When I asked my father to supply one to a TL/CL member for a dyno, he replied he doesnt need to prove anything to anyone. He also stated that some people just don't want to change their opinions due to pride maybe? They just exist to try put the product down. The proof and dyno is already there on the website. the results that came from saddleback college are not biased, they were done by a group of college students and professor. www.tornadoair.com

Secondly, heres what some of America's automotive experts said.

“Here at Sam’s Garage Radio Show we’re enjoying excellent consumer feedback with your Tornado Air System Product. Listeners are educated and know a good thing when they use it. We’ve had several reports of increased fuel economy and better performance.
I can’t wait to use TORNADO in my 5.9 liter Cummins Diesel that powers my Dodge 1 Ton Dually Truck.”
Sam Memmolo, co-host of the original Shadetree Mechanic TV show and syndicated radio host.


“In my 40 years living the automotive service life, I can’t remember any automotive aftermarket product that was as inexpensive and maintenance free as Tornado and that delivered such positive results.”
Bobby Likis, Car Clinic Network Inc. syndicated radio host

"I just wanted to drop you a note to let you know about some very good news. Since adding TORNADO to our line of products in January of 1996 and reviewing the 1996 sales trends to plan for 1997, we are recognizing TORNADO as our #1 selling new product... with the most satisfied customers for a product with a satisfaction guarantee and the #1 most marketable product!"
Vice Pres., RV Performance Connection

"Just a quick note to tell you how thrilled I am with your product. At first I had a hard time believing that such a simple device could do much good. Boy, was I wrong! The car I used as a baseline is a 1970 Dodge SuperBee 383 Magnum which was never noted for it's great gas mileage. After installing the TORNADO, mileage is up to 17.5-18 MPG from 15 MPG!! Needless to say I'm a believer."
On The Road with Jeff Brooks (Radio Host), Florida

"Greetings, I have enclosed the copy of the dynamometer test that my students ran on some selected vehicles this past semester. You should be surprised at the horsepower readings recorded. Some engines really responded with significant gains at the rear wheels. We would like to conduct some mileage test in the future to verify some gain in that area too. As previously noted some engines showed gains in horsepower and mileage."
Ron Bell, Professor, Automotive Technology, Saddleback College

Thirdly, I don't like you talking smack on a legit company because you don't have enough money to buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

and who are you? what kind of degrees do you have other than being a TL CL forum moderator?


oh ho, and what is this we have here... A CL Member telling you it works...
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...5&pagenumber=1

you = full of crap

 

Whether the product works or not, I don't agree with any businessmans attitude that "he doesnt need to prove anything to anyone". That's a pretty arrogant attitude toward any potential customer.

Good products stand on their own. Just by reading comments about this product on this site and the owners attitude, I wouldn't even want to take a chance with this company.

Just my two cents

 

maybe they are making enough profit already....

selling 70 bucks with a 5 dollars worth piece of crap

 

Just FYI, a Bmw dynoed before and after this product, and he actually LOST hp.

Something that causes a disturbance int he airflow can and will cause a loss of hp instead of a gain/.

 

I have a few questions/ observations:

1. Sam Memmolo, Bobby Likis and Jeff Brooks all have radio and/or television shows. Does Tornado Air advertise on these stations? I have also heard ads on the Leon Kaplan's "MotorMan" show on KABC in L.A. I have not heard to the best of my memory, Mr. Kaplan recommending the product as he does Edlebrock. Citing these references taints their opinions if they are accepting advertising dollars from Tornado Air for their shows. Billy Likis and Sam Memmelo even has a link on the Tornado Air website? All I see from the RV Performance Connection is "TORNADO as our #1 selling new product" and "#1 most marketable product." No data just high sales.

2. Was the study at Saddleback College funded independently or partly/fully by Tornado Air? I would love to see the ACTUAL dyno results and not just a table. I would suspect the actual dyno results would be a great selling tool.

3. The one message on A-CL.com. stated :

One or two horses can be gained or lost just by the ambient temperature. "Slightly" better fuel mileage is very vague.

Turbo, I am not flaming you or your dad's company. I appauld him for striking out on his own. I would just like to see some unbiased/unfiltered results. Compared to other aftermarket products I have, $70 would be a bargain.

 

Also 1-2 horses can be gained by a regular intake product so why bother with this. Physics proves that with the right air temperature and the CAI, you get a 3% increase. You need a dyno.

I am studying/working in the sales business, in my opinion when your father said, "doesnt need to prove anything to anyone. He also stated that some people just don't want to change their opinions due to pride maybe?"...first of all what does pride have to do with anything...all we want is a test, if it works out I'll buy it and if it doesn't work then thank you for being a good businessman and letting us try it out. A simple test will win your trust no matter what the outcome is.

