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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 03:24 PM
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Hey guys i am new here. I was wondering. I have a 2000 Tl regular and is there anyway i can beat 06-07 civic si on quater mile?
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 03:27 PM
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weight savings...

headers.... intake... exhaust.. underdrive pulley...

is the civic stock?
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 04:47 PM
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15.3 seconds at a little over 93 mph for a stock civic si

be a close race against a stock TL-p, thats if you know how to launch it right.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 04:58 PM
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weight savings...

headers.... intake... exhaust.. underdrive pulley...

is the civic stock?
Yeah all stock. I heard Intake doesnt do anything just make it louder. Headers are just to much work. Underdrive pulley also to much work. I raced a 99 Honda Prelude Stock 5 speed manual, that thing killed me.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:00 PM
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Yeah all stock. I heard Intake doesnt do anything just make it louder. Headers are just to much work. Underdrive pulley also to much work. I raced a 99 Honda Prelude Stock 5 speed manual, that thing killed me.
wtf..fail fail fail fail fail....where did you get that info? your buddy whos racing you ahah...CAI is worth the money...headers are worth the work...pulley is a nice touch...search a bit bud
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by acura7000
Yeah all stock. I heard Intake doesnt do anything just make it louder. Headers are just to much work. Underdrive pulley also to much work. I raced a 99 Honda Prelude Stock 5 speed manual, that thing killed me.
So what you're saying is .. you don't want to beat that Civic Si?
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:04 PM
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Yeah all stock. I heard a short ram Intake doesnt do anything just make it louder. Headers are just to much work. Underdrive pulley also to much work. I raced a 99 Honda Prelude Stock 5 speed manual, that thing killed me.
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a cold air intake will add power and throttle response lost by your 5 gallon intake resonator.

an intake will shave time off of a 0-60. i timed myself at 8 sec 0-60 more than once 100% stock. after installing a cold air intake i timed myself at 7.2 sec 0-60.

now i need to time myself again since i cleaned out my 1/2 clogged up EGR ports and intake manifold, seafoam too. it made a difference getting all that gunk out of there. yuk.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:05 PM
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Or hes lazy...
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Originally Posted by acura7000
Yeah all stock. I heard Intake doesnt do anything just make it louder. Headers are just to much work. Underdrive pulley also to much work. I raced a 99 Honda Prelude Stock 5 speed manual, that thing killed me.
LOL wtf?! then why bother? just stick to cruising then..

you come here asking what can you do?

i listed the most simpliest things you can do and also the most power gains you'll get from those... and you turn them down....

all i gotta say is..

LOL fail. you old man.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:05 PM
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^ ya that H22 will do that. watch out for the jdm with 11:1 compression. 220hp!!!
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:06 PM
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No i want to SMOKE the crap out of the civic lol
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:08 PM
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^uhh well just one more time for fun...fail
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:08 PM
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I would do those things if i could all i have money for is an intake. I am broke.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:09 PM
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No i want to SMOKE the crap out of the civic lol
the only way to do that is to do those mods, and you will smoke him. you could prob smoke him with just an intake and good shifting skills (gate shifting)
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Originally Posted by acura7000
I would do those things if i could all i have money for is an intake. I am broke.
then why bother modding...

if your only plan is to mod just cuz you want to beat a civic si.... just don't..

and there is no other way of beating it...

drop some pounds off the car.. use 1/4 tank of gas or something..

.. jump the gun.. idk..
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by acura7000
I would do those things if i could all i have money for is an intake. I am broke.
intake resonator removal is free and will add power.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:10 PM
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well since their useless I wouldnt recommend getting one
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:12 PM
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why race in the first place if you can't even afford mods..

probably can't even afford gas then...
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:13 PM
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I can afford Gas
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:14 PM
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save up money..

then afford some mods..

get the mods.. beat the civic.. be happy.

end of story.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:15 PM
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oh.. and shop smart for mods...

you kind find all of the things i listed above for less then 1grand....

minus the exhaust.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:19 PM
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hex just go for and race that civic, chances are you might pull it off if he shifts wrong. so what if you loose, then its all the more incentive to get mods.

come on, you got a j32 v-tec v6 under the hood and your scared to take on a civic. :gheylaugh
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:21 PM
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lol thanks guys.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 05:24 PM
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all u need is a little elbow grease and a look at our diy mod section and you can spank the civic si.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by acura7000
Hey guys i am new here. I was wondering. I have a 2000 Tl regular and is there anyway i can beat 06-07 civic si on quater mile?
Originally Posted by jjashaa
weight savings...

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Originally Posted by acura7000
I heard Intake doesnt do anything just make it louder. Headers are just to much work. Underdrive pulley also to much work.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 07:06 PM
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^ ya that H22 will do that. watch out for the jdm with 11:1 compression. 220hp!!!
As a former owner of a JDM H22a I can tell you that they have 10.6:1 compression and 200hp stock.

None the less a 4th gen prelude wth a jdm (or USDM) H22 will rape a TL with or without mods. Unless it was a 6-spd Type-S, then it would be close.

