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I'm sorry guys and gals, I don't agree with the styling of the Altima. I went and test drove one the other day with my cousin who is looking for a new car. While we did drive the 2.5, I must say that car looks and feels like a P.O.S. I can't believe anyone would say that car looks better than our TL's, stock or dropped with wheels. The interior looks like crap to me and the outside isn't very impressive either. JMNSHO (just my not so humble opinion). Sorry if I offended anyone.
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Originally posted by zigzagzig
horsepower is only a number. there are many more factors other than horsepower such as weight, balance, etc... a 5-speed altima was rated in many magazines doing 5.8 0-60. TL-S is about 6.5 an altima is a good bit lighter than the TL-S. The manual tranny 3.5 altima would almost definitely beat the TL-S by a good amount. not to say that the 0-60 times are the factor by which to judge the race.
horsepower is only a number. there are many more factors other than horsepower such as weight, balance, etc... a 5-speed altima was rated in many magazines doing 5.8 0-60. TL-S is about 6.5 an altima is a good bit lighter than the TL-S. The manual tranny 3.5 altima would almost definitely beat the TL-S by a good amount. not to say that the 0-60 times are the factor by which to judge the race.
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I still am not about to give props to an Altima and all of it's speed. I've been anecdotally on the street way too many times with an Altima, and I've never lost. It's never even been close to even a tie.
I've driven my friend's Altima and I have to say, you really have to abuse the absolutely shi+ out of it to get it moving, and even try to get the numbers that C&D did, and I'm telling you, the car won't do it. Secondly, every Altima I have ridden in and driven (rentals and two separate test drives with friends) were dogs, and none of them have one ounce of similarity. They all seem abhorently different, but different in a way that felt much less quick than my TL-S before it was ever modded...
I cannot say that about a Maxima at all. They are tried and true--even the new model seems consistent with the performance bench that was been set.
Again, I'm not saying a TL-S will smoke or even beat a manual Altima (but I'm saying you are insane if you think a TL-S isn't at least on par with an auto Altima), but my god, all my experiences with them have led me to believe that the C&D guys were smoking the same crackpipe during the Altima test as they did on the supercharged Comptech CL-S test...
And though I never do this, I disagree with you PeterUbers...Assuming fortunate had an extra 425 pounds in weight between people and gear, even though that adds up to only about 12 to 15% of the weight of the car, that makes a big difference in acceleration...
I've driven my friend's Altima and I have to say, you really have to abuse the absolutely shi+ out of it to get it moving, and even try to get the numbers that C&D did, and I'm telling you, the car won't do it. Secondly, every Altima I have ridden in and driven (rentals and two separate test drives with friends) were dogs, and none of them have one ounce of similarity. They all seem abhorently different, but different in a way that felt much less quick than my TL-S before it was ever modded...
I cannot say that about a Maxima at all. They are tried and true--even the new model seems consistent with the performance bench that was been set.
Again, I'm not saying a TL-S will smoke or even beat a manual Altima (but I'm saying you are insane if you think a TL-S isn't at least on par with an auto Altima), but my god, all my experiences with them have led me to believe that the C&D guys were smoking the same crackpipe during the Altima test as they did on the supercharged Comptech CL-S test...
And though I never do this, I disagree with you PeterUbers...Assuming fortunate had an extra 425 pounds in weight between people and gear, even though that adds up to only about 12 to 15% of the weight of the car, that makes a big difference in acceleration...
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I agree about the weight. But now that I think about it, the one major thing I think I did wrong was shifting to fourth and not to third when I was at 80 mph. I've done it before and I know there's a big difference in acceleration.
BTW, r10, I've never seen Clerks or Mallrats. I definitely need to rent those one day.
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BTW, r10, I've never seen Clerks or Mallrats. I definitely need to rent those one day.
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Originally posted by r10apple
I still am not about to give props to an Altima and all of it's speed. I've been anecdotally on the street way too many times with an Altima, and I've never lost. It's never even been close to even a tie.