I'm not attacking your company or anything so don't get offended, I'm just telling you this from a consumer's point of view and from someone who's in the business of selling.

 

Like I said before, I had one for my 4 Runner and it didn't fit. Shipping is what they get you for, something that small and light should not cost $8 to ship, espeically from So Cal to No Cal. The 30 day money back guarantee should include shipping cost. If you(Turbo) really want to prove the thing works, get a few of them to some of the members here and have them test it out. As for the CL members in that other forum, it's doesn't say how much the gains were and the guy even said it didn't fit for some reason. By the way, that CL guy is trying to sell his.......

 

you mean he's the son of the retarded korean guy who can't speak english? for the love of god and mary please get him to stop those infomercials!! he makes all of us look horrible!

 

I want to win your trust, but there are certain people here that try to shut it down. What I said was directed to them. I'm grateful for the openness of others and feedback.

I agree with you completely. What I meant about pride was that some moderators don't like to be shut down. If you know what i mean. Just wait for the dyno. It will come... besides, if it works, it works, if it doesnt, it doesnt, the dyno will prove it.

I am not sure about the relationship between them, but they can swear by God it works and I'm sure they put it on their site for a reason. Just advertising dollars on a POS won't cut it for them. They wouldn't want to shoot themselves in the foot now do they for putting up ads about a POS?

Yes, the study at Saddleback College was funded independently. Tornado Air had NOTHING to do with it. Actually, Saddleback college tested tornado biasly trying to disprove the product. And yes, the actual unbiased dyno results are a great selling tool. But some on this board have trouble accepting it.

Like I said before, I will personally see that you get an exchange if you want it, PM me. On the CL forum, the reason why it didn't fit was that he bought an intake for his car. The tornado fit snugly before until he bought a new intake with differnt tube size. And the only reason why the CL guy is tring to sell his is because it doesn't fit in his tube anymore.

Hi,

I am TuRb0MiKeY and I am an alcoholic.

Everybody at once: hi *TuRb0MiKeY*

Great post you dweeb.

.edit.

(Dyno will be up within this or next week. Moderators, do not close this thread, I will scan and insert my dyno's in here. Thank you. )

 

turbo777,

so you finally returned to talking you talk about the tornado huh? Here a question... <b>Why don't you buy one yourself since "daddy" can't spare a possibly $10 peice of metal to satisfy possibly hundreds if not thousands of a-cl and a-tl addicts that would surely purchase it IF there were any real gaines?</b>

Why is that turbo777?

I have no belief that you are who you say you are. Huh why dont you buy just 1 and no less and send it to any of us and we will test it. IN fact we would test it and then send the same exact one to others on this forum and have them test it and then compare our tests.

I think that would get some answers don't you???? HUH???

I know someone wants to pay for a before and after dyno and basically make you shut up since you cant back your "daddys" product up yourself.


As for bashing junioubean that was uncalled for. He closed your tornado thread because you were just talkin and talking and you are not backing up SH|T!!!

Buy that Motherfocking peice of metal and send it to anyone of us!!! <b>Or are you a little B|tch without the balls to step up and prove who you say you are? This would also backup a product that none of us are buying or will buy in the future because there is no evidence it works!</b>

Even right now your still talking and talking but we see no action just more crap about how great it is and absolutly no evidence that it works.

I'M CALLING YOU OUT ON THIS:
<b>STEP UP or SHUT UP!</b>

I wonder what your little b|tch excuse will be...

 

seriously man, if you're father was any kind of businessman, he would see a huge untapped market here. if his product does what he claims, the are hundreds if not thousands of members at a-tl and a-cl that would line up to buy it.

"he doesnt have to prove anything" WTF???? he's a salesman, of course he does...how else do you sell a product???

all the results and testimonials you claim are for either big diesel pickups or rv's. all we ask is proof on a SIMILAR car to ours. i can't remember the last time i saw a cummins diesel in a tl.

do you even have one on your own tl???

 

Instead of a scanned dyno, maybe you should video the entire process without any jump cuts, but I still think you should get at least one of those things and let us try it ourselves.

 

I have had quite a bit of experience using Dynos for testing and evaluation while I worked in the Automotive Racing Industry for 8 years. You can not say a product has a gain of 2 to 3 horsepower when you are dealing with any car engine. You have a margin of error in all the instrumentation that is used in the Dyno. You basically have to add up all the square of the error of each instrument and then divide it by the number of instruments and then take the square root. This usually means that the dynos most of the shops use and colleges have a margin of error on the range of 4% to 6%. So if you want to claim a true gain in horsepower you have to have a gain in power greater than the error factor you have in the dyno. So on the our Acura you need to have a 7 to 15 horsepower gain to claim a true gain.

