Serious 3.2 problem. Please help me
10-06-2001 | 02:45 AM
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Serious 3.2 problem. Please help me
Okay.. I had a accident in march. Some car hits my passenger side rear wheel and made me rotate 360. My car did not have any noticeable damage on the body and rim. But anyhow.. body shop changed my rim and repainted the thing near under the rear door. (whatever is that called).. After that, i had another accident on highway, which I lost controll and went into a spin.. then hits the guardrail and my bumpers and headlights were replaced. Right after that fix, I went back to china for my summer vacation. Now i'm back and driving my lovely 3.2 and guess what.. I'm losing controll of it every now and then.
Just today, I was driving on DVP. I know that my car is screwed up somehow, but i dunno where. Whenever i go over a little bump, or those water drain covers on the street (u know.. that thing ninjia turtle lifts up on the street to go underground? hehe).. ... anyways.. when my front wheels go over those, it's fine. I would just feel a normal hump ... but when my back wheel goes over it.. (no matter left or right)... my whole car shifts to the side. if the left wheel goes over that bump, the car would swing to the left. ( The back of the car)... and it shift to the right for right wheel. It feels like as if someone is giving u a great push at the back (sideway) of ur car.. u know.. they push u from the left and makes ur back rotates?? that kinda feeling.
like this (0 is the back wheels)
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0.........0
|_____| <--- they push it here... so ur back moves to the left?? hehe
Back to the DVP highway thing... it's raining today.. and i was driving at 90km/h. Guess what.. my car just suddently moves to the middle to the road~ I should say, the back of my car....it feels like a backswing understeering(or is that overstreeing?) kinda thing.. so i steer to the left to keep my nose stright.. however, the steering wheel feels so light... and as i turn it.. i can't feel the grip on road. That freaked me out.. I know now not to hit the brake in a situation like this... so i let go of the gas and it slowed down.. and i was almost in the middle lane on highway. At that time, my speed was 85 or 80... so i drove at that speed... then it swings again.. and again.. and again.... and when i exits the highway (bayview/bloor)... i turned right and my back swings and swings and swing again.... I felt like if i'm driving a rally car in sand or something man....
All you people are car pros here.. c'mon.. help me out.. in your opinon.. what could be wrong? Suspension? or whateveR? Please.. gimme some ideas so that i can bring it back to the dealer for fix...
the swinging thing doesn't just come out at rainny days... even during hot sunny days.. if i drive around 110km/h and i turn... it would swing too......... i feel unsafe driving now..... i'm so sad.
Here is the picture of that 1st impact i got.......
Any idea?? Please help me.........and thanks for reading my long message.
- Riceboy TL (i'm a riceboy coz i eat rice.. not coz i rice my car~)
hehe
Just today, I was driving on DVP. I know that my car is screwed up somehow, but i dunno where. Whenever i go over a little bump, or those water drain covers on the street (u know.. that thing ninjia turtle lifts up on the street to go underground? hehe).. ... anyways.. when my front wheels go over those, it's fine. I would just feel a normal hump ... but when my back wheel goes over it.. (no matter left or right)... my whole car shifts to the side. if the left wheel goes over that bump, the car would swing to the left. ( The back of the car)... and it shift to the right for right wheel. It feels like as if someone is giving u a great push at the back (sideway) of ur car.. u know.. they push u from the left and makes ur back rotates?? that kinda feeling.
like this (0 is the back wheels)
|..........|
0.........0
|_____| <--- they push it here... so ur back moves to the left?? hehe
Back to the DVP highway thing... it's raining today.. and i was driving at 90km/h. Guess what.. my car just suddently moves to the middle to the road~ I should say, the back of my car....it feels like a backswing understeering(or is that overstreeing?) kinda thing.. so i steer to the left to keep my nose stright.. however, the steering wheel feels so light... and as i turn it.. i can't feel the grip on road. That freaked me out.. I know now not to hit the brake in a situation like this... so i let go of the gas and it slowed down.. and i was almost in the middle lane on highway. At that time, my speed was 85 or 80... so i drove at that speed... then it swings again.. and again.. and again.... and when i exits the highway (bayview/bloor)... i turned right and my back swings and swings and swing again.... I felt like if i'm driving a rally car in sand or something man....
All you people are car pros here.. c'mon.. help me out.. in your opinon.. what could be wrong? Suspension? or whateveR? Please.. gimme some ideas so that i can bring it back to the dealer for fix...
the swinging thing doesn't just come out at rainny days... even during hot sunny days.. if i drive around 110km/h and i turn... it would swing too......... i feel unsafe driving now..... i'm so sad.
Here is the picture of that 1st impact i got.......
Any idea?? Please help me.........and thanks for reading my long message.
- Riceboy TL (i'm a riceboy coz i eat rice.. not coz i rice my car~)
hehe
10-06-2001 | 08:53 AM
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Okay, since you had an accident before, there are a few things that you should check.