I've driven my friend's Altima and I have to say, you really have to abuse the absolutely shi+ out of it to get it moving, and even try to get the numbers that C&D did, and I'm telling you, the car won't do it. Secondly, every Altima I have ridden in and driven (rentals and two separate test drives with friends) were dogs, and none of them have one ounce of similarity. They all seem abhorently different, but different in a way that felt much less quick than my TL-S before it was ever modded...
I cannot say that about a Maxima at all. They are tried and true--even the new model seems consistent with the performance bench that was been set.
Again, I'm not saying a TL-S will smoke or even beat a manual Altima (but I'm saying you are insane if you think a TL-S isn't at least on par with an auto Altima), but my god, all my experiences with them have led me to believe that the C&D guys were smoking the same crackpipe during the Altima test as they did on the supercharged Comptech CL-S test...
And though I never do this, I disagree with you PeterUbers...Assuming fortunate had an extra 425 pounds in weight between people and gear, even though that adds up to only about 12 to 15% of the weight of the car, that makes a big difference in acceleration...
I still am not about to give props to an Altima and all of it's speed. I've been anecdotally on the street way too many times with an Altima, and I've never lost. It's never even been close to even a tie.
I've driven my friend's Altima and I have to say, you really have to abuse the absolutely shi+ out of it to get it moving, and even try to get the numbers that C&D did, and I'm telling you, the car won't do it. Secondly, every Altima I have ridden in and driven (rentals and two separate test drives with friends) were dogs, and none of them have one ounce of similarity. They all seem abhorently different, but different in a way that felt much less quick than my TL-S before it was ever modded...
I cannot say that about a Maxima at all. They are tried and true--even the new model seems consistent with the performance bench that was been set.
Again, I'm not saying a TL-S will smoke or even beat a manual Altima (but I'm saying you are insane if you think a TL-S isn't at least on par with an auto Altima), but my god, all my experiences with them have led me to believe that the C&D guys were smoking the same crackpipe during the Altima test as they did on the supercharged Comptech CL-S test...
And though I never do this, I disagree with you PeterUbers...Assuming fortunate had an extra 425 pounds in weight between people and gear, even though that adds up to only about 12 to 15% of the weight of the car, that makes a big difference in acceleration...
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Nissan Maxima/Altima look like knock-off GS's to me.
Nissan Maxima/Altima look like knock-off GS's to me.
As for the straightline performance comparisons in this thread:
CLS 6MT=Max 6sp=Alt 5sp. Period.
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Well I must say that previously owning a '96 Maxima SE 5sp and running neck to neck with those '98 mustang GT's and looking at their faces when they were not able to pull ahead I will say that you have to be carefull with what you mess with. I said this before power to weight ratio is a major problem for a lot of cars I proved that time and time again with my Maxima and now I'm looking for ways to improve my '03 TL-S power to weight ratio so I can do the same again but this time with heavier players, use your brain not your guts.
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Originally posted by VQ35DE
You must be referring to the 2K4 Max.
As for the straightline performance comparisons in this thread:
CLS 6MT=Max 6sp=Alt 5sp. Period.
You must be referring to the 2K4 Max.
As for the straightline performance comparisons in this thread:
CLS 6MT=Max 6sp=Alt 5sp. Period.
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Originally posted by SergeyM
Altima doing 1/4 in 14.1? Where this info comes from? The best time I ever seen was 14.7.
Altima doing 1/4 in 14.1? Where this info comes from? The best time I ever seen was 14.7.
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Wow, fortunate...how did I miss that...If you were at 80 and dropped it into 4th, then no wonder you were hammered...
Wrong gear...third is good to 115 or so and IMHO, is the strongest gear in the car (that and the top of second)...
Oh, and not to rub it in, but Clerks is better thanChasing Amy or Dogma!
Wrong gear...third is good to 115 or so and IMHO, is the strongest gear in the car (that and the top of second)...
Oh, and not to rub it in, but Clerks is better thanChasing Amy or Dogma!
