gcjin2007

how much will i lose by stock vs. stock. and waht modifications will i need to beat one ? CAI? and what does my engine need to drive circles around that car.

pzero23

comptech supercharger will help out

gcjin2007

is that it? would anything cheeper and easier on my tranny help me beat the 6mt?

PenancE

tls=260hp
tl 6 mt=300

do the math, u need 40 more hp or more, cai is 8-10 hp, so yea

pzero23

yeah its going to be tough a CAI will help or just some juice other than that ?????

CBRTLS47

Sense when does a 6 speed have 300hp? I have i/h/e and have beaten the new tl. Im type-s too.

gcjin2007

ya, i think it has only 10 more hp (old hp rating system is 270 vs. 260) and i think our car wieghs 500 lbs more? plus the auto tranny, so u think a cai and headers may do it? how about pulleys, bec i heard we can pull the 6mt tl in 2nd bec of the drive by wire throttle, so would more of a low end punch make up for the 6mt high end?

Pure Adrenaline

iTrader: (2)

It does not have 300 hp, and it is not 500 pounds lighter.

Having said that, you're gonna need at least intake and headers to be fairly matched.

Edward'TLS

Also make sure you have drained all but the necessary gas to go racing and to the closest gas station, remove all heavy items such as spare tire, jack, etc., and turn off all unnecessary electronics such as headlights, stereo, climate control, etc.

ou sig

please tell us where you got that completely wrong information...the manual TL will put down more power to the ground just like the CLS6 speed puts down more power vs. the auto CLS

2003TL-S

300 hp?? In your freakin wetest dream buddy!!!!!

Against and auto 3G it is a drivers race, against a 6 speed, I agree, I/H

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

270 old rating... now is 258 with new rating...

gcjin2007

wat bout the pulleys? will they give me some car lengths in the start? and will the pulleys effect my long term mileage reliability?

fsttyms1

And odds are with the new sae ratings the 2nd gen TL-S wold be rated less than 260 just like the 3rd gen is rated lower!

2003TLSNKC

I think that he got the 300hp from the BS rating that is used sometimes. Its not used by car manufactures, just by the owners.

sbuswell

I/H/P and you will beat him convincingly(1/2-1 CL).

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

yup, u got it.. and with all 2nd gens being auto, even more loss to the wheels compared to a 3rd gen 6spd... i really wish the TL-S had a 6-spd.. i love the styling of the second gen...

Sun Diego CL-S

wait a minute. the TL-S didn't get a 6spd in '03?!

fsttyms1

In simple words............NO

Sun Diego CL-S

damn. i never knew about that one. i guess the CL got it for being a coupe. i just assumed the TL did since the it is using the same platform.

fsttyms1

Yup the Coupe was the lucky 1. The TL should have also got it.

gcjin2007

what about my ques guys? lol, wat bout the pulleys? will they give me some car lengths in the start? and will the pulleys effect my long term mileage reliability?

p.s. im trying to find the cheepest way to beat one.

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

X2

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

i would go I/H/E/P... seeing as if u do come across one it will prob at least have a CAI.. so get the most with what u can do... those 3rd gens are modding also... u have an advantage.. they can't get headers because their block is cast iron... and that is where alot of power comes from...

F23A4

It should have but Acura only blessed the CL-S with the 6MT.

gcjin2007

noice... that thats the beauty of the 2nd gen.. and im kinda a freak on how things work, so can u explain y the 3rd gen cant have headers? thx man

sbuswell

headers don't fit on a 3G apparently, at least no one has made any that will. I am sure there will be in a year or two. right now if you get I/H you should beat a 3G 6MT and crank pulley will not urt your cars reliability at all(UR only here).

@cUr@-TL

i think by 300hp PenancE meant that because of the 6mt it was like if the 5AT actually had 300hp... so for a 5AT TL(-S) to beat a 6MT it will need around 300hp... i think that's what he meant... it'S a way to see it..

gcjin2007

how about handlin wise... are coilovers necessary esp for maryland's terrible roads.. or can h&e oe springs be fine( btw, do i need to eventually relplace my shocks if ihave h&r oe springs)

ou sig

the manafolds are cast into the block of the 3rd gen engine. so its not a simple bolt off and bolt on mod like it is for most cars.

ou sig

the manafolds are cast into the block of the 3rd gen engine. so its not a simple bolt off and bolt on mod like it is for most cars.

you dont need coliovers - what kind of ride/handling are you looking for? The HR OE springs dont drop the car much at all so your stock struts will be fine. I just replaced my stock struts with Tokico blues and my old rusted Comptech springs with Tanabe NF210 springs. My OEM struts lasted till about 90k miles (25k miles with the Comptech springs) but they were riding real bad when I finally replaced them.

My car rides like new now - so if you have a lot of miles on your stock struts, just replace the struts when you put on new springs and you will be much happier. I recommend the Tokico blues if you dont expect extreme conditions and want the ride to be near stock-like. If you want something more high performance - get the Tokico Illuminas (they are adjustable) or the Koni Yellows.

snowman81

One of my friends as an '04 6MT. I raced him from a stop and from 40. He pulled on me both times. You can see my mods below, my next mod will be pulleys. As for the race, he had the advantage to begin with. I had a passenger and luggage for 2 people for a week. But he still pulled easier than I thought he would. The next time I am up that way (he lives in Mass) we are going to run again under better conditions and see what happens then.

gcjin2007

dang, its gotta be the weight, bec w. the headers and cai, i want my type s to walk on the 6mt.. and for u marylanders, will H&R sports and koni yellows? do well in the snow, curbs potholes...?

03CoupeV6

Isn't the 3rd gen heavier than the 2nd?

snowman81

Minimally...here is the info from the Acura website:

*2006 TL*
-w/ Nav
Auto: 3591 lbs
6MT : 3499 lbs

-w/o Nav
Auto: 3580 lbs
6MT : 3483 lbs

*2002 TL*
-w/ Nav
TL-P: 3508 lbs
TL-S: 3574 lbs

-w/o Nav
TL-P: 3492 lbs
TL-S: 3558 lbs

Hope that clears it up...I don't think the curb weight will make much difference.