Road Rage

I just ordered a case of the 5w20 - I a going to run it i the Fall/Winter, then switch back to the 5w30 in the hot months.

OldGuy

Rage:

Are you caving in on your theories regarding the use of new grades of oil? Or is it because you trust redline so much? You once said you would not use 5W20 because in the past there have been engine problems associated with the introduction of a new grade of oil.

Road Rage

OG: Not caving - I will still use the 30 in the summer, the 20 in the winter. Plus Dave Solomon told me that with a G5 20w lube, you get better protection than a mineral oil 30 weight so that ids good enough for me. I am not staunch in my thinking if someone I respect makes a good case.

I would not use a 5w20 mineral oil in my car. That stands.

yee

Road Rage, OldGuy - mind if I intrude and ask a question? what is the difference between the types of engine oils? I mean, there are 5W20, 5W30, 10W50 and etc....what do they represent? thanks in advance.

RUF87

LOL

Now you guys have open that can of worms again.

RUF

AlaskaAl

Just changed over to Redline 5W20 this week. My local auto parts shop (Monument, Livermore CA) had to order the case. It came in the same afternoon! Helps to be an hour away from Redline in Benicia. BTW, the case cost me $75 plus sales tax. Is that comparable to elsewhere? I've been keeping good mileage records and saw a small decrease when my Acura dealer put in 5W30--they gave me the "we don't carry it, we've been told it's not necessary, the manual says what?" routine. When I have a couple of tanks thru the engine, I'll report any mileage improvement.

gohawks63

What makes redline better than say Quaker State or Mobile 1 (Synthetic)?

Mr Hyde

How many quarts came in that $75 case???

Hey RoadRage, why not run the 5w-20 all year long? Are you worried about breakdown in the heat or inadequate protection?
When I switch over I'll prob run it all year long.
Also when you go back to 5w-30 in teh summer I am assuming you meant synthetic as well.

edgalang

Dammit this thread is killing me. I'm an extremely high mileage driver (30k a year) and was planning on using nothing but 5w20 and 5w30 (when 5w20 is unavailable) non synthetic for economical purposes. I change oil like mad (once a month) and I was under the impression that as long as I change oil on a regular basis (every 3,750 miles) non synthetic would do just fine. Am I wrong to assume this? I plan to keep the car for at LEAST 5 years, so seeing the car go 200k would definitely be a possibility. Would going non synthetic for 5 years changing oil on a regular basis get me there?

Guest

Go back and read these....
http://www.acura-tl.com/forum/showth...threadid=19519

Me Too! My case cost 83.00 + Shipping here.

roadman

Edgealong,

By changing you're oil once a month and driving 30k a year, you are dumping that mineral based oil every 2500 miles. A switch to a full-Synthetic would net you a substantially longer change interval, besides all the inherant benefits that the full-synthetic oil would provide over the less expensive Dino oil.

AlaskaAl

Mr. Hyde,

12 quarts in the $75 case of Redline. My TL-S took exactly the specified 4.5 quarts with a filter change.

edgalang

I would go with Redlines 5w20, but after visiting the site, the recommended lightest weight for street cars is 5w30.


This is directly from the redline webpage about their SAE type oils


To reduce the chance of detonation, our race oils contain very few detergents and are not recommended for street use.

SAE 20 (5W20) - for drag racing, circle track qualifying and race engines designed for low-viscosity oils

roadman

For those of you in the CT area, I go to Jim @ Magna Racing (203) 332-0394

rockinTLS

Contact Redline directly via phone or email as I did. They do have a 5w20 for street use available that is not listed on their website.

Road Rage

One post for all the questions - much of this is old ground.

1) Edgalang - your quote from Red Line website refers to their racing 20 wt, which was until recently their only w0 weight. They not have a street formulation with the appropriate chemistry mentioned.

2) Hyde: I may also end up using RL 5w20 all year. I am going to run 5k with 5w20 and do an analysis - I already have a baseline from several 5w30 RL fills for comparison.
3) For the guy who drives alot - if this is highway mileage, you can easily go 5000 on mineral oil. 7500-12000 on a good synthetic
4) For the guy who hadn't planned to use synthetic - you probably do not need to unless you routinely drive the car at high rpms, high loads (towing), or in sustained high temps over 95 degrees.
5) Valvoline is a Group 4 lube, made from polyalphaolefins and some diesters - Red Line is made from polyol esters (essentially a plastic) and has never been a mineral oil (Mobil 1, Valvoline are synthesized from petroleum products (a hexane gas as I recall). Redline is made from corn.

G5's are recognized as the highest grade lubes for engines by the SAE
6) Re the gradings the lower number refers to the oil's viscosity at a standard low temperature - the lower the easier it flows in the winter and at startup). The higher number is measured at 212 degrees and represents the oils equivalent viscosity. Most people think oil thickens at high temps due to VI's, but actually they thin - the VI's just keep them from thinning too much. They are similar to compunds added to fan belts - which actually get thicken a bit at higher temps to avoid slippage.

Engineers refer to the SUS of an oil - its overall viscosity measured in Saybolt Universal Seconds - a really hokey old measurement where a standardized incline isused to see how far the oil flows over a standard unit of time. It would take someone named Saybolt to come up with something that hokey.

stualma

Is there any way to order the Redline 5W-20 oil online? seems like nobody around here knows what I am talking about...??? I see the redline oils for sale online, but not the 5W-20 for street use...

Stu

my2sense

we should do a groupbuy on cases of Redline oil...

evolaerok

They probably haven't updated the site yet, because I have a case of 5w-20 in the garage right now and it's street use. Look for a dealer near you and give them a call, they probably would have to do a special order like mind. I paid $88 total for the case. I'm going just use 5w-20 all year long, is this bad?

samkws

if 5w-20 is not designed for street use...then acura wouldn't put this into our TLs...

the conclusion is...5w-20 is fine...faster warmups and saves fuel!!

hey edgalang...changing oil once a month is reallie wasting your money...
if u drive 30k a year...
that means avg of 2500miles per month...

so that's less than 50% of the oil life...what a waste...and those are not environmental friendly too...

try to do it once in two months or a month and half...that saves big bucks and help the environment

Austin519

<yawn> this is all so boring...all of you nuts go grab some 5w20 for about $4.50 a qt...those that don't have it go to www.redlineoil.com and look up a place by you to get it. RR, I have to say man...I now get 4 mpg better than before...and my engine seems to feel more responsive and run smoother...I had a friend comment on that without even knowing I had changed over to RL w20 Syn...so well that just tells you...I'm up to 29 mpg with the AC on going 95 constantly on the highway...an 800 mile roadtrip is a great way to test it and I got there in under 2 tanks of gas!!!

Austin519

fender4

Another point of view it at;

http://www.amsoil.com/products/tso.html

I'm still searching for an independent analysis comparing Reline vrs. Amsoil .
Seems none to be found, anybody ever seen anything please post its site location.