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There could be big problems if it worked at high speeds, what it does is slow down your wheel and transfer power to the wheel that is slipping. If you were going 80mph and tcs came on you either go off the road or could actually flip your vehicle.
Originally Posted by sbuswell
There could be big problems if it worked at high speeds, what it does is slow down your wheel and transfer power to the wheel that is slipping. If you were going 80mph and tcs came on you either go off the road or could actually flip your vehicle.
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From: Better Neighborhood, Arizona
Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
TCS does not have the capability to transfer power. Only AWD/4WD has that ability. TCS just applies braking to balance it out.
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From: Lexington
Originally Posted by alpswd
TCS (tlp) works UP TO 25MPH on 2nd gen
VSA (tls) works much much higher
VSA (tls) works much much higher
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From: Better Neighborhood, Arizona
Originally Posted by vishnus11
What about on first gen? Are u sure only 25mph limit for TCS...I know for a fact than when merging onto freeway during an icestorm the tcs light blinked several times and i could have sworn that I was doing at least 45 mph before the light went out (maybe just my imagination)..?
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
There could be big problems if it worked at high speeds, what it does is slow down your wheel and transfer power to the wheel that is slipping. If you were going 80mph and tcs came on you either go off the road or could actually flip your vehicle.
all speed tcs is nice, it saved me acouple times one night durring a ice/snow storm going down the hwy in my dads old aurora. the TCS system in the TL is completely usless. id rather it not work in the city and only work on teh hwy.
the only thing tcs systems do is apply braking to the wheel thats spinning to keep them from spinning, if the brake isnt enough the computer will also reduse spark and fuel.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
no you got that all wrong.
all speed tcs is nice, it saved me acouple times one night durring a ice/snow storm going down the hwy in my dads old aurora. the TCS system in the TL is completely usless. id rather it not work in the city and only work on teh hwy.
the only thing tcs systems do is apply braking to the wheel thats spinning to keep them from spinning, if the brake isnt enough the computer will also reduse spark and fuel.
all speed tcs is nice, it saved me acouple times one night durring a ice/snow storm going down the hwy in my dads old aurora. the TCS system in the TL is completely usless. id rather it not work in the city and only work on teh hwy.
the only thing tcs systems do is apply braking to the wheel thats spinning to keep them from spinning, if the brake isnt enough the computer will also reduse spark and fuel.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Not quite. You're thinking of VSA which applies the brakes to individual wheels. TCS simply reduces power to the slipping drive wheel.
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From: Better Neighborhood, Arizona
Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
The Premium model does not have the secondary throttle body to reduce power. All it does is apply braking.
Total opposite of my '97 TL then. It doesn't do ANY braking, it just modifies the throttle.
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Originally Posted by z3Ro
is there anyway to completely disable the TCS?...kuz ive noticed that even if its switched on...itll still b passively active...
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wait...lol...i typed it wrong...even if its switch *off*...its still active...sorry bout the mistake...like when its off the lite is off rite?...i try to peel out but the car is trying to regain traction...its like a "broken" sound...screech screech screech screech...not screeeeeeeeech...lol...u get the idea?
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Originally Posted by z3Ro
wait...lol...i typed it wrong...even if its switch *off*...its still active...sorry bout the mistake...like when its off the lite is off rite?...i try to peel out but the car is trying to regain traction...its like a "broken" sound...screech screech screech screech...not screeeeeeeeech...lol...u get the idea?
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From: Better Neighborhood, Arizona
Originally Posted by ou sig
I think its off when you push the button and the TCS light comes on...I would go check my manual now, but its too damn cold outside.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Not quite. You're thinking of VSA which applies the brakes to individual wheels. TCS simply reduces power to the slipping drive wheel.
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Originally Posted by z3Ro
is there anyway to completely disable the TCS?...kuz ive noticed that even if its switched on...itll still b passively active...
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From: brooklyn, ny
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
when you turn it off and teh light on the dash comes on, the system is COMPLETLY off. it is not active at all
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Originally Posted by bkzjimmy
so when the light is on.....the system is off??-i thought it was the other way around!
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Originally Posted by scottt
You have that completely backwards. TCS only applies the brakes. VSA can both reduce engine power and apply the brakes. Hence the main reason I bought the Type S over the TL-P (the extra 35hp was a nice bonus too:-) )
Confused the heck out of me. I'm too used to the TCS on my 1st gen TL, it modifies the intake and reduces engine power. It does NOT affect braking at all.
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Originally Posted by z3Ro
what the hells...lol...so lite off = on...lite on = off?...rite?
TCS light flashing (it is working)
TCS light off (system is on)
TCS light on (system has been manually turned off)
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yes, finally....correct. TCS is allspeed....i remember try this when my TL was new (very dumb).....on the highway i was going like 60, 65 and there was snow between lanes, so i hit the gas half way and veered into the snow, light started flashing....
also, on my 01 ex-v6 accord, the traction control was up to 28 mph.....or 22....or something...-peace
also, on my 01 ex-v6 accord, the traction control was up to 28 mph.....or 22....or something...-peace
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But my manual said it work up to 25mph. Our TL only have low speed TCS. I did have alot of wheelspin the last summer with my 40,000miles stock in heavy rain at highway speed 50+.
Non of that time my TCS work. i don't know y ur tcs work at 60 or 65.
Non of that time my TCS work. i don't know y ur tcs work at 60 or 65.
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Originally Posted by VTEC 2
But my manual said it work up to 25mph. Our TL only have low speed TCS. I did have alot of wheelspin the last summer with my 40,000miles stock in heavy rain at highway speed 50+.
