is NO big deal people! I have had two Nissan Maximas, '97 & '99, that do the exact same thing. My '99 3.2TL did it and my new '02 3.2TL-S does it; it is not uncommon nor is it just an ACURA thing.

Foget aboud it!

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'02 Acura TL-S
Satin Silver/Ebony, w/out NAV

 

I had this too. Don't know is it a problem or not? My 2k Max and the I30t wouldn't do that.

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2002 Acura TL Type S
Nighthawk Black Pearl
Parchment Leather

 

I too have this problem...i was told before that cars with ABS can do that sometimes. I dunno if it is the ABS or the auto climate... Both of my previous cars didn't have ABS or auto climate

 

i thought i was dreaming when this happened to me yesterday, i had my foot on the brake pedal, AC is on and waiting for the light to change, i was looking at the rear view mirror then suddenly i felt the car move forward even though i had my foot on the brake pedal (scared the s*#t out of me)because there's another car in front of me. i think we should ask WAYNEG if he heard of this problem since he is a service manager in one of the dealership........

 

No Kidding!! How close are you guys getting to the car in front of you?! I know that my TL-S seems like it moves in it's brake shoes a bit, but the car "REALLY" doesn't move!! Remember driver's ed. guys..."Don't stop too late, read the car's plate!" or something like that. I'm going to get those "back-off" mud flaps just in case you guys are following me!! LOL

 

Wow! I'm taking delivery of my TL-S in 10 days and this has me a little freaked out! Where's Wayne from the Acura dealer in NJ? Maybe he can give some insight.....and hopefully some action on Acura's part. From all the responses, it's obvious that the problem is widespread and potentially dangerous. There are enough idiots on the road to avoid without having our beloved TLs lunging at them!!

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2002 Type-S
Black/Parchment

 

Happen to me also. I assume it was just an idyosyncrasy of the car. My last car (a 325) did the same thing and they were never able to do anything about it. When the air-conditioner kicks in, the idle speed is increased to help with the a/c duties when the car is at idle. In some cars, this has more effect than others.

 

This post is obviously confirming that acura has a small idiosyncrasy built into the car, as mine does the same thing. I also thought the person behind me gave me a little nudge the first time this happened.
My previous car was a fully loaded Accord V6 and in 60,000 miles, I have never experienced this nudge.(it also had auto climate control)For those of you who posted about a noise when backing up I can assure you that it is the ABS doing its normal check and that this only happens when starting the car and backing up. (such as backing out of your driveway in the morning.) The noise on my Accord was 3 times as loud, but that was probably due to poor sound insulation when compared to the TL-S.
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I believe Acura has a fix for this problem in the works. Their solution - 6 Speed Manual! ;-)

 

I wonder if it would be better we leave the gear in "N" at stop lights?? As the car DOES nudge forward a little, while we are holding the car with brake, isn't that put some additional stress on the tranny??? Just curious....

Andy Kuo

 

I talked to the dealer over the phone, they said they'll check it out when I'll bring the car over to install the underbody kit.


Just out of curiousity..... I was the one who started this topic, how come it's showing someone else as a topic starter.

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Looks like we all have had the same experience. I never gave it much thought, but while stopped at red lights noticed the car creeping forward if I don't hold the brakes hard. Hmmmmm....

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2002 TL-S Aegean blue

 

My TL does it as well, so it isn't just a type S issue, but my 97 Camry did it also..

I'm not even going to mention it to my dealer cause it isn't a big deal.



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May be that jerking thing is not a big deal, but what's bigger deal is the "buzzing" sound when you go in reverse and sometimes right after switching to Drive.

 

This morning I brought the car in when the window recall thing. And I mention the problem to the service advisor. The dealer give me a call state that it couldn't find the problem. I said, "Are you sure?" After I pick up the car, I test the car again, and to my suprise. The problem is gone. There is no forward movement anymore. This morning I test the car and sure enough the problem is there. Then I looked it up on the work order, it said "Perform Stall Speed Test". Well, I don't know guys, this sounds strange. But the problem is gone right now.

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2002 Acura TL Type S
Nighthawk Black Pearl
Parchment Leather

 

Hey folks, I happened to be at the dealership today for service, and I talked to the Man himself, Wayneg.

He said all the TLs do it, and is caused by electrical load. Especially so with auto-climate control on, etc. Nothing to fix, and pretty soon you won't notice it anymore (not that it goes away, you just used to it).
Has anyone found that it goes away after owning the car for awhile?

P.S. Can you believe the loaner car is a pretty used-up Ford Contour? At first I thought why would an Acura dealer have me drive this POS, especially with the Park Ave. Acura name pasted on the bumpers? After driving it for awhile, I changed my mind, and said whoa, smart move...they want me to say "there is No comparison, and aren't I glad I own an Acura?"



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Heh heh. My loaner happened to be the very same tricked out TL-S demo car I drove that convinced me to buy the body kit.

 

My loaner is a Saturn.

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2002 Acura TL Type S
Nighthawk Black Pearl
Parchment Leather

 

Explanation:
What seems to be common is that people (myself included) hold the brake just enough to stop the car, just barely enough.

The Cause:
Everything is driven with vacuum, brakes and other sub-systems. Vacuum at a stop is very minimal due to low air volume being sucked in. When the A/C kicks in, which is upwards around 25 horsepower, the vacuum drops even more. The brakes are vacuum controlled. If you are just barely at the brake threshold at a stop, and you lose a little vacuum due to power loss to the a/c compressor, the pedal will relax slightly since it lost some vacuum, and the car will roll forward on idle horsepower.

Many many cars do it if you only lightly hold the brake. Granted my Accord doesn't do it, but it's Manual.

Nothing to worry about, nothing to fix, just hold it a nudge harder.

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This is a very common occurance and is indeed related to engine load. The computer monitors the ac and electrical circuits and adjusts idle speed to compensate for added load due to ac engagement or other electrical load. It is not a problem and cannot be "adjusted out". As they say in the computer biz- "its not a bug but a feature".

Don't worry about it- there is nothing wrong. Just be aware of it and you wont even notice it after a while.

Hey Trublus- you aren't supposed to give away out little loaner secret. So many people take their fine ride for granted, so once in a while we give you something to compare it to! The truth is that I am only allowed so many loaners from Acura and, given that we want to be able to satisfiy the needs of the highest number of customers, we purchased some vehicles from our sister ford store. Trust me- they are used when necessary to avoid walking!Besides- we need the advertising!

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wayneg - thanks for the thorough explanation on the "nudge" problem.

P.S. yeah, after 2 days with the used Ford Contour loaner, I was ready to return to my TL-S! Thanks for allowing me to compare cars. For my next loaner/comparison, could you get an 540i from Park Ave. BMW across the street?

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