1. Make sure that all 4 corners of your tire pressure.
2. try to push on the trunk, like press it hard, and see how your shocks react, it could be that one of your shock is gone
3. It is also possible that your alingment is off
4. Check the wear on your tires, do you do a lot E-brake 180s? if so, that will wear out your tires real quick
5. It might be the fact that the chasis is bent, but if that's the case, you should have felt the difference long before that.
6. I would say the part of your suspension parts are done, I would look into the Control arm, upper/lower A-arms. Make sure that everything is tighten up. Take it back to the dealer/bodyshop, and see what's up, this should be convered under your insurance.
1. Make sure that all 4 corners of your tire pressure.
2. try to push on the trunk, like press it hard, and see how your shocks react, it could be that one of your shock is gone
3. It is also possible that your alingment is off
4. Check the wear on your tires, do you do a lot E-brake 180s? if so, that will wear out your tires real quick
5. It might be the fact that the chasis is bent, but if that's the case, you should have felt the difference long before that.
6. I would say the part of your suspension parts are done, I would look into the Control arm, upper/lower A-arms. Make sure that everything is tighten up. Take it back to the dealer/bodyshop, and see what's up, this should be convered under your insurance.
10-06-2001 | 12:07 PM
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OK... This is my opinion...
Here is what you can do....
1. Go back to the shop where you fix your car for the first accident. Have them give you the repair order(it will show what the bodyshop have done to your car. Which part they replaced.) Then look at the suspension section, try to see what kind of part they replaced. Make sure to check what kind of suspension parts have been replaced. Compare with insurance estimate. Have them give you the alignment reading sheet. Make sure the alignment reading was OK. If it was OK, go to the second shop where you fix your car for the second accident and do the same thing. If you can't find any problem, then take it to the alignment shop or mechanic shop and have them check your suspension.
Maybe if you can give me what kind of parts have been replaced to your car, I can tell you what to do next.
Here is what you can do....
1. Go back to the shop where you fix your car for the first accident. Have them give you the repair order(it will show what the bodyshop have done to your car. Which part they replaced.) Then look at the suspension section, try to see what kind of part they replaced. Make sure to check what kind of suspension parts have been replaced. Compare with insurance estimate. Have them give you the alignment reading sheet. Make sure the alignment reading was OK. If it was OK, go to the second shop where you fix your car for the second accident and do the same thing. If you can't find any problem, then take it to the alignment shop or mechanic shop and have them check your suspension.
Maybe if you can give me what kind of parts have been replaced to your car, I can tell you what to do next.
10-06-2001 | 01:56 PM
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riceboy_TL...
This sounds very much that you might have some frame damage. Sometimes this is very difficult to spot by just looking at the car after an accident. You have to put it up on a lift and have it checked out by a qualified mechanic.
I know I was rear-ended (in my Grand AM) on the 401... and it looked like all I needed was a new rear bumper... but when I took it in for an estimate they inspected the frame and chasis and it needed $5000 work in frame damage.!!!
This sounds very much that you might have some frame damage. Sometimes this is very difficult to spot by just looking at the car after an accident. You have to put it up on a lift and have it checked out by a qualified mechanic.
I know I was rear-ended (in my Grand AM) on the 401... and it looked like all I needed was a new rear bumper... but when I took it in for an estimate they inspected the frame and chasis and it needed $5000 work in frame damage.!!!
10-06-2001 | 02:47 PM
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Thank you all for fast replies.
Here is another problem. My old insurance company paid for my fix, and then terminated my insruance policy. So i had to look for a new insurance company.... and i got one just last week.
If the mechanics found out indeed it's some serious damage like chasis, control arms and stuff.. i'm sure it won't be covered under warrenty right? They'll know it's caused by accident.
How am I gonna ask the old insurance comany to cover that expense to fix it? Since those damages were caused in those accidents while i was with the old insurance company.. and they did not fully fix it. So, it should be covered by them right? Arrrr.. i can see it'll be a lengthy process again... lots of arguments over the phone and fax and explaination...........
So.. should I report this to my new insurance or old one? ^^
Here is another problem. My old insurance company paid for my fix, and then terminated my insruance policy. So i had to look for a new insurance company.... and i got one just last week.
If the mechanics found out indeed it's some serious damage like chasis, control arms and stuff.. i'm sure it won't be covered under warrenty right? They'll know it's caused by accident.
How am I gonna ask the old insurance comany to cover that expense to fix it? Since those damages were caused in those accidents while i was with the old insurance company.. and they did not fully fix it. So, it should be covered by them right? Arrrr.. i can see it'll be a lengthy process again... lots of arguments over the phone and fax and explaination...........
So.. should I report this to my new insurance or old one? ^^
10-06-2001 | 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by songoku
OK... This is my opinion...
Here is what you can do....
1. Go back to the shop where you fix your car for the first accident. Have them give you the repair order(it will show what the bodyshop have done to your car. Which part they replaced.) Then look at the suspension section, try to see what kind of part they replaced. Make sure to check what kind of suspension parts have been replaced. Compare with insurance estimate. Have them give you the alignment reading sheet. Make sure the alignment reading was OK. If it was OK, go to the second shop where you fix your car for the second accident and do the same thing. If you can't find any problem, then take it to the alignment shop or mechanic shop and have them check your suspension.