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Originally posted by r10apple
Wow, fortunate...how did I miss that...If you were at 80 and dropped it into 4th, then no wonder you were hammered...
Wrong gear...third is good to 115 or so and IMHO, is the strongest gear in the car (that and the top of second)...
Oh, and not to rub it in, but Clerks is better thanChasing Amy or Dogma!
Wow, fortunate...how did I miss that...If you were at 80 and dropped it into 4th, then no wonder you were hammered...
Wrong gear...third is good to 115 or so and IMHO, is the strongest gear in the car (that and the top of second)...
Oh, and not to rub it in, but Clerks is better thanChasing Amy or Dogma!
As for Clerks, I'm gonna check it out this weekend. BTW, are we at least in agreement that "Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back" is the worst of the series?
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Originally posted by r10apple
Wow, fortunate...how did I miss that...If you were at 80 and dropped it into 4th, then no wonder you were hammered...
Wrong gear...third is good to 115 or so and IMHO, is the strongest gear in the car (that and the top of second)...
Oh, and not to rub it in, but Clerks is better thanChasing Amy or Dogma!
Wow, fortunate...how did I miss that...If you were at 80 and dropped it into 4th, then no wonder you were hammered...
Wrong gear...third is good to 115 or so and IMHO, is the strongest gear in the car (that and the top of second)...
Oh, and not to rub it in, but Clerks is better thanChasing Amy or Dogma!
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sc354: I'd get beat in your scenario just sitting there trying to convert my speed from kilometers to miles per hour...
Yeah, the last movie is pretty bad, though it has it's funny spots. I've got a friend who acts just like Chaka--err, Chris Rock so the movie does have a special place in our hearts!
Yeah, the last movie is pretty bad, though it has it's funny spots. I've got a friend who acts just like Chaka--err, Chris Rock so the movie does have a special place in our hearts!
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Look at the results for the car above it, the Outlander...how can the 0-60 be at 11.8 seconds, and the quarter mile is 18.6 seconds? something fishy is going on here...doesn't sound too legit.
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Originally posted by sc354
Look at the results for the car above it, the Outlander...how can the 0-60 be at 11.8 seconds, and the quarter mile is 18.6 seconds? something fishy is going on here...doesn't sound too legit.
Look at the results for the car above it, the Outlander...how can the 0-60 be at 11.8 seconds, and the quarter mile is 18.6 seconds? something fishy is going on here...doesn't sound too legit.
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Many cars can run 1/4 mile in 14.5-14/7 range. Acura CLS/6 for example and many others. My car can run 14.3 all day but 14.1 is a completely different story. I don't even dream of getting 14.1. And no stinking Altima can do it. Getting 0.4 sec of your 1/4 mile time usually requires 3-5K investment (short of using NOS).
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Originally posted by SergeyM
Many cars can run 1/4 mile in 14.5-14/7 range. Acura CLS/6 for example and many others. My car can run 14.3 all day but 14.1 is a completely different story. I don't even dream of getting 14.1. And no stinking Altima can do it. Getting 0.4 sec of your 1/4 mile time usually requires 3-5K investment (short of using NOS).
Many cars can run 1/4 mile in 14.5-14/7 range. Acura CLS/6 for example and many others. My car can run 14.3 all day but 14.1 is a completely different story. I don't even dream of getting 14.1. And no stinking Altima can do it. Getting 0.4 sec of your 1/4 mile time usually requires 3-5K investment (short of using NOS).
hondata is only 500 canadian.
also you can go turbo for less that 3-5K and knock up to 3-4 seconds off your time.
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Originally posted by ecstasy_civic
thats absolutley not true, when i got my hondata and tuned it when it was stock i picked up 11whp and 7tq. which equalled out to a .5 difference in my 1320.
hondata is only 500 canadian.
also you can go turbo for less that 3-5K and knock up to 3-4 seconds off your time.
thats absolutley not true, when i got my hondata and tuned it when it was stock i picked up 11whp and 7tq. which equalled out to a .5 difference in my 1320.
hondata is only 500 canadian.
also you can go turbo for less that 3-5K and knock up to 3-4 seconds off your time.
