Hi,

Writing from Japan again.

Through enjoying this forum, I have noticed that the sift positions of my 2002 Saber are different from the ones of TL in the USA.

Mine is as follows.

P
R
N
D (1-5 automatic)
D3 (1-3 automatic)
2 (2nd gear hold)
1 (1st gear hold)

I have never used the position "1" but "2" is great when I start my Saber on snow.

Is yours P,R,N,D5,D4.D3 and 2-1??

If it is, don't you need to have "2" ((2nd gear hold)?

 

The 1999 TL here had a 4-speed automatic. The 2000+ models have a 5 speed auto. The shift gate in the 4 speed is exactly like yours, but obviously "D" means 4th gear, not 4th and 5th.
The 5-speed model's shift gate is similar to yours, except that your 1 is where our 2 is. To get to 1 we must pull the lever to the left. See this pic for clarification (this is a pic of my former 2000 TL)

Also, I'm 99% sure that our 2 position is a 2nd gear hold, as well.

 

Yes

The 2 is 2nd gear hold.

 

RAdams, Bitium

Thank you for the input.
Now it is clear that yours have actually 8 positions.
The difference from mine is that I don't have D4 that is 1-4 automatic without 5th cruising gear.

I think that your are cool

 

Hey my friend in Japan,

you think our TL is better than your SABER for just that?? How about all the goodies that you can get from Japan on your SABER???

BE PROUD OF YOUR SABER!!!

 

I agree, besides, JDM Inspire/Saber interior looks more luxurious with wood/leather steering... and 2-tone dashboard in Parchment interior...

Andy Kuo

 

Songoku, AKRY

Thank you very much for the reply.
Yes, I am proud of my Saber

But it is interesting why the equipments of Saber is so differnt from the ones of TL.
Shift position is different, it is curious.
Moonroof, cruise control, anti-theft and heated mirrors, we cannot get them at all.
DVD-Navi, it looks similar but I am not sure if yours can carry memory cards in it.

By the way, it is true that this vehicle is really exciting one!

 

Just curious is there a diff between the Inspire and the Sabre????

 

No in functionally but yes in some design identities

The differences are:

1. Front grill
2. Rear combination lamp
3. Emblems
4. Alloy wheels

And finally dealer channels are different.
The list prices are also same.

 

Is one model considered more luxurious or sportier than the other? I'm just curious as to why Honda would market what's essentially the exact same car through such different means.

 

As far as I know, HONDA originally indented to have three channels with three different characters.
However since HONDA now has many models, the difference of the characters cannot be recognized clearly.

Clio for luxury cars.
Verno for sporty cars
Primo for small cars

At present HONDA sells their cars as follows.

Note that Saber and Inspire are same as I described and Accord and Torneo are same also.

[Only for Clio]
Legend (RL) http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/legend/
Accord http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/accordeuro_r/
Inspire (TL) http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/inspire/
Lagreat http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/lagreat/
Avancier http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/avancier/
Accord Wagon http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/accord_wagon/
S-MX http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/s_mx/

[Only for Verno]
NSX http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/nsx/
S-2000 http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/s2000/
Integra http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/integra_r/
Insite http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/insight
CR-V http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/cr-v/
HR-V http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/hr-v/

[Only for Primo]
Civic http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/civic/
Orthia http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/orthia_v/

[Only for Primo and Verno]
Saber http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/saber/
Torneo http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/torneoeuro_r/
Capa http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/capa/

[For all three]
Odyssey http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/odyssey/
Stepwagon http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/stepwgn/
Stream http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/stream/
Fit http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/fit/
Mibilo http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/mobilio/

 

Thanks for showing us the links. I will check out all the different ones.

 

Do they have the TypeS in Japan too?

 

They have Type S in Japan alright...

As for lack of D4... I guess I can answer that(well, my best guess any way).... "4" in Chinese pronounce very close to the word "Death", and therefore eliminated to suit the culture better.....

If you ever ride an elevator in Asia, you would notice there is no 4th floor...

Andy Kuo

 

:wow: Serious?! they actually eliminate the 4th floor cause of that? wow....so they would have more then one 8th floor then? I think it's time to visit Asia, and learn my own culture....I'm way too ABC

 

Andy,

You are funny
Well, it is true that the number "4" is not a good number. Let's say number "13" in western countries.

However we have 4th floor in buildings.
And my previous HONDA Ascot Innova did have the shift positions such as P, R, N, D4, D3, 2 and 1 as it had 4 speed automatic.

But Andy is right.
In very old buildings sometimes there is no 4th floor and in some hotels the room numbers are for example, 501, 502, 503 and 505. No 504.

 

In Taiwan, tags doesn't end with a 4. So, you might have HYZ-440 but never ABC-124

 

Wow, I have visited Taiwan more than 40 times but I have never noticed the fact.

In Chinese related countries I know that "8" is the greatest number.
Therefore I heard that the license plate with the number of "8888" there can be sold with a very high price.

 

yet true... people used to be crazy about that 8888 thing...

I have hread that the highest price they went for is about US $20000 for a very special tag... I think it was 8888... I am sure the whole detail but damn... that's a lot for just a tag... That was few years ago, when the economy was doing well, and they don't have personalized plate there back then, not sure about, now.


even cellphone numbers can be auctioned for a price.

The highest it went was about US $30000, that was around last year. The number was 091-234-5678.

 

It's not that surprising - I mean there are some commercial building in North America without the 13th floor. Different numbers, same difference.

 

yeah ray when you go to take me along for the ride, so i can get stuff for my ride

 

true I was thinking the same thing. Do any of you work in a building with a 13th floor?

 

haha, c'mon man! let's visit JapaN! We can get parts....and....girls at night.....HEHEHEE

so how about those sky highs? do they have a 187th floor?

 

Parts - I am sure you can.
Girls? - I am not sure.It is up to you
The tallest building in Japan has only 70 floors with 296m (approx. 971ft) high

 

I might be wrong but didnt you say you bought the Saber with the 2.5 liter engine? if so then I think your D is actually D4 which means you have the 4-speed transmission... if you had the Type-S with the 3.2 liter engine then you would have D5... I could be wrong though... whatever happened with the cruise control situation?

 

Well, in April 2001 HONDA minor changed Saber/Inspire including 5-speed transmission for both 2.5 and 3.2 Type-S.
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/saber/grade_data/
At the same timing, HONDA introduced Type-S but I know that Type-S for Japan has the same shift positions as 2.5 has.
Engine of Type-S is same as the one in your country.

I could find out that it is quite complicated to install cruise control to mine because I could get so many information and comments on this forum.
Now I am enjoying driving using SS on highways instead of cruising steadily

 

putting it in "2" on our TL's also allows u to start in second - my TBird was like that which was handy in snow in winter............ specially RWD

 

ok Ray we can go to japan and i would love to get parts and since you seem to know all the hotties you can help me with the girlies.

 

so i guess everyone is envious of me... my sn on aim is KaMLuNg888 and i got a personalized license plat for my car CHAU888... chau is my last name... i have known for this superstision a while thats why i do it.. nice to know other ppl know what my name means now... later everyone

 

sorry dude i'm not really envious of you cause ui really don't care but if it makes you feel good then hey who am i to say.

 

its all love my fellow TL bro.. hehehehe