Maybe if you can give me what kind of parts have been replaced to your car, I can tell you what to do next.
OK... This is my opinion...
Here is what you can do....
1. Go back to the shop where you fix your car for the first accident. Have them give you the repair order(it will show what the bodyshop have done to your car. Which part they replaced.) Then look at the suspension section, try to see what kind of part they replaced. Make sure to check what kind of suspension parts have been replaced. Compare with insurance estimate. Have them give you the alignment reading sheet. Make sure the alignment reading was OK. If it was OK, go to the second shop where you fix your car for the second accident and do the same thing. If you can't find any problem, then take it to the alignment shop or mechanic shop and have them check your suspension.
Maybe if you can give me what kind of parts have been replaced to your car, I can tell you what to do next.
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10-06-2001 | 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by SL1200MK4
Okay, since you had an accident before, there are a few things that you should check.
1. Make sure that all 4 corners of your tire pressure.
2. try to push on the trunk, like press it hard, and see how your shocks react, it could be that one of your shock is gone
3. It is also possible that your alingment is off
4. Check the wear on your tires, do you do a lot E-brake 180s? if so, that will wear out your tires real quick
5. It might be the fact that the chasis is bent, but if that's the case, you should have felt the difference long before that.
6. I would say the part of your suspension parts are done, I would look into the Control arm, upper/lower A-arms. Make sure that everything is tighten up. Take it back to the dealer/bodyshop, and see what's up, this should be convered under your insurance.
Okay, since you had an accident before, there are a few things that you should check.
1. Make sure that all 4 corners of your tire pressure.
2. try to push on the trunk, like press it hard, and see how your shocks react, it could be that one of your shock is gone
3. It is also possible that your alingment is off
4. Check the wear on your tires, do you do a lot E-brake 180s? if so, that will wear out your tires real quick
5. It might be the fact that the chasis is bent, but if that's the case, you should have felt the difference long before that.
6. I would say the part of your suspension parts are done, I would look into the Control arm, upper/lower A-arms. Make sure that everything is tighten up. Take it back to the dealer/bodyshop, and see what's up, this should be convered under your insurance.
for the shock check... how do i know if it's good or not? Push on the truck.. if it jumps back that means it's good?
alignment must be great.. they did it 2 times at the body shop.. and my dad made the missisagua ppl checked it once more when he had the 2nd service (tire rotate and stuff) during the summer.
I hope the chasis if fine... probably there are some damages to the arms and stuff tho..... man... i'm so sad
Thanx for the help.... ^_^
10-06-2001 | 03:51 PM
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Of course, the old insurance company will pay for the damage if you can prove those damages related on the first accident. It's not matter whether your policy cancelled or not. You were insured at the time of the accident.
That bodyshop suppose to tell you what kind of parts have been replaced. Compare with the insurance estimate. If the bodyshop refuse to give you the repair order, call the insurance company(that you were with when the first accident) and ask to call the bodyshop and collect the repair order from the bodyshop. Good luck
That bodyshop suppose to tell you what kind of parts have been replaced. Compare with the insurance estimate. If the bodyshop refuse to give you the repair order, call the insurance company(that you were with when the first accident) and ask to call the bodyshop and collect the repair order from the bodyshop. Good luck
10-06-2001 | 04:10 PM
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Thanx Sangoku...
I'll call the body shop and see what they say. Lucky that my dad is back... u know.. I'm like 23.. and people won't give much respect if i go talk to them.. ehhe.. my old man is cool. They treat him like a king or something. Man.. age matters... perhaps I should comb my hair and wear a suit now huh.
Well... No matter what the result is.. We will sell this TL and get a MBenz SUV for me. I love 3.2 TL.. and i love Acura.. but... Acura dealers, services just suck too much in Toronto. Can't take it no more.......
If the insurance won't cover it... that'll just make my dad try to sell the car faster... we will let the next owner to worry about these fixes ... arrg...
I'll call the body shop and see what they say. Lucky that my dad is back... u know.. I'm like 23.. and people won't give much respect if i go talk to them.. ehhe.. my old man is cool. They treat him like a king or something. Man.. age matters... perhaps I should comb my hair and wear a suit now huh.
Well... No matter what the result is.. We will sell this TL and get a MBenz SUV for me. I love 3.2 TL.. and i love Acura.. but... Acura dealers, services just suck too much in Toronto. Can't take it no more.......
If the insurance won't cover it... that'll just make my dad try to sell the car faster... we will let the next owner to worry about these fixes ... arrg...
10-06-2001 | 04:15 PM
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As an adjuster I can tell you , you have a year from the date of the accident to make a claim. After that you are SOL. I would have your vehicle assessed a a reputable body shop for a 2nd opinion and get that opinion in writing. You should try out Acura 2000 in Brampton as they have an on site body shop. I dont know how good they are, but I have been happy with my purchase there and one oil change.