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If you have a 16 or 17 second car (whatever), 7 to 10whp makes a lot of difference-especially when it's a lighter car to begin with. As cars get faster, knocking .5 seconds of your time is exponentially increased when talking about power, weight, etc...
Simply put, it would be relatively easy to go from a 16.0 to a 15.5 but to go from say 14.0 to 13.5 is much more difficult...I'm not a physics major, so don't come back and ask me to do the math. We've got enough engineers and the like on this site to do that!
Simply put, it would be relatively easy to go from a 16.0 to a 15.5 but to go from say 14.0 to 13.5 is much more difficult...I'm not a physics major, so don't come back and ask me to do the math. We've got enough engineers and the like on this site to do that!
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Originally posted by r10apple
If you have a 16 or 17 second car (whatever), 7 to 10whp makes a lot of difference-especially when it's a lighter car to begin with. As cars get faster, knocking .5 seconds of your time is exponentially increased when talking about power, weight, etc...
Simply put, it would be relatively easy to go from a 16.0 to a 15.5 but to go from say 14.0 to 13.5 is much more difficult...I'm not a physics major, so don't come back and ask me to do the math. We've got enough engineers and the like on this site to do that!
If you have a 16 or 17 second car (whatever), 7 to 10whp makes a lot of difference-especially when it's a lighter car to begin with. As cars get faster, knocking .5 seconds of your time is exponentially increased when talking about power, weight, etc...
Simply put, it would be relatively easy to go from a 16.0 to a 15.5 but to go from say 14.0 to 13.5 is much more difficult...I'm not a physics major, so don't come back and ask me to do the math. We've got enough engineers and the like on this site to do that!
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Yup... and assuming my modded TL-S runs mid 14's, simply adding an a'pexi v-afc and tuning it to get me 10-15whp isn't now gonna make me run a 14.0...
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Originally posted by r10apple
Yup... and assuming my modded TL-S runs mid 14's, simply adding an a'pexi v-afc and tuning it to get me 10-15whp isn't now gonna make me run a 14.0...
Yup... and assuming my modded TL-S runs mid 14's, simply adding an a'pexi v-afc and tuning it to get me 10-15whp isn't now gonna make me run a 14.0...
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I was making a point, not advertising of getting a v-afc!!!
Besides, tuning it on a dyno would end up costing me almost a grand between product, custom install and 2 hours of dyno tuning...Waste of money--and it would be useless if I get the sc!
Besides, tuning it on a dyno would end up costing me almost a grand between product, custom install and 2 hours of dyno tuning...Waste of money--and it would be useless if I get the sc!
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Originally posted by r10apple
I was making a point, not advertising of getting a v-afc!!!
Besides, tuning it on a dyno would end up costing me almost a grand between product, custom install and 2 hours of dyno tuning...Waste of money--and it would be useless if I get the sc!
I was making a point, not advertising of getting a v-afc!!!
Besides, tuning it on a dyno would end up costing me almost a grand between product, custom install and 2 hours of dyno tuning...Waste of money--and it would be useless if I get the sc!
if you get the SC go hondata, ive had nothing but good luck with mine.
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Originally posted by zigzagzig
horsepower is only a number. there are many more factors other than horsepower such as weight, balance, etc... a 5-speed altima was rated in many magazines doing 5.8 0-60. TL-S is about 6.5 an altima is a good bit lighter than the TL-S. The manual tranny 3.5 altima would almost definitely beat the TL-S by a good amount. not to say that the 0-60 times are the factor by which to judge the race.
horsepower is only a number. there are many more factors other than horsepower such as weight, balance, etc... a 5-speed altima was rated in many magazines doing 5.8 0-60. TL-S is about 6.5 an altima is a good bit lighter than the TL-S. The manual tranny 3.5 altima would almost definitely beat the TL-S by a good amount. not to say that the 0-60 times are the factor by which to judge the race.
