Marlboro27s

imagine you have no budget for modding a 2nd gen TL. what is the most HP you can get out of the car on the stock engine? and what about on a motorswap? would you be able to smoke 2003 m3s?

@cUr@-TL

well.. if you keep the stock engine/internals, you can add:

- supercharger
- high-boost pulley for supercharger
- intake
- exhaust
- pulleys
- headers
- v-afc
- spacers (throttle body / intake manifold)
- type-s throttle body
- grounding kit
- voltage kit
- mugen thermostat + fan switch

After that you can get a 3.5L conversion... and nitrous oxyde.

On a stock TL-P engine, without the conversion and with all the mods listed above, 375hp would be pretty much the max imo...(i dont know if the internals will hold up, though...)

With the 3.5L conversion (and most likely forged internals), 450hp is possible imo...

JimmyTLS

NO BUDGET?? On a stock engine? I don't think that goes hand in hand. I know that all_motor from the CL boards did a turbo setup on a 2nd gen TL I think. I estimate somewhere in the 400hp range with plenty of room for improvement. NO BUDGET means NO LIMITATIONS.

@cUr@-TL

with time and money everything is possible... 500+ HP is possible if you have the dough... $$$$$

dnd2984

iTrader: (6)

Torque Steer.

bkzjimmy

way too much HP for a FWD car.

sbuswell

unlimited budget mean you could have a pro customize/fabricate a rear differential, 6 speed manual w/lightweight titanium flywheel, FI + nitrous, all bolt on's, easily 10 sec. car, will never happen because the work and money would be stupid for a TL platform, not to mention complete engine rehaul with absolutely the best internals, suspension, tranny, etc. To beat a 2003+ M3 for a tl-p I would say all bolt-on's and SC or 50-75 shot nitrous and if you can stay straight you would win, hands down.

subtledreamer

sounds like a good answer

i would just snap on a couple of bolt on's and be happy

Leviathan

Now, I'm no psychologist, but allow me to take a stab at the situation here.

Marlboro has a 2nd gen TL. His friend has an 03 M3. Marlboro (or more likely his parents) are loaded, and wants to know how he can beat his friend. Am I right?

And by the way. Techinically speaking, with an unlimited budget, you would just buy a really fast car. I'm a fan of the Porshe Carrera GT. But that's just me, I haven't done enough research on supercars to give a totally informed answer. But I love me some Carrera GT, and it's faster than an M3, so hey. I also like M5s. TANGENT. Anyway, I'm rambling, my apologies as I am dreadfully bored here and felt like posting.

shinybluecls

375hp with JUST those bolt ons? on a tl-P?? are you insane? an INTERCOOLED CL-S 6 spd dynos at rougly 360whp. with those mods on a tl-p you'd be looking at much less than 300whp. fyi the only CL so far that has dynoed in the 400hp range was allmotor's turbo cl...not even a built 3.5L supercharged has hit the 400hp range.

shinybluecls

stupid post edit time limit..anyways a stock e46 m3 puts out about 280rwhp...given that a supercharged cl-s auto puts out roughly 290whp, and that a cl/tl-p has about 15% less hp (im doing this the lazy way) i want to say that a supercharged tl-p would net about 240 whp. So add in a 50shot of nos and you'd have a chance of running even with a stock m3 from a roll...

@cUr@-TL

i was talkin about crank HP not WHP. the supercharger with HB pulley gives good power... and all the other mods are good for a few dozen horses too...so 375 CRANK HP imo is possible. I also said it was the MAX, so like if the engine is in really good shape, if the v-afc is fine tuned, etc etc... a "regular" car would probably score around 350hp.

@cUr@-TL

screw torque steer, convert the car to RWD

can you imagine a 500hp, RWD 6 speed CL/TL

optomos

Thats why they make the corvette Z06

MrAlex

loll, anyway tl with all bolt on (but no supercharger or nitrous or turbo) can do about 280hp i think.. i/h/e/p typeS tb, vafc, voltage+groundkit, spark plug, Oe spacers, thermostat+fanswitch etc

stiletto

After what mod does a TL stop being a TL??? Is a FWD to RWD converted TL still a TL?

Marlboro27s

haha actually i wish i had this kind of money. im only wondering because i saw a cardomain site where the guy had a typeS with supercharger and said he was the m3killer.

i just wanted to know the buildup. how about starting on a typeS instead of regular TLP. since people are saying that a fuly built TLP can run with the m3, then a typeS with extra 35 hp could smoke the m3 right?

Marlboro27s

BTW im talking straight aways here, so take torque steer and rwd out of the picture

Marlboro27s

and what about that 3.5 swap? whats the max HP for this....and lets just pretend that your a huge TL lover and you really had an unlimited budget. you already have a porsche carrera GT in the garage, but you wanna pimp out that TL (your first car before you got real rich)

whats the max. upgrading internals, transmissions, swap the tls to 6 spd? lets go crazy here because i dont think its been discussed that much

MrAlex

Ill be 3.5Liter conversion, all forged, manual 6 speed + custom turbo

fsttyms1

In theory the limit is is as high as your budget. you could make a 1 run 1000+ hp monster im sure or a 4-500 hp daily driver with the right parts. at any cost none of them are really worth it.

bx-tls

That is true, money talk.
But in reality, i personally think a tl can do 350 w/o much difficulty with the right configuration maybe 400 and still be drivable. The weight of the car and the torque steer would limit it drivablity. But if you just want speed and don't care how it drive, i can picture them doing 500-600 horses, but what's the point of all that power if you can't drive it.

@cUr@-TL

a TL will always be a TL

Shaqs2002TLS

I have to agree here. This thread doesn't make any sense. If money is no object then just straight up BUY a faster car. In fact buy the FASTEST road car in the WORLD. Sometimes you could only do so much with a TL.

FuzzyNutz

Screw it,... fine,.. if you wan't an all out mod for a straightaway,.. put an alchohol burning drag engine in it. Or hell,.. put the TL shell on an alcohol dragster. That'll do the trick. Watch your buddy come up along side of you at a light in his M3 and then step on the gas and blow his windows out.

But of course that doesn't make sense. Oh,.. was this idea supposed to be grounded in reality? Sorry,.. must be in the wrong thread.

blk2001tlon19s

There's a lot you can do to your car. Just have to have the funds and patience for it. Good luck on your choices!!

bkzjimmy

the new saleen!!!

blk2001tlon19s

.........i would say 2006 E55 and mod it since they have parts for it. Runs like 12.4 stock and is a family car(4 doors) lol

sbuswell

supra TT w/top of the line internals and turbo upgrades pushing 40psi+ 1000whp. those fuckers can be insanely fast when modded!

Love my 99

I like my TL just the way she is...she's slow but looks perty Besides, you can't get the hotties to take notice of you when you zoom past them at 200MPH

etxxz

okay fine...we all agree that 400hp is very possible on a SC J32 on stock internals...but after 10minutes of driving around...no, while dynotunning....the tranny will blow up. has anyone touched base on this point yet?