10-06-2001 | 10:32 PM
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Riceboy,
The way your car is behaving is real scary....i'd carefully drive that thing back to the mechanics and have it looked at now and get to the bottom of this. Oh, since u mentioned possibly selling it, if i were a careful buyer and took this car out for a test drive and found this out, obviously there's no way i'd ever buy it. So think twice about trying to sell a car that runs dangerously, this could come back to haunt you big time, more than any sane person would want to be involved in.
Good luck
The way your car is behaving is real scary....i'd carefully drive that thing back to the mechanics and have it looked at now and get to the bottom of this. Oh, since u mentioned possibly selling it, if i were a careful buyer and took this car out for a test drive and found this out, obviously there's no way i'd ever buy it. So think twice about trying to sell a car that runs dangerously, this could come back to haunt you big time, more than any sane person would want to be involved in.
Good luck
10-07-2001 | 01:17 AM
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Yep...
First of all I would like to say that I AM SO SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THAT!!! Again, I FEEL YOU BRO!!! The services you get with Acura in Toronto is a joke... SERIOUSLY!!! I can't imagine people buy a 2nd Acura with those services and the way they treat people...
Now, the old insurance company will still be responsible for the accidents, as long as you were insured by them...
DON"T TRY TO SELL THE CAR!!! Especially privately!!! For the reason that some others pointed out!!!
Now, from what I see, I believe that there's a problem with your suspension. Now you have to know that the way our unequal double wishbone suspension suffers camber change when going over bumps, which is normal. However if your chasis got problems, then it upset the balance of your car (the rear in this case). Perhaps you suffer more geometery changes then normal?
Again, I can't say anything for sure since I ain't no expert, but I can sure tell you that whenver your rear got lose, look and steer to the direction you want to go. Don't BRAKE, and don't ever let go of the gas until you get control of the car. Give more gas, transfer more weight to the back, so that the tire can find grip sooner.
Post the name of the bodyshop... We'll know and I will spread out the words for you man...
If you need a really good bodyshop, Mike does good work... I can give you his contacts, he used to own the TL and will be our TL bro 4ever...
But after all, get rid of the car man... With Acura, it ain't worth it... Lousy service & attitude is enough to get rid of it. Now, it's a safety issue, which gives you MORE reasons to get rid of it... good luck......
First of all I would like to say that I AM SO SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THAT!!! Again, I FEEL YOU BRO!!! The services you get with Acura in Toronto is a joke... SERIOUSLY!!! I can't imagine people buy a 2nd Acura with those services and the way they treat people...
Now, the old insurance company will still be responsible for the accidents, as long as you were insured by them...
DON"T TRY TO SELL THE CAR!!! Especially privately!!! For the reason that some others pointed out!!!
Now, from what I see, I believe that there's a problem with your suspension. Now you have to know that the way our unequal double wishbone suspension suffers camber change when going over bumps, which is normal. However if your chasis got problems, then it upset the balance of your car (the rear in this case). Perhaps you suffer more geometery changes then normal?
Again, I can't say anything for sure since I ain't no expert, but I can sure tell you that whenver your rear got lose, look and steer to the direction you want to go. Don't BRAKE, and don't ever let go of the gas until you get control of the car. Give more gas, transfer more weight to the back, so that the tire can find grip sooner.
Post the name of the bodyshop... We'll know and I will spread out the words for you man...
If you need a really good bodyshop, Mike does good work... I can give you his contacts, he used to own the TL and will be our TL bro 4ever...
But after all, get rid of the car man... With Acura, it ain't worth it... Lousy service & attitude is enough to get rid of it. Now, it's a safety issue, which gives you MORE reasons to get rid of it... good luck......
10-07-2001 | 02:08 AM
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Thank you all for replies~~
SL1200MK4... thanx for the long informative reply. Well.. when i said i'll sell it.. I don't mean sell this car privately and hope to get away with this. no nono.. i'll really feel bad if someone buys that and gets into a accident coz of that. Of course i'll tell them the problem and they would have to fix it themself... u know.. coz i don't wanna go through all those trouble fixing it and contacts insurance... Most likely it'll be a trade in deal with dealerships.. ..
my dad just rejected my idea of getting a MB SUV... haha.. so now i'm looking into BMW 3 series... MB's C class is just not my type~ well... after driving a TL, there is no way i'm going back to drive any HONDA or TOYOTA brand cars.. u know.. ACURA is like LEXUS and kinda like bmw/mb/audi class.. haha...
I dunno...... SL1200MK4, what r u gonna get man? after ur 3.2? I'm glad that i got a acura... if not.. i won't be a member of this forum~ Man.. this forum is a very big family to me.. it's cool to read and participate here...
anyhow... for now.. i'll just relax and bring it into the mechanics.. see what they say 1st..... no matter what.. my baby 3.2 is going. Damn.. it was his 1 year bday last week! :`( so sad...
