Hey guys, this is an intelligent board, so do n't mind me post some doubts about these 2 great cars.

I was with my friend in his 98'' GS300 he has only an intake/with ecu. so pretty much the car isn't that much different from the stock. We met up a friend who drove a CL-s to go to movies.
However, on the high way, going from 65 we both floored it. both cars have 2 persons in it, the CLS goes about the same from 65~80, but from 80 to 100 GS start gaining, it was about a car length ahead. CLs closed in on 100 but that 1 car length stay until we both hit 110. Is my friend's CL-s perticularly suck? what do you guys think about tat


Here is another one, I was with my friend's GS300 again, we raced a TL-s from the stop light, easy to say, we got smoked pretty bad. However, coincidently we both went on the same highway, so there we goes again from 65 to 100. The TLS is fast until we hit around 85, then it slowed down, the GS300 starts gaining. so it was about 0.5~1 car length, we stay that way, TL-s couldn't pull and we couldn't gain any better too.
any opinion is welcome~ = )

 

I have no reply to that.

 

it's the gearing. as soon as you hit 4th gear, you're pretty much accelerating VVVEEERRRRYYYY SSSSLLLOOOWWWLLLYY.

the best you can do is keep it in 3rd as long as possible (a little over 100mph), but after that, hope you ahve a lead big enough that 4th doesn't suck you down too far.

(4th is overdrive for city driving).

 

The car should be able to pull away from you in the 1-2-3 gears...until about 110...then you should really start to gain....the 4-5 gearing on our cars are OD gears....
You have to be aggressive on using the SS in order to keep the car in the correct gear though.

 

There is no way a GS300 would keep up with the TL-S from any speed. For God sakes, I hung with my friends 98 GS400 (he did edge me out, but it was a good race). The only time the TL-S is not a rocket is from 110 to about 120 (it still gains speed though), then the TL-S pulls decently after that in the upper RPM's of 4th gear.

 

Now the GS400/430 is one thing but a GS300?? Isnt that the same engine in the ES300 which is much lighter?? I have no problem taking my friend in his ES300. The numbers just dont maek sense to me. I have no problem accelerating in 3rd which will take my over 100mph pretty quick. Once I hit the overdrive gears then the fun starts slowing down.

 

They are definetly not the same engine, heh. The GS300 is an 220-hp inline-6. Inline-6s produce a flatter power curve. The M3, like all BMW 6 cylinders that I can think of is an inline-6.

 

Aahhhh, I know the GS300 engines are the inline 6 family of Toyota's engines (GS300, IS300, SC300, Supra etc. etc.) But the ES300 are the V-6 family (ES300, Camry, Avalon, etc.) Even so, this car is pretty weak from 4th on. Dam those gears! But one thing this car does is scoot pretty good from a stop, it's not just the power helping here it's the gears. If they only left 5th as an overdrive. Ah well, most of the driving I do (NYC) I don't really nead to go over a hundred. I need to jam the gas and stick the car in a hole in the traffic before someone else, and it does that pretty good Not only is it nice on the highway, it's a pretty capable city car.

 

Woops you're right. I think the prior GS300 utilized the same powertrain. But I still dont see it. The car has less HP, weighs more and has a slower 0-60 and a slower quarter mile time. I dont see the GS300 being behind in the quarter mile and then suddenly ahead at 100. I may be mag racing but thats all I have to go on. C&D puts the TL-S at 14.8 through the quarter at 96mph. The GS300 they get at 16.2. Gearing may play a part but the GS300 is a luxury sedan with overdrive gears as well. Its not geared that aggressively. In fact most mags have the IS300 faster than the GS300 through 0-60, and the quarter mile.

As far as the comparion to the M3, yeah they are both inline 6's but thats where the similarities end.

Theres only one way for me to find out though, Hehehehe

 

NO WAY a GS300 beats a TLS!! The GS400 can barely beat it!

 

I never said anything about a GS3 beats a TL-s did i? it did beat the CLs on high end, but never I mentioned the TL-s lost to a GS3.

from offline, TL-s can smoke the GS3 in anytime, but from 85~120 TLs can't smoke a GS3 by that much. it will sure win, but it wont keep on gaining or pulling by more than 1~2 car lengths.

 

I dont see the GS300 gaining on the TL-S at any speed. You had 2 guys in the GS300 how many in the TL-S?? The GS300 doesnt have the Torque, HP, or weight advantage and I dont think it has a big gearing advantage either to start pulling on it. On my car since if I was flooring it I would still be in 3rd gear well into triple digits, not the overdrive 4th & 5th gears. The GS300 is a luxury cruiser after all, and the 400 is the one geared for performance.

 

Well at higher speeds GS 3 is more aerodynamic and torque is about the same so it may be possible but it is very VERY VERY tough to catch up wth someone over 100 mph ....


GS4 can barely beat what I do not think so bub......

 

I think I smell another "TLS whups a GS400/430, and costs $25k less"... it never ends.

 

Sounds like baiting to me. :p

I never even look at a GS300. Not even fast enough to make me get excited about a race.

Now where is that pesky first GS400 victim? Why are they all hiding from me?
Did someone let the cat out of the bag that I'm hunting them?

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