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Hi guys, I'm an 03 Alti SE 5spd owner who found the board by link. Remarkably, this thread (and the posters) have been pretty respectful, classy, and for the most part accurate in some of their assessments. If you can suffer through the ramblings of an Altima owner, here are my thoughts:
Exterior
Stylistically, I think the TL-S is much better looking than the Altima. I like the low "sleek" look, especially from the back. My eye always finds them when I see them on the street. (The same is true for the CL-S: whenever I see one I stare). I think both are better looking than the Altima.
Interior
One of my co-workers has an 02 Acura TL with leather and the works. We have a weekly lunch routine going on every Wednesday (Double-Dave's Pizza and their $3.99 lunch buffet special, for you Texans :-)). I can say the Acura TL interior is very nice, but I have to be honest when I say I didn't find it an order-of-magnitude better than MY Altima, which for reference is an 03 with leather, sunroof, and fake wood trim. I would rate it a 6 out of 10, and I'd rate my Altima a 4 out of 10. One of the areas where I'd say the Altima falls down noticably is on sound insolation. The Altima's sound insolation sucks. This coupled with the relatively spacious interior (and associated echo effect) will have you reaching for your stereo knob. Road noise comes through MUCH too much on the car, but I suspect that is indeed a design decision made to keep the weight down. The Acura, in fitting with being a luxury car, was much quietier, but I have never been in a TL-S.
Engine and performance
I can't really speak about the TL-S performance, as I've never raced one, nor have I been in one (I'd like to though; pm me if you're in Austin). I can tell you about the Altima performance, though. I'll start off with a negative, the engine isn't as smooth as the engine was in my 97 Max. It's especially course between 3K-4K RPM. Above 4K RPMS, it feels identical to my 97 max, that is to say, mirror smooth. Coincidentally, that's when the variable timing and induction stuff switches over. I have my personal, unsubstantiated suspicion that the lack of smoothness below 4k rpms is a function of some of the parameter choices Nissan made with their variable timing and induction. I think Honda has a few more years of experience with this than Nissan. I also think that Honda's philosophy is to make more power at the higher RPM range (sacrificing low-end torque), and Nissan tends to be a bit more torque-focused.
I've seen various quotes in this thread about HP and Torque in the Altima vs. the TL-S. One thing to note is a stock 5spd Altima's torque is much closer to 260 ft/lbs at the crank than 240 ft/lbs. Stock 5spd Altimas dyno around 205-208hp and 223-227 ft/lbs torque. So they are underrated in the torque department, and intentionally handicapped in the HP department by an extremely restrictive intake and exhaust. You REALLY feel that torque, much more so than what I had in my Max, and in all honesty, it feels about like my 1999 Mustang Cobra felt.
On the HP side, it feels like the Altima rev-limiter (which is about 7K) ends the party a bit too soon, because the car is still pulling quite strongly when it rudely interjects.
Dimensions
Interior-wise, the Altima feels larger than the TL. Weight wise, there is anywhere from a 200-400 weight differential between the two; I'm not really sure why this is deemed as insignificant as some would think. My source is www.edmunds.com; feel free to validate this at your leisure.
Pricing
My Altima has every conceivable option except for traction control, which isn't available with 5spd. That includes leather, ABS, moonroof, side-impact air bags and side curtain, xenon headlights, bose stereo, auto-dimming mirror, and a bunch of other knick-knacks. I paid $26,200 (without tax), list on the car was about $29k. I saw references to $31k; and put me on record as saying that there's no possible way to get the MSRP price of an Altima to 31K unless the dealer installed a bunch of crap. Fiscally I wanted a G35 Coupe, but nuptial pressure prevented it.
Performance
As I said earlier, I've never been in a TL-S nor raced one (the ones I've seen in Austin have all been driven by late-20 something, early 30 something women who thus far haven't looked the least bit interested in racing). I will take an opportunity to quote and correct SergeyM:
The fastest V6 Altima on the Altima boards has a posted timeslip of 13.6. He has an intake, racepipe, and exhaust mods. Let me also qualify this by saying he'd removed his passenger seat and spare tire for that run, though he recently ran a 13.8 in high heat and humidity with full interior. There is at least one other V6 Altima that I know of who ran 13.9 (Ewood).