For that bodyshop.... it's called hrm.. damn. i forgot it's name.. but it's at morningside and i think 401?? they sell MAZDA and they fix MAZDA/ACURA/HONDA... anyone know that place? It's ghetto... ... .... after they installed my bumpers right.. there is a paint gone on my bumper under the headlight (caused by bumper touching the bottom of headlight too closely) they told me they'll fix it.. and they did..... BY USING TOUCH UP PAINT!!!!! WHAT DA HECK. haha.. i mean.. at lesat my dealer replaced my bumper once for the same problem.
...
- one sad .:riceboy:.
SL1200MK4... thanx for the long informative reply. Well.. when i said i'll sell it.. I don't mean sell this car privately and hope to get away with this. no nono.. i'll really feel bad if someone buys that and gets into a accident coz of that. Of course i'll tell them the problem and they would have to fix it themself... u know.. coz i don't wanna go through all those trouble fixing it and contacts insurance... Most likely it'll be a trade in deal with dealerships.. ..
my dad just rejected my idea of getting a MB SUV... haha.. so now i'm looking into BMW 3 series... MB's C class is just not my type~ well... after driving a TL, there is no way i'm going back to drive any HONDA or TOYOTA brand cars.. u know.. ACURA is like LEXUS and kinda like bmw/mb/audi class.. haha...
I dunno...... SL1200MK4, what r u gonna get man? after ur 3.2? I'm glad that i got a acura... if not.. i won't be a member of this forum~ Man.. this forum is a very big family to me.. it's cool to read and participate here...
anyhow... for now.. i'll just relax and bring it into the mechanics.. see what they say 1st..... no matter what.. my baby 3.2 is going. Damn.. it was his 1 year bday last week! :`( so sad...
For that bodyshop.... it's called hrm.. damn. i forgot it's name.. but it's at morningside and i think 401?? they sell MAZDA and they fix MAZDA/ACURA/HONDA... anyone know that place? It's ghetto... ... .... after they installed my bumpers right.. there is a paint gone on my bumper under the headlight (caused by bumper touching the bottom of headlight too closely) they told me they'll fix it.. and they did..... BY USING TOUCH UP PAINT!!!!! WHAT DA HECK. haha.. i mean.. at lesat my dealer replaced my bumper once for the same problem.
...
- one sad .:riceboy:.
10-07-2001 | 02:48 AM
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Alright... I am glad that you are trading it in or at least let the buyer know about those problems... Then it will be a fair deal...
No need to thank me for nothing... I mean I totally understand how you feel and how you were treated by the dealers. After all I have been through it all myself...
Now, if you are SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY getting a BMW, I can get you any Bimmer you want with any option you want, any color, for 4% off the MRSP...Except M3/M5. Seriously... But the car will be shipped from a dealer from Van. Actually you just go pick up the car yourself at the Toronto port... Again I gain nothing out of this, but to gain a friend... You don't pay me, you pay the BMW dealer... I will give you all the info you need and you talk to them, not through me!!! PM me if you want or my ICQ 69580532.
What am I getting after the TL? Well, it's a touch decision. My car is leased so it's no as easy to get rid of it. Besides, I am study at UWO at London Ontario. The roads here are just !@$#%. So, I am dreaming for the WRX STi and keep my TL in the mean time... Damn it cost $25000 a year to go to the Ivey school of Business here, but it is one of the best for sure!!! So, gotta save up for education man...
I honestly don't know what to get other then the STi, or maybe I will get a Bimmer since I can get them for a good deal. But I doubt that I can even make it up to the drive way during the winter with the SP, even if I get snows... It's really bad and rough here... Then again, my Insurance will be sky high next year, and I don't think I can afford the insurance on the WRX, let alone the STi........
Enough BS... if you want the Bimmer... let me know... I ain't no kidding nor will I rip you off... I don't touch your money alone the process. Or if your dad wants a good sales person, I know one personally. A guy who will care and not just about selling cars... Oh, and as for the warranty on the Bimmer you get from Van, you get the full Warranty... Service is included in any dealers in BMW CANADA dealers... Save you a couple grand...
No need to thank me for nothing... I mean I totally understand how you feel and how you were treated by the dealers. After all I have been through it all myself...
Now, if you are SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY getting a BMW, I can get you any Bimmer you want with any option you want, any color, for 4% off the MRSP...Except M3/M5. Seriously... But the car will be shipped from a dealer from Van. Actually you just go pick up the car yourself at the Toronto port... Again I gain nothing out of this, but to gain a friend... You don't pay me, you pay the BMW dealer... I will give you all the info you need and you talk to them, not through me!!! PM me if you want or my ICQ 69580532.
What am I getting after the TL? Well, it's a touch decision. My car is leased so it's no as easy to get rid of it. Besides, I am study at UWO at London Ontario. The roads here are just !@$#%. So, I am dreaming for the WRX STi and keep my TL in the mean time... Damn it cost $25000 a year to go to the Ivey school of Business here, but it is one of the best for sure!!! So, gotta save up for education man...