Anyone who buys a TL to race is retarded. Its one thing add I/H/E for a few extra ponies and a nice sound. But to try to out run the lighter Hondas is just re-re.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gold2003tl (90)
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a cold air intake will add power and throttle response lost by your 5 gallon intake resonator.

an intake will shave time off of a 0-60. i timed myself at 8 sec 0-60 more than once 100% stock. after installing a cold air intake i timed myself at 7.2 sec 0-60.

now i need to time myself again since i cleaned out my 1/2 clogged up EGR ports and intake manifold, seafoam too. it made a difference getting all that gunk out of there. yuk.
I don't mean to sound like a dick but there is NO WAY you shaved 0.8 seconds off your 0-60 time with only a CAI If that was the case then every single one of us would have one without question. A CAI, headers and exhaust won't add power, it will simply free it up. Same goes for the UR pulley.
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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 09:43 AM
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I don't mean to sound like a dick but there is NO WAY you shaved 0.8 seconds off your 0-60 time with only a CAI If that was the case then every single one of us would have one without question. A CAI, headers and exhaust won't add power, it will simply free it up. Same goes for the UR pulley.
a stock TL-p is bogged down much more than a stock TL-s. all i can say is that it was like night and day putting in a cold air intake.

plus when i took out my resonator there were leaves inside of it restricting more air flow . an 8 sec 0-60 time for TL-p is pretty slow, and i could not get it to go any faster under stock conditions. so after freeing up that much needed power i got a more realistic 0-60 time, 7.2 sec. I believe a TL-p's stock 0-60 time is 7.5 sec, thats without oak and maple leaves in the resonator.
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i've beaten those Model SI's stock from a roll..

seem to not have a problem pulling on them.. maybe they are quicker from a dead stop.

if i even did as much as a CAI i would have murdered the guy.

oh and dont be afraid of h22's... they are only dangerous if the guy can drive and the motor is well kept up.

most ricers with h22's cant keep the wheels stuck to the pavement..

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a stock TL-p is bogged down much more than a stock TL-s. all i can say is that it was like night and day putting in a cold air intake.

plus when i took out my resonator there were leaves inside of it restricting more air flow . an 8 sec 0-60 time for TL-p is pretty slow, and i could not get it to go any faster under stock conditions. so after freeing up that much needed power i got a more realistic 0-60 time, 7.2 sec. I believe a TL-p's stock 0-60 time is 7.5 sec, thats without oak and maple leaves in the resonator.
Fair enough, perhaps I'm incorrect in thinking that the stock TL-P with the 5AT has a 0-60 time of 8 seconds flat. The funny thing is, even the TL-S is bogged down by our VSA system. I've read of another member removing a portion of his VSA system and tricking the computer into thinking its still there. The end result? I think he gained 10-15 whp on the dyno which is pretty crazy. It's not a simple modification to do and will remove one of the car's "safety" features, but damn is that ever ridiculous.
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Fair enough, perhaps I'm incorrect in thinking that the stock TL-P with the 5AT has a 0-60 time of 8 seconds flat. The funny thing is, even the TL-S is bogged down by our VSA system. I've read of another member removing a portion of his VSA system and tricking the computer into thinking its still there. The end result? I think he gained 10-15 whp on the dyno which is pretty crazy. It's not a simple modification to do and will remove one of the car's "safety" features, but damn is that ever ridiculous.
How the hell would removing the traction control system add hp?

This forum is filled with mis-information.

Hey rockstar I see your from BR. Me too!! And my Prelude with the H22 would out run my tl type-s in any situation. I still like the TL WAY better, its just not as fast.

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How the hell would removing the traction control system add hp?

This forum is filled with mis-information.

Hey rockstar I see your from BR. Me too!! And my Prelude with the H22 would out run my tl type-s in any situation. I still like the TL WAY better, its just not as fast.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the VSA taps into your brake and throttle control to keep the vehicle stable in tight corners. It it a little bit different than the traction control system. So tampering with the VSA would actually give a horsepower gain.
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Originally Posted by gold2003tl (90)
the only way to do that is to do those mods, and you will smoke him. you could prob smoke him with just an intake and good shifting skills (gate shifting)
A little off topic but where does the 2000 tl get peak horsepower, so what rpm is the best time to shift??
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Originally Posted by TheMegalodon
Fair enough, perhaps I'm incorrect in thinking that the stock TL-P with the 5AT has a 0-60 time of 8 seconds flat. The funny thing is, even the TL-S is bogged down by our VSA system. I've read of another member removing a portion of his VSA system and tricking the computer into thinking its still there. The end result? I think he gained 10-15 whp on the dyno which is pretty crazy. It's not a simple modification to do and will remove one of the car's "safety" features, but damn is that ever ridiculous.

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How the hell would removing the traction control system add hp?

This forum is filled with mis-information.

Hey rockstar I see your from BR. Me too!! And my Prelude with the H22 would out run my tl type-s in any situation. I still like the TL WAY better, its just not as fast.
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that dyno is all bs
dont want to get off topic, but cant let this go.

he did his stock run in 4th gear, which doesnt go all the way to redline, so he didnt get the most power out of the car. he didnt even hit the peak point where we make the most power. in other words, he topped out the car (speedometer wise, not rpm wise).

then he did the vsa delete run in 3rd gear, going all the way to redline, and giving him the most power. and hitting the peak point.

it will make the dyno line smoother as it climbs, but not my much, and nothing u can fell.

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Old Jun 11, 2009 | 06:35 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the VSA taps into your brake and throttle control to keep the vehicle stable in tight corners. It it a little bit different than the traction control system. So tampering with the VSA would actually give a horsepower gain.


Um, no.
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Old Jun 11, 2009 | 07:39 AM
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ANC297- it doesn't take away power. It like traction control. When the tires satrt to slip that's when it ckicks in. The tl-s doest have tcs, its got vsa in stead. If u turn it off (whick u should when racing) it won't give nor take away power.
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