Conclusions[list=1][*]They don't really compete in the same marketspace. A much more evenly matched comparison is an 04 Max SE and a TL-S, or a G35 and a TL-S[*]The Acura is a more luxurious vehicle, definitely more upmarket[*]As a general rule, the Altima is probably faster, based on power and torque to weight ratios[*]Enjoy your rides; neither one of the cars are the fastest or most luxurious rides on the road[/list=1]
Exterior
Stylistically, I think the TL-S is much better looking than the Altima. I like the low "sleek" look, especially from the back. My eye always finds them when I see them on the street. (The same is true for the CL-S: whenever I see one I stare). I think both are better looking than the Altima.
Interior
One of my co-workers has an 02 Acura TL with leather and the works. We have a weekly lunch routine going on every Wednesday (Double-Dave's Pizza and their $3.99 lunch buffet special, for you Texans :-)). I can say the Acura TL interior is very nice, but I have to be honest when I say I didn't find it an order-of-magnitude better than MY Altima, which for reference is an 03 with leather, sunroof, and fake wood trim. I would rate it a 6 out of 10, and I'd rate my Altima a 4 out of 10. One of the areas where I'd say the Altima falls down noticably is on sound insolation. The Altima's sound insolation sucks. This coupled with the relatively spacious interior (and associated echo effect) will have you reaching for your stereo knob. Road noise comes through MUCH too much on the car, but I suspect that is indeed a design decision made to keep the weight down. The Acura, in fitting with being a luxury car, was much quietier, but I have never been in a TL-S.
Engine and performance
I can't really speak about the TL-S performance, as I've never raced one, nor have I been in one (I'd like to though; pm me if you're in Austin). I can tell you about the Altima performance, though. I'll start off with a negative, the engine isn't as smooth as the engine was in my 97 Max. It's especially course between 3K-4K RPM. Above 4K RPMS, it feels identical to my 97 max, that is to say, mirror smooth. Coincidentally, that's when the variable timing and induction stuff switches over. I have my personal, unsubstantiated suspicion that the lack of smoothness below 4k rpms is a function of some of the parameter choices Nissan made with their variable timing and induction. I think Honda has a few more years of experience with this than Nissan. I also think that Honda's philosophy is to make more power at the higher RPM range (sacrificing low-end torque), and Nissan tends to be a bit more torque-focused.
I've seen various quotes in this thread about HP and Torque in the Altima vs. the TL-S. One thing to note is a stock 5spd Altima's torque is much closer to 260 ft/lbs at the crank than 240 ft/lbs. Stock 5spd Altimas dyno around 205-208hp and 223-227 ft/lbs torque. So they are underrated in the torque department, and intentionally handicapped in the HP department by an extremely restrictive intake and exhaust. You REALLY feel that torque, much more so than what I had in my Max, and in all honesty, it feels about like my 1999 Mustang Cobra felt.
On the HP side, it feels like the Altima rev-limiter (which is about 7K) ends the party a bit too soon, because the car is still pulling quite strongly when it rudely interjects.
Dimensions
Interior-wise, the Altima feels larger than the TL. Weight wise, there is anywhere from a 200-400 weight differential between the two; I'm not really sure why this is deemed as insignificant as some would think. My source is www.edmunds.com; feel free to validate this at your leisure.
Pricing
My Altima has every conceivable option except for traction control, which isn't available with 5spd. That includes leather, ABS, moonroof, side-impact air bags and side curtain, xenon headlights, bose stereo, auto-dimming mirror, and a bunch of other knick-knacks. I paid $26,200 (without tax), list on the car was about $29k. I saw references to $31k; and put me on record as saying that there's no possible way to get the MSRP price of an Altima to 31K unless the dealer installed a bunch of crap. Fiscally I wanted a G35 Coupe, but nuptial pressure prevented it.