I honestly don't know what to get other then the STi, or maybe I will get a Bimmer since I can get them for a good deal. But I doubt that I can even make it up to the drive way during the winter with the SP, even if I get snows... It's really bad and rough here... Then again, my Insurance will be sky high next year, and I don't think I can afford the insurance on the WRX, let alone the STi........
Enough BS... if you want the Bimmer... let me know... I ain't no kidding nor will I rip you off... I don't touch your money alone the process. Or if your dad wants a good sales person, I know one personally. A guy who will care and not just about selling cars... Oh, and as for the warranty on the Bimmer you get from Van, you get the full Warranty... Service is included in any dealers in BMW CANADA dealers... Save you a couple grand...
10-07-2001 | 02:53 AM
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BTW, it will be a brand new BMW, and not a demo...
As with the PDI, I am not sure how are you going to deal with that. You can have them ship from Van and do the PDI for you or you can get them to ship the car to another dealer at Toronto, and you pay the Toronto dealer for PDI... Either way will work...
Anyways, let me know if you are serious... I would love to see you in a Bimmer and see the smile on your face just knowing that you paid less then what others paid for... Or you can walk into the dealers in Toronto and don't settle for anything higher then 4% off MRSP...
As with the PDI, I am not sure how are you going to deal with that. You can have them ship from Van and do the PDI for you or you can get them to ship the car to another dealer at Toronto, and you pay the Toronto dealer for PDI... Either way will work...
Anyways, let me know if you are serious... I would love to see you in a Bimmer and see the smile on your face just knowing that you paid less then what others paid for... Or you can walk into the dealers in Toronto and don't settle for anything higher then 4% off MRSP...
10-08-2001 | 12:52 AM
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yo! that's awsome... u mean any color with option and i only pay the price that's %4 less than than MRSP? What's a van anyways? oh! U mean it's shiped from Vancouver? haha
i see i see..... and what's a PDI?that i dunno man.
i'll tell my dad about this.. it all depends on my old man! u know.. he da man!
> Or you can walk into the dealers in Toronto and don't settle for > anything higher then 4% off MRSP...
can u tell me more on this one? So.. if they r asking for a base price higher than 4% of the MRSP, then i shouldn't take that deal right? Freaking BMW's options/package are so expensive.. =( same goes for all european cars tho... oh well..
i see i see..... and what's a PDI?that i dunno man.
i'll tell my dad about this.. it all depends on my old man! u know.. he da man!
> Or you can walk into the dealers in Toronto and don't settle for > anything higher then 4% off MRSP...
can u tell me more on this one? So.. if they r asking for a base price higher than 4% of the MRSP, then i shouldn't take that deal right? Freaking BMW's options/package are so expensive.. =( same goes for all european cars tho... oh well..
10-08-2001 | 12:58 AM
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yo! bro, what's a wrx sti? is that the newest wrx? I dunno.. i love the old model better... in japan they call it WRC ... it's amazing.. 555) rally car.. hehe ^_^
i do'nt like the new WRX... the headlight looks like NEON... :`(
i do'nt like the new WRX... the headlight looks like NEON... :`(
10-08-2001 | 07:07 AM
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okay the WRX STi is the 280hp version that sells in Japan, and Europe. With all the insiders that I talked to working in Subaru (not those dealer guys!!) They are bring it into Canada. Compared to the regular WRX it will have:
8000rpm
280hp
6spd gearbox
climate control (have the stupid manual thing)
2 tone interior
Brembo brakes
17' wheels/performance tires
Stiffer suspension
lager air-dam
They are still debating on when and if the should bring the wagon version...etc.
Now with the BMW, you will be dealing with a dealer in BC. What you get is the price that's 4% off the MRSP.
So, for example that you are getting a 330Ci with full options and let's say that the MRSP is $50000 on the car, then I can get you the car for 48000. You get 4% off basically.
So, when you go to any BMW dealers, you don't settle for any deal that gives you an less discount then 4%...
8000rpm
280hp
6spd gearbox
climate control (have the stupid manual thing)
2 tone interior
Brembo brakes
17' wheels/performance tires
Stiffer suspension
lager air-dam
They are still debating on when and if the should bring the wagon version...etc.
Now with the BMW, you will be dealing with a dealer in BC. What you get is the price that's 4% off the MRSP.
So, for example that you are getting a 330Ci with full options and let's say that the MRSP is $50000 on the car, then I can get you the car for 48000. You get 4% off basically.
So, when you go to any BMW dealers, you don't settle for any deal that gives you an less discount then 4%...
10-08-2001 | 08:32 AM
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have someone drive it down the road and u follow them or watch....
does it "Dog Track"
Cars that have bent frames drive the way dogs walk.... forward but it looks like the ass end istrying to go sideways... watch a dog walking once lol
does it "Dog Track"
Cars that have bent frames drive the way dogs walk.... forward but it looks like the ass end istrying to go sideways... watch a dog walking once lol
10-08-2001 | 01:06 PM
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Man you guys got me all worried now. I was just rear-ended a few weeks ago and now my car is in the body shop. At first, the body shop guy was acting like my best friend and now that he has my car, he acts like he is in the insurance company's pocket.
