Hi,

After driving a M3 for some time, I"ve become accustomed to sport shifting with teh SMG on the BMW. If I do a lot of S/S mode in teh TL, do you think it'll increase the tranny failure rate? Also, I currently have 65K miles on the car, do you think my tranny will fail even? I'm hoping it's one of the TL's with "good trannies"--if that even exists.

 

What year?

It's luck of the draw. Sometimes you get a good one, sometimes you get bad ones repeatedly.

 

its going to fail wether you use it or not. and not to dampen your spirits, but my first tranny made it to 79k

 

i made it to 92k!, but considering i bought my car at 90k it didnt take long for the tranny the shoot me in the ass

 

my first went after 50k miles, then the second at 59k miles... soo it all depends on your luck...

i acutally did read on a thread before that using the S/S mode DOES increase the likelihood of the tranny failing due to YOU shifting rather than the car doing it itself... i duno thass wat i read i dont know how much of that is true

good luck with everything

 

thats not true. it still shifts the same way wether the computer does it or you tell the computer to do it

 

2001 with 65K miles...so ya.thanks for all ur input...I think,...*if* mine failed...replace under warranty and get another Car altogether...cuz...why the fuck should i keep a car with a known problem?

I better have gotten a good one.

 

Asked and answered many times; the sport shift has no relation to failed trannies. If your's is defective its gonna go no matter what.

 

Ride dat bitch till the wheels fall off .......or till the tranny fails

 

thanks for all that info...

 

I have a great tranny....after each one is changed! The good things about the tranny failure is that I've never had a problem getting a new one. Tranny #5 baby!

 

what you need to do is switch the wires around so that the Plus is minus and the Minus is Plus. (the way honda should have done it)

 

Wrong thread?

 

the only difference is that when using the S/S you can hold the tranny in gear longer and down shift at a higher RPM which does put stress on the tranny, now having said that I do it all the time and have only changed out one tranny at approx 157000kms (about 96000 miles) and have another 55000miles on the 2nd tranny and still going strong.
Peace, Jeff

 

but its the clutch packs that allw slipage between shifts that go bad.

 

no just felt like adding that since they were talking about SS

 

Gotcha.

 

From what I understood using S/S and forcing the car to redline a lot in 2nd gear will cause transmission failure. However that was before the recall. If you go in to the dealer for the recall they are supposed to install a lubricant injector for your transmission which focuses primarily on that 2nd gear. However I'm not sure how well that lubricant injector will work if you're always racing people at stop lights .

 

that isnt the cause of our failures. the oil jet kit was to help keep the 2nd gear shaft properly lubricated. VERY few have ever had the 2nd gear shaft failure. we all have teh 3rd gear clutch pack failure which the oil jet kit does nothing for

 

Agreed. Honda stated in the recall publication that there has only been one incident where the second gear actually failed, and that they are performing the recall voluntarily to ensure the safety of their customers.

Puh-lease

Just on this forum alone, we've probably had hundreds upon hundreds of documented cases where the third gear failed. This is the cause of the majority of transmission failures in our cars, and yet Honda won't perform a recall.

The second gear recall was just a publicity stunt to fool the public into thinking that "the transmission problem" has been addressed. What the public doesn't know is that the recall deals with a totally different, unrelated and rare problem. So why did Honda do this? It's cheaper to install oil jet kits than to fix the third gear problem.

I like Honda and all, but this is a cheap move, and a slap in our faces. When my brother got a new car a couple of months ago, the TL was a strong contender among the choices, and we both knew that if he were to get the TL, he would get the 6-speed without a doubt. And now that's what he has. 2G, 3G, they are both great cars, especially for the money. It's unfortunate that it had to have such a weak link.

And now the 6-speed units are having problems with blown oil seals, and a mysterious chattering/clicking noise. Honda should just quit doing transmissions and outsource to General Motors. BMW used GM's automatic transmission in their last generation 5-series. Honda should do that, too, since it's evident that they don't know how to do transmissions depsite their excellence in engine-building.

 

i dont know why honda is having such a hard time with their trannies??? hell the manuals are still world renowned for being teh best and smoothest shifting on the market. every magazine compares the tranny their testing to the honda. Its not like they cant handle teh power, they have been making 4 banger trannies that can handle upwards of 400 hp with out modification

 

Exactly. Most notably, the Integra transmission. I know guys who are pushing 300-400 fwhp on the stock transmissions and they are holding up exceptionally well.

Why did we have to get stuck with the shitty one!?

 

i had about 380 hp on my 88 prelude and that handled it for over 50k (i ended up breaking a pin on the differential which i replaced with a LS and never had a prob after that). We are getting the shaft now days (that and teh stupid cars are being built in the GOOD OL USofA thats teh problem!

 

Auto transmissions are a lot more complex than manual ones because of the additional mechanical parts, solenoids, and computer shift program, etc. Plus the fact that this is Honda's 1st crack at the 5-speed automatic box. But I must agree that manual transmissions can withstand a lot more torque and horsepower. The 6-speed manual in the final year release CL-S does hold up very well.

 

we were talking about the new 6speed manuals having some issues as well now not just the autos, we know they are more complex and have issues

 

hey man. i have a 99TL which all has a 4-speed automatic box (which honda has been putting in their cars for years and years), but my first tranny went at 68K miles and my second one is about to pretty damn soon. im already feeling slippage, im pretty close to 80k miles now.

 

My 02 TLS has just turned 100,000 km and I had it in for some A/C work and the dealer installed the oil jet kit at the same time. I have never had a stitch of tranny problems until they installed the kit. On the way home from the dealership, it started slipping and finally went away altogether the next day. Up unitl that point, I always felt I was one of the lucky ones because I never had a stitch of trouble with the tranny. Makes me wonder what the heck they did ( or did not do) when they installed the kit.

 

it has nothing to do with the kit or how they installed it. its just pure coincidence. the tranny will be fine in the morning then all of asudden it will be bad after lunch. thats just the way they are

 

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