Non of that time my TCS work. i don't know y ur tcs work at 60 or 65.
Non of that time my TCS work. i don't know y ur tcs work at 60 or 65.
and ken1997tl if im not mistaken the 2nd gen also reduces engine power, but only if the braked arent enough. ive had my engine bog before with my tcs on leading me to believe that the computer was intervining
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Originally Posted by scottt
You have that completely backwards. TCS only applies the brakes. VSA can both reduce engine power and apply the brakes. Hence the main reason I bought the Type S over the TL-P (the extra 35hp was a nice bonus too:-) )
Now they (Acura) may have changed the way the TCS worked for second gen...but i doubt it. I still think that VSA is the one that applies brakes - it basically coordinates the ABS and TCS systems into one electronic nanny.
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Ok.. straight from Honda for the 2000 TL
For Type S models
TRACTION CONTROL SYSTEM
Given the TL's formidable power output and the need for all-weather drivability, a Traction Control System (TCS) is standard equipment. This low-speed system operates at vehicle speeds below about 25 mph by applying one or both front brakes to control wheelspin when necessary. This independent wheel control provides a limited-slip differential effect that substantially improves performance on surfaces with split traction coefficients. Relative to the previous generation TL, which used throttle control only to limit wheelspin, the new TL delivers up to 30 percent better acceleration and climbs hills much more easily in start-up split-traction situations.
Given the TL's formidable power output and the need for all-weather drivability, a Traction Control System (TCS) is standard equipment. This low-speed system operates at vehicle speeds below about 25 mph by applying one or both front brakes to control wheelspin when necessary. This independent wheel control provides a limited-slip differential effect that substantially improves performance on surfaces with split traction coefficients. Relative to the previous generation TL, which used throttle control only to limit wheelspin, the new TL delivers up to 30 percent better acceleration and climbs hills much more easily in start-up split-traction situations.
VEHICLE STABILITY ASSIST (VSA) SYSTEM
For enhanced driver control during hard cornering and accident-avoidance maneuvers, the 2002 TL Type-S is equipped with a standard Acura Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) system similar to the system first unveiled in the 2000 model year on the 3.5 RL flagship sedan.
Integrating TCS, ABS, and stability enhancement processes, the VSA system constantly monitors eight vehicle sensors that compare the driver's control inputs with the vehicle's actual response. If the actual response falls outside a calculated response range -- i.e., the vehicle is beginning to understeer severely -- VSA automatically attempts to intervene with corrective action. In the case of understeer (where the vehicle continues in a straight line rather than turning), VSA applies braking to the inside front wheel and reduces engine power -- helping to bring the car back onto the driver's intended line. In the event of oversteer (which can lead to a spin), VSA applies braking to the outside front wheel to counter the unintended yawing tendency.
Because driver control is so crucial to the enjoyment of a fine sporting automobile, the Acura VSA system has been carefully designed to add stability and handling poise without negating the car's dynamic responsiveness.
An indicator light on the instrument panel alerts the driver whenever the VSA system is actively enhancing the vehicle's stability. VSA can be disabled using a cockpit switch. The standard ABS system remains fully functional.
For enhanced driver control during hard cornering and accident-avoidance maneuvers, the 2002 TL Type-S is equipped with a standard Acura Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) system similar to the system first unveiled in the 2000 model year on the 3.5 RL flagship sedan.
Integrating TCS, ABS, and stability enhancement processes, the VSA system constantly monitors eight vehicle sensors that compare the driver's control inputs with the vehicle's actual response. If the actual response falls outside a calculated response range -- i.e., the vehicle is beginning to understeer severely -- VSA automatically attempts to intervene with corrective action. In the case of understeer (where the vehicle continues in a straight line rather than turning), VSA applies braking to the inside front wheel and reduces engine power -- helping to bring the car back onto the driver's intended line. In the event of oversteer (which can lead to a spin), VSA applies braking to the outside front wheel to counter the unintended yawing tendency.
Because driver control is so crucial to the enjoyment of a fine sporting automobile, the Acura VSA system has been carefully designed to add stability and handling poise without negating the car's dynamic responsiveness.
An indicator light on the instrument panel alerts the driver whenever the VSA system is actively enhancing the vehicle's stability. VSA can be disabled using a cockpit switch. The standard ABS system remains fully functional.
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Thanks Ken1997TL for your info. For once I actually knew what I was talking about :-)
Seriously tho, this was a MAJOR topic for me when I got my TL. IMHO the TCS system is a battle of the engine and the brakes. I lose in the end, in my opinion. I wanted a system like my '95 Legend LS Coupe which ALSO reduced the engine power (in addition to applying the brakes) if slippage occurred. So the brakes and the engine were not duking it out while I'm trying to drive. Hence why I coughed up $2k extra for the TL-S over the TL-P.
Seriously tho, this was a MAJOR topic for me when I got my TL. IMHO the TCS system is a battle of the engine and the brakes. I lose in the end, in my opinion. I wanted a system like my '95 Legend LS Coupe which ALSO reduced the engine power (in addition to applying the brakes) if slippage occurred. So the brakes and the engine were not duking it out while I'm trying to drive. Hence why I coughed up $2k extra for the TL-S over the TL-P.
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Originally Posted by scottt
Seriously tho, this was a MAJOR topic for me when I got my TL. IMHO the TCS system is a battle of the engine and the brakes. I lose in the end, in my opinion. I wanted a system like my '95 Legend LS Coupe which ALSO reduced the engine power (in addition to applying the brakes) if slippage occurred. So the brakes and the engine were not duking it out while I'm trying to drive. Hence why I coughed up $2k extra for the TL-S over the TL-P.
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