There was a small crease or indentation on my front bumber. Barely noticeable, the paint wasnt even scratched. He calls me up asking for $100 for feather sanding and primer, if I wanted the front bumper to look perfect. He claimed that there were rock chips that if he repainted without the feather sanding ($100) there would be tiny bubbles in the paint. Does this sound right?
My car seemed to drive fine after the accident. However, the impact was hard enough to deform my truck pan (the floor of the truck which the spare rests on). How can I ensure that they correctly checked the true-ness of my unibody (frame?)?
I also have rattle coming from the passenger side of my car ever since I got rear-ended. When I asked to body shop to look into it. He said that they cant address anything that isnt on the estimate and changed the subject several times. Does this seem right? This guy is acting a little shady.
There was a small crease or indentation on my front bumber. Barely noticeable, the paint wasnt even scratched. He calls me up asking for $100 for feather sanding and primer, if I wanted the front bumper to look perfect. He claimed that there were rock chips that if he repainted without the feather sanding ($100) there would be tiny bubbles in the paint. Does this sound right?
My car seemed to drive fine after the accident. However, the impact was hard enough to deform my truck pan (the floor of the truck which the spare rests on). How can I ensure that they correctly checked the true-ness of my unibody (frame?)?
I also have rattle coming from the passenger side of my car ever since I got rear-ended. When I asked to body shop to look into it. He said that they cant address anything that isnt on the estimate and changed the subject several times. Does this seem right? This guy is acting a little shady.
10-08-2001 | 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by Sleeper
Man you guys got me all worried now. I was just rear-ended a few weeks ago and now my car is in the body shop. At first, the body shop guy was acting like my best friend and now that he has my car, he acts like he is in the insurance company's pocket.
There was a small crease or indentation on my front bumber. Barely noticeable, the paint wasnt even scratched. He calls me up asking for $100 for feather sanding and primer, if I wanted the front bumper to look perfect. He claimed that there were rock chips that if he repainted without the feather sanding ($100) there would be tiny bubbles in the paint. Does this sound right?
My car seemed to drive fine after the accident. However, the impact was hard enough to deform my truck pan (the floor of the truck which the spare rests on). How can I ensure that they correctly checked the true-ness of my unibody (frame?)?
I also have rattle coming from the passenger side of my car ever since I got rear-ended. When I asked to body shop to look into it. He said that they cant address anything that isnt on the estimate and changed the subject several times. Does this seem right? This guy is acting a little shady.
Man you guys got me all worried now. I was just rear-ended a few weeks ago and now my car is in the body shop. At first, the body shop guy was acting like my best friend and now that he has my car, he acts like he is in the insurance company's pocket.
There was a small crease or indentation on my front bumber. Barely noticeable, the paint wasnt even scratched. He calls me up asking for $100 for feather sanding and primer, if I wanted the front bumper to look perfect. He claimed that there were rock chips that if he repainted without the feather sanding ($100) there would be tiny bubbles in the paint. Does this sound right?
My car seemed to drive fine after the accident. However, the impact was hard enough to deform my truck pan (the floor of the truck which the spare rests on). How can I ensure that they correctly checked the true-ness of my unibody (frame?)?
I also have rattle coming from the passenger side of my car ever since I got rear-ended. When I asked to body shop to look into it. He said that they cant address anything that isnt on the estimate and changed the subject several times. Does this seem right? This guy is acting a little shady.
That guy is an *******!!!
Sorry to hear about that, but if you ever started to have problem with your cars after an major accident... You can consider trading it in. I mean with all those time and energy that you have to spend dealing with those BS... It's not worth it...
10-08-2001 | 08:57 PM
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Well, I think u are fine if u didn't notice any problem other than rattles. My was a different case.. my car got hit badly on the rim.. so that might deformed my frame and chasis and stuff.. ... if only rear ended.. i don't think it screwed up ur suspension or those important parts u know.. hrmmm.. anyways.. u should feel happy drive a car.. not worries.. if u aren't happy witz ur ride now.. just trade it in and get a TYPE-S.... or was ur car already a type-s?
SL1200MK4! Yo bro, guess what.. Bimmer dream is doomed. haha.. it's just too expensive after the options. We can't afford it.. so.. now my dad gave me 2 choices..
1. C230 Coupe (that new Mercedes coupe)
2. TYPE - S 3.2 TL.
i added another one...
3. RSX - S... (but i'm not good at driving a stick... )
haa.. man..... I kinda like that MB coupe.. but does it have a HID light? Does RSX type S got HID lights? After my HID in TL, it feels like as if i can't see well with those normal yellowish lights~ haha
SL1200MK4! Yo bro, guess what.. Bimmer dream is doomed. haha.. it's just too expensive after the options. We can't afford it.. so.. now my dad gave me 2 choices..
