2K2 TLS

What do you guys think about this situation:

Supercharged 2002 TLS w/ springs, sways, strut bars, exhaust, upgraded cross drilled rotors w/ pads and steel lines, upgraded rims to 235 40 r18.

vs.

Stock 2002 bmw m3.

chrism7855

hey 2k2 TLS... im curious about how 19"s look on a TL. you got a pic of your car?

Crzy Acura

Sounds like you would need one bad ass tranny! But i think if you had a proper tranny then it may come close, you have to remember what the TLS is lacking is torque!

2K2 TLS

i should have some up by next week.

Yemeni TL-S

I would rather get the BM, beacuse the price difference between a stock 2002 m3 and a tls as you described isnt much but the performance is. only plus you got goin' for you is that the tls is much bigger inside.

Plus M3's look soooooooooo much nicer, i think.

2K2 TLS

with the sc wont the torque be pushed up a good deal? im thinking like 260lbs or so. how about the handling? anywhere close with those upgrades?

2K2 TLS

i know 99% of tl owners would rather have a m3 as would i but my question is on performance, how close can we get. not which would you like.

chrism7855

i would have to disagree with m3 looking nicer. i guess it depends on the taste you have... personally, the m3 is too small. i would say the m5 looks nicer.. im just not a big fan of coupes. not practical. that whole thing about getting out of the car to let someone in and out of the back seat. kind of annoying.

AC

Sorry, spring, sways and fatter rubbers do help your handling, but at best it will equal a 330 non sport's ability. You have to drive an M3 and a modded TL/TLS to feel both, and sorry to say, not even close. Speed, well closer but still not close, unless the SC will push the thing to like 350HP and 340ish torque IMO, then we talkin a good race, but remember, 4th still sux on the a TL/TLS.

AzNTL

sorry to say dude... but i dont think a TL can ever roll with the new M3. the car at best will take the new Maxima and probably hang with the S2000 then the tranny blows up of course

AzNTL

man dats like a 20k difference between the car...

AzNTL

Stock TLS is 232lbs ft already now if ur talkin 260 dats isnt really much of an upgrade.... u have to know that stock m3 is 262 lbs ft of torque and has 333 hp STOCK!!! .. because our car is an automatic we lose alot of hp in the process ... AND when u hit 4th gear say BYE BYE... Dats the most disappointing thing i hafta say about the TL... the 4th gear just suck!

2K2 TLS

ok lets add another situation: for argument sake lets say the m3 is automatic as well. Lets also say the SC will push our TLS to 330 hp and 282lb/ft torque. Im sure we would still lose but it would be close then i would think.

Guest

M3 is def much cooler. i don't know why their are so many topics of modded tl-s vs. m3. This is such a poor topic. No way in H#ll can a tl-s keep pace with a m3. totally diff class. m3 beats the tl-s in evey single performance catagory. accel, braking, cornering max speed, saloom. we should be racing maximas and is300 not m3's. its seems like you guys are obsessed with the m3, and your dream is to one day beat an m3. the only way that is gonna happen is when the m3 is parked with the engine off.

AzNTL

If you follow the M3 or read up on it the Automatics are VERY CLOSE or infact JUST AS FAST as the Manual... its Suppose to be the fastest automatics around as in gear shifting. and to me the only way you'll ever beat an m3 is that he is going in reverse

2K2 TLS

I know the M3 is better man. I wanted to find out thoughts on getting our cars to perform better using the M3 as a platform. No matter where your car is on the todom poll you always want to shoot for the top dog, but not way too far up.

matt7184

The New M3 only comes in 6spd manual or 6spd SMGII. The STOCK 6 speed runs low 13s. SMGII may be able to dip into the 12s all STOCK. A TLS will need some SERIOUS work to come close, a supercharger or NOS will probably not do it.

matt7184

Also, the TLS with all the suspension mods I can think of (sticking with stock chassis) will not touch an M3 in handling, unless you put the M3 on some cheap ****ty economy tires and give the TLS slicks :p

AzNTL

if you want you car to handle like an M3 and accelerates and brake like an m3 i would just save that money and down for a new car dude.... to be honest with you the m3 is just way outta our league... id say get urself some springs new tires for handleing and intake and header at most for performance. but idea of the SC is just too risky considering out trany can go out any time.

2K2 TLS

how about a Supercharged and suspention modded s2000 vs. a stock m3.

Guest

The TL-s will beet the m3 if the m3 didn't have any tires.

<<Supercharged TLS vs. New M3>>

But really, i did need the laugh

Muahaaahaaha.

Mr Hyde

This pointless thread was already posted. Even if you could match the M3 in a straight line, in the twisties its all over.