 

If the Tornado device really improves power and fuel, car makers would make this device standard in all their vehicles. This device is just a scam like those engine oil treatments.

 

I'll make this nice and simple:

1. Stop with the useless thread without proof

OR

2. Don't say anything until you finally have proof on a dyno to post

For the love of god, how hard is it to prove something?!!

 

I'm going next wednesday. OH , and more than likely, I will give my tornado so someone can do a dyno before and after.

 

OMG.. It gives a whole 2-3 HP.. O And you save $.10 on gas.. Wow Its unbelievable... LOL

Dude whenever u test something you have to consider the error margin of the Dyno + or -- 2-3 hp... I bet if I did a Dyno 5 times out of 5 Times I might get higher HP.. And I think thats what They do on the tests... They put the tornado in and do couple Dynos and take best results...

THIS IS BS

 

LOL....I just found this thread. You should've posted it in the Type-S forum if you wanted me to read it.

Anyway... I really don't even NEED to reply since the public has spoken, but I will since you so kindly started this topic for me. Everyone above has reiterated EXACTLY what I've been saying all along.

I am in no way bashing your father's company. I am simply saying to provide real, independant proof. This sh!t has been going on for at least 6 to 8 months now.. and you have proven nothing other then you have no idea how to run a business. I'll give you credit though... at least your infomercial marketing skills are improving

Seriously though... independent proof is what will convince these members as well as the guys on acl. The thread you linked from acl.com showed one or two people agreeing with you... and the one guy is trying to sell his. The numbers still aren't in your favor. As for posting quotes... again, goes back to your improving marketing abilities.... I can quote people who claimed Sea Monkeys and Pet Rocks were toys of the century.... even though they were a rip and nothing more then dust in water and a freakin' rock respectively.

Provide a member who is stock with a free Tornado and pay for the dyno. Any good business person would see this as a great idea if their product really does perform. A dyno would cost about $125. If it works... you'll sell a ton between here and acl.com. This isn't brain surgury.. it's a simple process that has been recommended by me and many others for almost a year now. If it works, great. You'll feel good knowing you were telling the truth and daddy will make a killing on the two boards, plus, it will probably spread to other Honda/Acura boards. As a moderator I will also be able to provide people with the factual information that it does work should the topic keep coming up from other members. Instead of posting that it doesn't work.. I will have proof it does.. and will post such... as will everyone else. If not... it won't be bad for you b/c, as it is now, no one believes this thing works anyway. The fact that daddy says he has nothing to prove just makes the non-believers confirm their suspicions. It sounds like he's hiding something rather then not having anything to prove. I mean, if the fact that countless magazines, from Consumer Reports to Motortrend to Car&Driver have all reviewed the product and basically called it crap isn't enough... then I don't know what is. If that's not reason enough to give a member a Tornado, then I don't know what to say. If you don't want to pay for a dyno.. I'm sure that's fine.. just give them the product. It probably won't cost your father more then $20.

The only thing I can tell you is that people will continue to respond to any Tornado topics the way they have been until proven otherwise.... and the answer by your father doesn't help your cause... as is indicated by the replies in this and almost every other Tornado post.

I don't know what else to tell you about this. All of the replies.. including mine, are the same. So it's basically time to put up or shut up. If daddy won't come through... you come through. Buy a Tornado with the family discount and ask for a stock volunteer to do the dyno and send them the product. Then we'll see for sure, what the real deal is.

Honestly.. I'd be routing for the Tornado to show gains on a CL-S/TL-S... I really would. Only for the simple reason that you really believe in your father and his product, and you defend him so intensely (albeit mis-guided and mis-worded at times) on this board.

 

I'll be willing to pay for shipping if thats the problem...

What is so hard about getting something from your pops, after all business people need to invest in order to make profit. You say it works, let US prove it... It's not a very complicated issue... SIMPLIFY the PROBLEM...

"TALKED THE TALK, NOW WALK THE WALK, SHIPPINGS ON ME"

 

Okay, don't really have dyno to "disprove" the tornado POS but from my years of experience in the performance area, the intake side (either n/a, supercharged or turbo cars) like their air to be high pressure, and low turbulance (calm)...tornado does exactly the opposite of that. I'm 99% that if you dyno your car, put on the tornado and dyno it again, you will LOOSE hp...if not then you will NOT gain anything. I don't have (nor want to spend) the $$$ to do all this just to have "proof" but of years of experience with car performance, as well as other well established racers/tuners...the norm is less restriction and less turbulance is better for the INTAKE side.