1. C230 Coupe (that new Mercedes coupe)
2. TYPE - S 3.2 TL.
i added another one...
3. RSX - S... (but i'm not good at driving a stick... )
haa.. man..... I kinda like that MB coupe.. but does it have a HID light? Does RSX type S got HID lights? After my HID in TL, it feels like as if i can't see well with those normal yellowish lights~ haha
10-09-2001 | 12:22 AM
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Trust me, you DON'T want the RSX... here are the reason why
1. You don't want another Acura... Just try to remember how those service guys treated you and how helpless those people from Acura Canada were.
2. The Acura RSX doesn't have HID
3. The seatbelt on the RSX is kinda hard to grab, and that's not a good thing when you have a girls sitting next to you.
The C230 coupe is not a bad option. I personally would want more power for my next car, thought. The new C-class doesn't feel as strong as the other MB. Try to slam shut the door and you know what I mean, the huge moonroof is really cool thought...
If you wanna get the TL-S, I think it's not a bad car or a bad deal. It's just that I don't think you will ever wanna go through all those BS with Acura again will you?
Now, to be honest, the Bimmer is a bit pricy... Maybe you can consider the IS300 if you are into that type of cars. I wouldn't consider the WRX, becuase I know that the STi is coming, and the STi is the real thing...
1. You don't want another Acura... Just try to remember how those service guys treated you and how helpless those people from Acura Canada were.
2. The Acura RSX doesn't have HID
3. The seatbelt on the RSX is kinda hard to grab, and that's not a good thing when you have a girls sitting next to you.
The C230 coupe is not a bad option. I personally would want more power for my next car, thought. The new C-class doesn't feel as strong as the other MB. Try to slam shut the door and you know what I mean, the huge moonroof is really cool thought...
If you wanna get the TL-S, I think it's not a bad car or a bad deal. It's just that I don't think you will ever wanna go through all those BS with Acura again will you?
Now, to be honest, the Bimmer is a bit pricy... Maybe you can consider the IS300 if you are into that type of cars. I wouldn't consider the WRX, becuase I know that the STi is coming, and the STi is the real thing...
11-16-2001 | 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by hooked2TL
Riceboy,
The way your car is behaving is real scary....i'd carefully drive that thing back to the mechanics and have it looked at now and get to the bottom of this. Oh, since u mentioned possibly selling it, if i were a careful buyer and took this car out for a test drive and found this out, obviously there's no way i'd ever buy it. So think twice about trying to sell a car that runs dangerously, this could come back to haunt you big time, more than any sane person would want to be involved in.
Good luck
Riceboy,
The way your car is behaving is real scary....i'd carefully drive that thing back to the mechanics and have it looked at now and get to the bottom of this. Oh, since u mentioned possibly selling it, if i were a careful buyer and took this car out for a test drive and found this out, obviously there's no way i'd ever buy it. So think twice about trying to sell a car that runs dangerously, this could come back to haunt you big time, more than any sane person would want to be involved in.
Good luck
11-16-2001 | 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by riceboy_TL
Thank you all for fast replies.
Here is another problem. My old insurance company paid for my fix, and then terminated my insruance policy. So i had to look for a new insurance company.... and i got one just last week.
If the mechanics found out indeed it's some serious damage like chasis, control arms and stuff.. i'm sure it won't be covered under warrenty right? They'll know it's caused by accident.
How am I gonna ask the old insurance comany to cover that expense to fix it? Since those damages were caused in those accidents while i was with the old insurance company.. and they did not fully fix it. So, it should be covered by them right? Arrrr.. i can see it'll be a lengthy process again... lots of arguments over the phone and fax and explaination...........
So.. should I report this to my new insurance or old one? ^^
Thank you all for fast replies.
Here is another problem. My old insurance company paid for my fix, and then terminated my insruance policy. So i had to look for a new insurance company.... and i got one just last week.
If the mechanics found out indeed it's some serious damage like chasis, control arms and stuff.. i'm sure it won't be covered under warrenty right? They'll know it's caused by accident.
How am I gonna ask the old insurance comany to cover that expense to fix it? Since those damages were caused in those accidents while i was with the old insurance company.. and they did not fully fix it. So, it should be covered by them right? Arrrr.. i can see it'll be a lengthy process again... lots of arguments over the phone and fax and explaination...........
So.. should I report this to my new insurance or old one? ^^
As for the insurance companies, even though the original insurance company terminated you, they are still obligated to settle the claim. Your new company would not cover it since the loss occurred before they covered you.
11-16-2001 | 02:08 PM
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Riceboy_TL:
What line of work is your father in? Seems like a pretty lucrative business if he's buying you a new car after you demonstrated you can trash one (repeatedly). Sounds like a pretty generous guy. What's he do?
What line of work is your father in? Seems like a pretty lucrative business if he's buying you a new car after you demonstrated you can trash one (repeatedly). Sounds like a pretty generous guy. What's he do?
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