AznTL99

The first week I got my TL, my friend with a 93 LS 4dr legend wanted to race me. All he had was an intake. I thought to myself that my 225 hp TL would take care of his legend with only 200hp + maybe 5 hp from the intake without a problem. So we lined up our cars at a red light, when it turn green, I floored my gas pedal. I was about half a car length ahead of him the whole time until my car reached about 80mph. Thats when he caught up and eventually beating me towards the end. Any Answers for this?

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AcuraTL

Don't tell me he has the Type II Legend engine with the 6 speed tranny.

AznTL99

No,it wasn't a GS legend 6 speed @240hp...just a regular auto @200hp.

AcuraTL

Then I really can't explain why he has more top end. You sure he only has an intake and nothing else?

Inspire

How is that possible? A friend of mine had a 97'legend coupe, and had his azz whooped from begining til the end.

-Rz-UA5

THe only reason for that is that you didnt totally run in your car...since you only got your car for a short while. On the other hand, his engine run more smoother than yours.

AcuraTL

I wouldn't be surprised if you friend has a chip for Dinan. Dinan used to make chips for the Legend until they went and specialized in BMWs only.

Inspire

That may be it yo. Try to run your engine for alittle longer... Trust me, that legend is no match after you break your engine in.

AznTL99

I dont know if it makes a difference or not, but I wasn't using my sport shift when I was racing. I just left it in the regular driving position. I'm 100% that he has nothing other than an intake in his car. The only thing that may make a difference is that he's been racing his legend for awhile, and I heard that the ECU adjust to driving conditions. Maybe his ECU may have increased his air and fuel ratio?

-Rz-UA5

It really makes a differences if you totall run in your engine, coz i run way more smoothly. Also, maybe the legend is lighter..I m not sure about this though

Acura3200

People always underestimate Legends... I used to too... those really are quick little phuckers. My friend's 92 Coupe (5 speed) with exhaust and intake can keep up with my Stock (for now) TL. It's a very close race.

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jigga622

hey inspire, i doubt he has a 97 legend coupe considering they stopped making them in 95. just thought you should know.

Red Hot TL

it's the transmision. if you leave it in normal driving position, I assume you put it in D5... which when you reach about 80 MPH, you're in fifth gear, which SUCKS BIG TIME! either use the sport shift and keep in 4th gear or just use D4. and when you see your opponent catching up, down shift to thrid and floor it. cuz the third gear in the TL is pretty awesome.

Remember, when racing, never use fifth gear in TL...

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LegendC

3rd Gear in the Legends is just incredable. The Legend is not much of a street racer, but more of a highway hawk. Many cars will have a tough time keeping up at higher speeds with the 200hp Type I and even more so with the 230hp Type II. And yes, the Legend was discontinued in 1995. Legends lack VTEC, but for some reason there is a lot of power through most of the RPM range. Don't underestimate the Legend, for a heavy car it can haul. Peace.

Inspire

ops, my bad, never knew that... I guess I was being lied to about the year, but it's ture that my T.L overcame his legend.

tshields2

Before my father got his CL Type S he had a 95 Legend LS coupe with the 6-speed. I tried to get him to race, but he wasn't interested. It's probably better off though because he probably would have beaten me.

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Guest

seems like you guys under estimated the legend(non gs 6 speed).its a powerful car.although it may be slow in the low end, in the high end its really powerful.

Black TL

You guys are talking about a G2 legend beating you. Check this out. I raced my friends 90 Legend two months after I got my car. I had 2000 miles on it and he had 90000. I thought I would kill him. I even punched it before he did and he caught up with me and I only beat him by a car length or so. That car only has 170 hp and with the lightweight of the car, its fast. He also has S4 and S3 on his car and he raced me on S4.

Guest

I considered getting a CL-S but until Acura offers it with a real transmission (manual) I'll pass.

I have a 93 Acura Legend LS coupe 6 speed (Type II 230 HP) with some upgrades - Dinan Stage II chip, RM Racing Intake, Kone Engineering exhaust, HondaClutch high performance clutch, 17" TSW Revos, 215 50 17 Toyo Proxes TS1s, Brembo slotted/cross drilled rotors, Porterfield pads, SCM stainless braided brake lines, etc.

Anyway, turns high 14s and does 60 in a tick over 6 seconds, but it's real strength is from 60 up. The VTEC 3.2 liter is a nice engine, in a nice car, but it can't run with the high performance 6 speed Legends. Too bad Honda stopped making the Legend, and too bad they didn't offer the VTEC 3.2 liter (NSX) with 290 HP in the 6 speed coupe.

BTW, I don't think a TL automatic would do all that well against the GS automatic sedan the Type II coupes with automatics either.

Still and all, the TL is a really nice Honda, quick, luxurious, tight. Enjoy.

2x6spds



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BlackShadow

Since the TL is a really nice Honda, then your Legend must be a Honda also.
Enjoy

ZodiakTL

i guess i should mention that when i race fiddler's accord coupe (98' 4 speed auto) he seems to catch up to me and edge me out when we hit about 115, thats when i have to shift into 4th and he catches up with me... but i have a strong lead thru the first 3 speeds, we both have aem short rams and shocks/springs/sway mods... so thats also something to think about...

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RAdams

Red Hot TL: The transmission will not upshift to 5th gear by 80MPH if you floor it. It doesn't randomly pick speeds at which to shift... when it's floored it shifts at redline. 3rd gear in my 2000 tops out at ~100MPH. If I kept it floored to top speed it would theoretically never shift to 5th because it reaches top speed in 4th gear (and even then doesn't redline 4th).

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Hi Blackshadow

The Legend is definitely a Honda! It says Honda on the engine, not Acura. Acura is some marketing baloney they came up with to help sell expensive Hondas in the USA and Canada.

2x6spds

ChrisK

Be nice guys, both cars are very nice, and suprisingly fast. That race sounds about what all the Legends go though. The Legend is really heavy. One Legend owner weighed his car on those large car scales, and it came out to 3720lbs. My door jam reads 3750lbs, so that is about right I guess. Anyway, all the Legends usually loose in the begining off the start due to the bad starts they get from the heavy weight. If the Legend driver is not a good driver, then he will have a hard time to recover from that loss in the begining, unless he has a lot of road to work with. Other then that, it has a suprisingly strong top end from around 75MPH-135+ MPH. It seems to keep pulling very strong in that range, and overcomes many other cars on the road because of that. In short races, even some Civic Sis, and Integra GS-Rs can edge out the Legend at times. Any long highway race though, and the Legend holds its own with many. Just be glad there are guys like Tanner running 13.99 with his TL

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bdimc2001

Wow that's pretty quick for a TL 13.99 Tanner? My 91 Legend was pretty quick. All i had was an intake and shocks & springs. But the audio stuff loaded it down a bit. Legend is a great car, too bad they messed it up with the RL.

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Guest

My friend has a 92 Legend. He beats everyone with his car and its totally stock. I got my car thinking it was faster than his, well i was wrong. His car is real fast. Gotta get the I/H/E Soon!! Need to beat people so i could start feeling good about my new car.

Guest

ps. he did an engine swap, supposedly he got an engine from Japan. (which i think is
totally BS.. but still his car is way way faster than my car.)

ChrisK

Shouldn't matter. The JDM spec Legend engine is the same as the US spec engine. Only difference and reason why they have slightly more raeted HP is because they use higher octane gas, so the car is tuned for it.



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-Rz-UA5

Nice, I raced with an Acura Vigor. It was a close match.....Vigor is faster than i expected.

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