 

LOL Years of experience?! Correct me if I'm wrong...but aren't you in the early 20's at MOST? You make it sound like you've been doing this for decades. If that's the case...then any one who runs a mom and pop shop that installed a couple of CAIs are intake specialists too. I just had to laugh...sorry LOL

P.S.
OOO...and to stay on topic...Tornado sucks...Hiclone is the real deal. You can even have them in series for an overall greater effect! LOL

http://www.fuelsaver.com.au/hiclone.htm

 

i'll be getting a dyno for myself next wednesday. People want an independant dyno? I'll try to get $125 + a tornado at the company's cost.

 

Dude, now your talkin', but is that $125 dyno + tornado for one of the members here? I don't really think most people will believe your own dyno IMO.

 

It doesn't work. I've tried it on a stock Acura Integra GSR back in 1998-1999........We had a dyno at a performance shop my friend owned. The tune up shop next door had them and we tried it out.

Let's see, 144hp before.....slight loss before v-tec, oh wait 142 hp peak......

Get the hint

 

exactly... :p

 

I'm with NSX guy. For kicks, we bought a few and installed it in three cars:
A Dodge intrepid (98), E320 (99), and a 74 Nissan Z (280 I think). After track testing (really, who can feel a 1-2 hp increase?) no definitive result. Times were all about the same, and so the tor-crapo's were back to Walmart the next day.

I suppose bogus Auto-products are as common as dishonest car salesmen...

 

You didn't really answer the question dude, but it's alright, NSX4DR and Daimler560 pretty much saids it all - it's junk.

 

Hahahahaha

In the 1st post you said you dont need a dyno?? The ones on your site are enough???????? bwahahahahahahahahahaha. Here give me 5 seconds and I'll whip you up a dyno showing a 50hp increase by sticking a banana in your tailpipe.

Also we can afford TL's but not an albeit astronomically overpriced piece of aluminum????? You have no idea what we do, how much we make, what we have put into our cars, or what we have in the bank, so dont pretend or make stupid remarks kid.

You loose more and more credibility with every post you make on this topic, and thats pretty hard to do when you are plugging something like the tornado.

P.S. No comments were ever made on the tests done by Sport Compact Car where your "dad" was even on hand for testing when they reported zero gains???? How about Car & Driver who reported no HP gains on a dyno, and zero gains on a closed circuit track with a BMW 5 series????? I brought them up in every post, but they were conveniently ignored.

 

Man...1 word should end all this discussion....SUPERCHARGER!!!! You get what you pay for!

 

Sure do, and with a supercharger you get ripped off.
Try Nitrous.......ask anyone here the two fastest TLs used it and still run with no problems....

Tann@808 and I both used the bottle with no complications and 13 second timeslips

 

Let's see, the company I represent does 100s, many 1000 or more performance measurements. However, inspite of credible results, customers still require us to prove our capabilities in order to win their business. And guess what, we will do it because that's what it takes to win the business sometime.

If this product provide a reasonable return on investment, then many of us would be willing to buy it. First it must be proven beyond a doubt that it works.

Perhaps Tornado Air would provide a 60-90 trial to a few of our members. They would test it and provide a report back to the forum on both HP and MPG results. I would want to see more than 2 results so that any variances can be sorted out. We'll be able to see the low end and the hign end of the results.

Assuming it works, Tornado Air will gain multiple sales, and most importanty, gain supporters, not critics.

So I say to Turbox777, Tornado Air has nothing to lose if it really works, but a lot to gain if it does. Also, your costs to do this are minimal even if the products are not purchased and returned.

Waiting with baited breath . . :p

Ruf

 

Try not to hold your breath Ruf, you might turn blue!

 

All business stuff aside....

We drive $30,000 cars. We all make a few bucks. Why can't ONE of us just waste the $100 and do it?

Man...if I was into the performance crap or had the stuff to read HP then I'd go do it

 

Since it's your idea, go ahead. We will wait for your results. :o

 

Silver good idea.. :p

Turbo its Friday now... wheres the results?

 

His dad probably won't give him the money nor a free Tornado to try out.

 

Coz we all don't wanna get screwed over if it doesn't work.

 

I just said I don't have the equipment to read HP. Go find me someone in the Harrisburg area who can help me do this. I'm not into this car mod stuff...don't know anyone.

 

I guess we'll never see a dyno.

For some odd reason, I don't think this is the guy's son. Why would he try to push this product to a couple hundred Acura owners when they run infomercials that reach thousands upon thousands? My gut tells me he's some some young guy who is set up to distribute the product for some extra cash. I had a few friends that tried to pimp out health supplements when they were in school.

 

Hey, does your dad sell these too?? ----> Here
































I think until real, unbiased proof is available, the subject should be dropped. All that comes from this is everyone thinks Turbo is a fraud, and he keeps basically calling us poor uneducated morons. So if you dont want to flamed or if you want you future posts to looked at seriously, give us a way to check he results that the website publishs and this matter will end. As the saying goes, "All bark, no bite"