Performance
As I said earlier, I've never been in a TL-S nor raced one (the ones I've seen in Austin have all been driven by late-20 something, early 30 something women who thus far haven't looked the least bit interested in racing). I will take an opportunity to quote and correct SergeyM:
Originally posted by SergeyM
My car can run 14.3 all day but 14.1 is a completely different story. I don't even dream of getting 14.1. And no stinking Altima can do it. Getting 0.4 sec of your 1/4 mile time usually requires 3-5K investment (short of using NOS).
My car can run 14.3 all day but 14.1 is a completely different story. I don't even dream of getting 14.1. And no stinking Altima can do it. Getting 0.4 sec of your 1/4 mile time usually requires 3-5K investment (short of using NOS).
Conclusions[list=1][*]They don't really compete in the same marketspace. A much more evenly matched comparison is an 04 Max SE and a TL-S, or a G35 and a TL-S[*]The Acura is a more luxurious vehicle, definitely more upmarket[*]As a general rule, the Altima is probably faster, based on power and torque to weight ratios[*]Enjoy your rides; neither one of the cars are the fastest or most luxurious rides on the road[/list=1]
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Basically I chose the altima over the TL because the altima was offered in a manual. on our boards the fastest 3.5 is mid 13's with really cheap mods. and a 14.3 off the showroom floor.
do you want more luxury? go with the TL
do you want cheap thrills? go with the altima.
do you want more luxury? go with the TL
do you want cheap thrills? go with the altima.
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If you choose the Altima over the TLS you choose it because it has awesome exterior styling, and the TLS is more than likely out of your price range. If you choose the TLS its because of the semi-stylish looks, nice horespower for the buck, nice overall bang for the buck and its consistent reliabilty record. But I have to say you've got to drive the Type S. Aquineas was right, the Altima is not even in the same class as the TLS. We all know that, but if you look at the board you'll see us comparing our cars to the Lincoln LS, Maxima, G35, IS, Accord V6, etc. We compare on any car that is worth our time and gas racing. It's just nice to know where you stand at the light lined up with whatever. A realistic comparison would be the Altima V6 with mods and the Accord V6 with mods.
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who would pay that that much for a nissan, (except a 350Z, or a Skyline). the interior looks like crap. it had a little kick to it. the TL can easily take it. i raced a 2001 maxima in my 99TL with intake and wider tires, and guess wut..... i won. if u turn off TCS and use SS, car flys.
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Nice review, Aquineas...Nice accurate reporting of the times at the track, too. I've trolled that forum and it is about as fair as this one...13.8-14.0 with the mods mentioned on that car is pretty accurate...I think he has some very lightweight wheels as well if I'm not mistaken...
Modded as such, the Altima 5sp is quicker in the 1/4 than a modded TL-S (sans the sc of course)...
Modded as such, the Altima 5sp is quicker in the 1/4 than a modded TL-S (sans the sc of course)...
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Originally posted by Ianbiz3
who would pay that that much for a nissan, (except a 350Z, or a Skyline). the interior looks like crap. it had a little kick to it. the TL can easily take it. i raced a 2001 maxima in my 99TL with intake and wider tires, and guess wut..... i won. if u turn off TCS and use SS, car flys.
who would pay that that much for a nissan, (except a 350Z, or a Skyline). the interior looks like crap. it had a little kick to it. the TL can easily take it. i raced a 2001 maxima in my 99TL with intake and wider tires, and guess wut..... i won. if u turn off TCS and use SS, car flys.
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Originally posted by Aquineas
You sir, did not demonstrate enough objectivity, forethought, or factual content in your post to be taken any more seriously than a beer-brave sportsbar patron on an NFL Sunday..
Cheers!
You sir, did not demonstrate enough objectivity, forethought, or factual content in your post to be taken any more seriously than a beer-brave sportsbar patron on an NFL Sunday..
Cheers!